Passing Mastermind to Tactical Maestro – The Xabi Alonso Era Begins

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  1. Xourtois

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    Sep 25, 2024

    If Ancelotti fans have problem with Xabi getting preconceived praise for implementing tactics which was not there last year they should go to Brazil thread and praise Ancelotti for tactical revolution he is doing there.

    This is Xabi thread , of course we will praise Xabi for bringing a much needed tactical and training blueprint to Madrid.

    If Ancelotti widows think Xabi being distinct and implementing his tactics and philosophy is a threat to Ancelotti legacy then nothing can help you guys.

    You guys are in for a tough period.
     
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  2. Raul-7

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    I feel some them are secretly hoping for Xabi to fall into the same trap that Pellegrini, Camacho, Benitez, Lopetegui, etc. fell into. They want to gloat and shove it in our faces about how great Zidane/Carlo were and how no one will come close to their legacy.
     
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  3. 4x4s

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    We are all Real Madrid fans Mr Liverpool.

    You're projecting some wild insecurity here. Check your own doorstep I'd Say.

    When most of us registered Carlo wasn't even a thought.
     
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  4. 4x4s

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    Bild reports that Reinier, who returned from loan, was snubbed in training and completely ignored.
     
  5. 4x4s

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    We want the team to win. You are the same guy that had an emotional episode because Barca lost brother, you need to consider that when you point with one finger, the other four are pointing at yourself.
     
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  6. .halamadrid2.

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    Yeah both the first team and Castilla have snubbed him. Think he'll train with Castilla though until he finds a new team. His contract is up in 2026
     
  7. Galatico

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    It was her side that brought up Carlo first in this thread. They’re obsessed.
     
  8. arcane

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    Never ceases to amaze me how a nuanced thing could turn into a black and white discussion because of feelings :ROFLMAO:.

    The thing about Xabi, he was getting praise for his tactical enguinity at Leverkusen much more than his man management and adaptability.
     
  9. 4x4s

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    He was also heavily criticized last season but apparently there's tariffs on that so we don't bring that over.
     
  10. hector_br

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    Feb 13, 2007
    So it's ok to criticize Xabi but not ok to criticize Carlo
     
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  11. Umar

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    This is just your belief, Mr Random Guy on a website. Not everyone else subscribes to it.

    I could quite easily argue that Mourinho and Guardiola are similar even their approaches to football are different. That’s because I’m not stuck with a rigid dichotomy of thought where everything that’s not black has to automatically be white.
     
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  12. Raul-7

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    Correction; I was pissed off at the referee corruption. The same corruption that led Argentina to the WC22.

    I'm not sorry for speaking out against corruption. It's rampant in all sectors of life and people who commit it used to be shamed, whereas now they are brazen/bold and it's disgusting.
     
  13. Xourtois

    Xourtois Member

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    Sep 25, 2024
    Nope . It is the logical explanation.

    Of course you would argue that Guardiola and Mourinho are similar , it is easy to argue based on belief after eliminating every standard of scale.

    Nice try selectively eliminating the part about professional coach Xabi himself identifying in positional bracket , that puts a hole in your no scale no standard methodology of grouping coaches.
     
  14. 4x4s

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    lol
     
  15. 4x4s

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    Xabi is nowhere near close Carlo's status in the game. It's how we don't criticize Cristiano Ronaldo and Rodrygo on the same level. Because at this moment, on a Thursday in the middle of June 2025, that's the distance between them.
     
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  16. Raul-7

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    That's naive. If it was based on legacy alone then Cristiano and Messi should still be playing at top European clubs and Mourinho should be coaching a top 4 team. But obviously, both players and coaches decline overtime and Carlo is not immune.
     
  17. Umar

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    Thank you for confirming that I can safely disregard your opinion on this topic.

    https://youtube.com/shorts/eH7yEglOSzs?si=SqujGQpQLAa3mnte
     
  18. 4x4s

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    In order to decline you need to ascend first.
     
  19. Raul-7

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    Give Xabi the opportunity before throwing him under the bus. Be patient and encouraging.
     
  20. 4x4s

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    I've been on this place supporting this club for over 20 years, you too. The notion that:

    As if i'm going to suffer if the club does well, a club i've followed since before i had internet access is absolutely knobheaded.

    Think of the perverse logic of telling somebody that's spent/wasted thousands of hours watching this club (without including the basketball team which i almost could say i follow more) that he'll have a hard time dealing with success.

    Logic seems to be an incredibly hard concept for some.
     
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  21. laundromat

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    Jul 20, 2014
    I am a Carlo widower and I want Xabi to do well. When he was fired the first time, it took Carlo 2.0 massively overachieving for that sacking to have been the more or less forgotten.

    Xabi having big shoes to fill really shouldn’t be a controversial sentiment.

    On the other hand I saw a lot of hyperbole surrounding Carlo leading up and after the eventual crash out. Which is fine, I guess, but it’s hard to know what people actually think about the situation.

    That there are people that think fans want the team to do poorly to protect Carlo’s legacy is some of the most obvious projection I’ve seen on these boards. There was quite literally a poster openly rooting against the team, and you just know by the way people spoke about Carlo that they weren’t alone.
     
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  22. arcane

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    So is Perez and the board head and shoulders above any top management in modern football. By that logic, they should also be safe from criticism.
     
  23. 4x4s

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    No, not really, i fully disagree with that.
     
  24. arcane

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    So which club and management has had more success than Real Madrid under Perez’s tenure?
     
  25. Xourtois

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    Sep 25, 2024
    Same as your opinion ,the moment you wanted to eliminate any scale and objective factual based conversation and started doing belief based statements to remove any objective assessments it is hard to take you seriously.
     

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