Passing Mastermind to Tactical Maestro – The Xabi Alonso Era Begins

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  1. boeder

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  2. Lyra

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    lmao no. That wasn’t agreement, that was me translating for your one track brain. :D
    But hey congrats if winning semantics trophy helps you sleep well.
     
  3. undertow

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    Nov 22, 2020
    I wish I was born in the 2000s! :D Why not argue my points....

    Do you think Xabi Alonso has the personality and communication skills to manage Real madrid? Do you understand the difference between managing Levekusen and the biggest sports team in the world?

    It sounds like you are the GEN Z football fan if you fetishise "hipster managers" and their "football philosphies". Thinking they can come here and "coach the team". It is laughable. Look at what is happening. You want us to have an Amorim on our hands?

    Do you know the difference between a manager and a coach?

    Also in regards to the bias...of course Xabi has his supporters because he is a nice guy and club legend. He has his fans in the press too because he is a spanish world cup winner (do you listen to larguero or cope or anything dude?). More importantly though is people are not able to admit they were wrong in jerking it hard for xabi for the last year and now realising it is not working. It's ok you still have value as a person Hendrix, you simply got this one wrong.
     
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  4. undertow

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    And yes the reality is Xabi Alonso is "our Ruben Amorim". Listen to the press conferences. Identical.

    We had the spanish press (larguero & cope) and some fans celebrating a loss in the Bernabeu because we didnt get completely thrashed! It's insane. Man utd Amorim disease. Celebrating failure because we have a "football philopher" in charge. Let him cook bro!

    A Man City team who conceeded 4 goals to Fulham (5-4) and 2 goals to Leeds (3-2) and lost to Leverkusen (0-2) in recent matches.

    Florentino...DO IT
     
  5. Hendrix22

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    Ok so which are the clubs that a coach should have managed first before hes allowed to coach Madrid. And how many trophies should he have before in these clubs before he is allowed.

    Come on, lets narrow the list. Since winning the Bundesliga with a different team than Bayern is not enough, being a champion of pretty much everything in his career is not enough, being a disciple of Guardiola, Mourinho, Ancelotti, Benitez etc is also not enough, having intelligence as his defining feature in his life in football is not enough, and knowing the club inside out is also not enough.

    What are the criteria, please enlighten us, since these are clearly irrelevant and this isnt "the right coach".

    Newsflash, nobody can be the right coach if you boot him at the slightest inconvinience.

    Yes Xabi Alonso obviously has the personality and communication skills to manage Real Madrid. Few have a personality or communication skills as good as he does, and we know this because we know who Xabi Alonso is since two decades ago.

    And stuff your psycho babble about my value as a person up your ass bud. For the record, I thought its too early for Xabi too this summer. But I would have to be a damn idiot to go around claiming he doesn't have the personality, charisma, respect, presence and authority. If he has anything thats these things. Maybe hes not a good politician to navigate this snakes nest of a club (very likely), or his ideas are not that good (less likely but possible), but coming up with this crap is only possibly if you dont know who Xabi Alonso is from the last two decades. Hes a living legend of midfielders, hes not Alvaro Arbeloa ffs.
     
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  6. Hendrix22

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    Yes Florentino do it, resign already please.

    fyi, what would make us look like Man Utd is not similarity between the press conferences of Amorim and Xabi (lol), but a revolving door of managers because idiots up the hierarchy panic every time there is a bump in the road (because of fans who figured out how that Xabi Alonso doesnt have enough charisma for Real Madrid) and then restart the entire process.
     
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  7. undertow

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    Ok cool so we agree. He is not the right man for the job. Why the endlesss paragraphs about his intelligence and legend status? You said it yourself, He is not the right man for the job. He is too green. I suspect it is your anti-florentino bias that is swaying you in this one and making you irrational. You are going against your actual rational thoughts. Bizzare.

    Also, maybe you think personality and charisma means wearing a nice fitted suit and having a nice haricut like Xabi? Although I suspect you know what I am referring to in the context of a manager, a boss, a leader when I talk about personality. In Spain we call it "tener personalidad". Having COJONES. Testicular fortitude. He is not respected as a manager. He is meek. On top of this he has no chispa, no spark, his words are robotic AI slop in press conferences. It's impossible for anyone to be empowered by his words. He is not leading anyone into battle.
     
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  8. undertow

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    Nov 22, 2020
    :D Yeah like it never worked for Florentino in the past? How did Zidane win those 3 champion league titles? I guess you would have kept Rafa Benitez mid season...

    Anyway, two wins in the last 8 matches (!). 180 million spent on the squad. We are worse than last season. We could be out of the league title in the next two games before christmas.

    In life you have to make decisions. It's a chronicle of a death foretold. It's over for him. He is not ready for a club of this magnitude. I do think he will be succesfull elsewhere though (at a smaller club).
     
  9. Hendrix22

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    Because there is no "right man for the job". You don't fire coach after coach until you find the right man for the job. There is no perfect coach. Xabi is close enough for that and from there you let him develop into that. Others that might have more experience are lacking in other aspects. You let the man do his job instead of sabotaging him every step of the way. Hes more than good enough. Nobody steals a title from Bayern while being a shit coach.

    And saying suits and haircuts make Xabi's charisma exposes someone who clearly doesn't really know who Xabi is from his entire career. Xabi is one of the greatest midfielders in history. You think you become that without personality and testicular fortitude? The same Xabi who took the ball from Cristiano Ronaldo and said Im talking this penalty, and Ronaldo just nodded his head?

    Honestly trigger happy Madrid fans are the worst. Youre no different than that guy who wants to sell the entire team. What do you want? A Mourinhoesque dictator that will rain fire on star players? Or a chummy uncle like Ancelotti? What inspiring words did Ancelotti say in press conferences and Xabi should too? Why should Xabi inspire anyone through press conferences, or lead anyone into battles, what is this Saving Private Ryan?

    You don't even know what you want. Just fire whoever because he didnt win every match. Pathetic really. You don't know what you have. When Xabi goes to Liverpool and wins Premier leagues fans like you will still be looking for the right manager every three months.


    Xabi Alonso is NOT Rafa Benitez nor Lopetegiu, hes a legend of the game, a legend of Madrid, one of the most talented coaches in the world, and if 2 wins in 8 matches without looking at anything else but him regarding that means more than the above, then there is nothing to say except you deserve this as a fan.

    Again. Tell me the criteria, and tell me who fulfills them, instead of this vague bs about "tener personalidad".
     
  10. Hendrix22

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    For all these pretentious critics who say Xabi isn't the right coach but keep refusing to say who is the right coach and why that coach is the right coach:


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  11. boeder

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    #2736 boeder, Dec 12, 2025
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    The team got booed vs City and Vini in particular was whistled against on 3 seperate occasions at least.

    This is the real fear for Perez and JAS because they know they're next.

    Their solution is simple in essence. Make the coach the sacrificial lamb, deflect blame from themselves and the party they sided with over the last 2 months that has failed for the second season running, absorb the anger of the fans, return the keys of power to the players and of course maintain the circus as is.

    What could go wrong?

    “The only thing we learn from history is that we learn nothing from history”
     
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  12. Seoul Villan

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    What I find telling is the so called leaders of the team; Vinny, Jude Fede haven’t come out on post game interviews saying “hey, I’ve been shit tonight, first things first I’ve got to do better, this isn’t just a coach or team situation, I’ve got to hold myself accountable”
     
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  13. boeder

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  14. boeder

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    Romain Molina (via YouTube): “The headquarters of Real Madrid's management has become what can be considered a complaints department, where Bellingham's father comes to complain one time, then Endrick's mother another, Rodrygo's father and Vinícius Junior's agents..And the problem is that the club, through its management, allows this and discusses with them and talks with them about these matters."
     
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  15. Raul-7

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    It's a childcare, not a football club. :ROFLMAO:
     
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  16. Galatico

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  17. undertow

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    The way you speak about Xabi Alonso, it's clear you are incable of accepting any criticism about him. Like I said before, you have a massive bias that makes you irrational. Do you think every great footballer makes a great manager? You need special skills. Tell me what he has done to make you think this is going to work...
    - is it his handling of egos in the dressing room?
    - is it his handling of la cantera and young players? (worse than carlo)
    - is it his in-game substitutions?
    - is it his tactics?
    - Do you know our first eleven?
    - Do you know what our idea of play is? what's the plan?

    It is none of these things because you just like "the idea of Xabi" and you will defend him till the death but you have nothing to base it on.
     
  18. boeder

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    Well duh.

    Molina claiming the list includes Eric 10 Haag and Laurent Blanc.
     
  19. undertow

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    Nov 22, 2020
    KLOPP but I think even Solari and Arbeloa will do a better job than Xabi till the end of the season. He has made massive mistakes (vinicius and valverde) and he can't come back from it. He is done. No authority.

    You probably complained when Zidane took over from Rafa Benitez.

    If we are 10 points behind come xmas do you still want to keep Xabi? when is enough?
     
  20. robertocarlos3

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    What exactly Alonso done wrong by fede? As for vini, I guess you want a coach that will allow vini to continue and play like crap and when we lose all titles you'll blame it on other players and the new coach, just not vini.
     
  21. robertocarlos3

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    Not that I expect 4x4 with his knowledge to find us a new coach, but he is just trolling for the sake of trolling when he writes about how bad Alonso is.
     
  22. undertow

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    Nov 22, 2020
    Brilliant. Any time a manager (who is beloved) is underperforming the old excuse card comes out ""Player Power".

    Manager is absolved of any responsibility.

    We have a better squad this year and yet 2 wins out of 8 games. This is a results business.
     
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  23. undertow

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    Apparently Fede doesn't have a good relationship with Xabi. For Carlo, Fede used to run himself into the ground and play leftback without complainng. Fede was never questioned. Always gave it his all. The most die hard player.

    Suddenly Xabi arrives and Fede isn't even running back or pressing. He doesn't believe in Xabi.

    Vini is playing like absolute crap and needs to be questioned but literally every player is playing like crap. When that happens it usually points to the manager.

    Problem is Xabi will not bench or sub Vini now after the barcelona antics. He lost that and managed it terribly. He has no authority now. He looks like a novice.
     
  24. saadomar

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    Mar 21, 2013
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    Apparently La Sexta is known to have sources in the club who shared that Xabi will likely be axed if Alaves beats Real Madrid. A draw might buy him more time.

    https://www.managingmadrid.com/101639/xabi-alonso-real-madrid-2025-future-rumors

    I'm of the thinking that the board making Xabi the fall guy will fix nothing. The only way this gets fixed is if there is wholesale changes up top and in this squad structure. Firing Xabi will fix nothing.
     
  25. undertow

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    Nov 22, 2020
    Yeah but he has shown nothing up till now. We don't even have a clear formation or style of play. He is too scared to bench the big stars or even sub them in a game. Cantera nothing. No development. mbappe is saving his ass.

    I think even a draw against Alaves gets him the sack. That will be 6 points behind. If you are a business haemorrhaging money, you need to make a decision. We just spent 180 million on squad ffs
     

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