Passing Mastermind to Tactical Maestro – The Xabi Alonso Era Begins

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  1. Bear Crotch

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    Jan 2, 2008
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    Whether X is the guy or not. Who's next to be thrown into the maw of managing Madrid?
     
  2. Galatico

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    We're probably gonna run through a couple more before we find our guy.
     
  3. 4x4s

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    Somebody with experience and a lot of success to build upon.

    This job is not a science project. 1,5 years is the average a coach lasts doing this.
     
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  4. 4x4s

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    I mean, Barca didn't just wake up and have Flick drop into their lap. They did have Xavi before. Then you have some real funny hires before that as well. Pretty much every club goes through a couple coaches until a long term answer presents itself.

    Having a guy on the job simply because you don't want to go through the hiring process again just doesn't work for me.
     
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  5. boeder

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    Feb 27, 2013
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    Big difference between hiring the "wrong" guy and hiring someone but castrating him at the first sign of trouble then unleashing your media dogs on him..

    What we're doing is shameful but we call it "high standards"..
     
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  6. 4x4s

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    Shouldn't have spent the entire summer promising the moon and the stars only to get stuffed into a locker by a player that's not even 25 yet.
     
  7. boeder

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    Feb 27, 2013
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    Yeah he should have told the fans at the biggest club in the world that he'll see what he can do, no commitments.

    Would that have made our situation any less awful?

    LMFAO every incoming coach at every top club makes promises in his first presser.

    All summer is your standard straw man.
     
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  8. 4x4s

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    Spent every CWC presser talking ball and now it's all about hanging on. Before I promise a dish I'd rather see if I have the ingredients.

    We can judge the players and the coach separately. If it takes him less than 6 months to crumble he's just not the guy.

    Honestly, why is the possibility of him simply not being that good at what he does so impossible for some?
     
  9. boeder

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    #2684 boeder, Dec 12, 2025
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    Ok, and? You get the last laugh now?

    Again, if he hadn't made any promises, would our reality be a any different?

    No sane coach will put his career on the line and come to RM without assurances or guarantees from Perez/JAS over authority and control. When sh!t Jr. hit the fan, Xabi was told to go f himself and to do as he's told. It's happened with multiple coaches before.

    None of this excuses Xabi's own mistakes and errors but it diverged our season drastically.
     
  10. 4x4s

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    We say that stuff every other week, what player will sign here, oh what coach will sign here.

    A lot of them. Not all of them. But that has never been the case.

    It shouldn't take a couple months for things to get this ugly.
     
  11. boeder

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    Feb 27, 2013
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    I'm with you, the club should make a final assessment on it's "sporting project" and the coach's "promises" 4 months in. It's the sensible thing to do.

    We have a handicapped coach who isn't allowed to sub off certain players and is being threatened with the sack everyday via the club's media trumpets.

    Fire him already. Bring on the next minion and hope for the best like 2004-2006. Good times.

    Or beg Zidane, who resigned over the same sh!t, to take over, convincing him that third time's a charm and Perez/JAS have learned their lesson lol.

    Simple.
     
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  12. arcane

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    Did Xabi overpromise? Or did the media and fans overhype him?

    I can't take any incoming Real Madrid manager seriously if he just has the attitude of "I'll do my best but I can't promise any trophies". Not with the names on the squad.

    Right now I'm holding the upper management more accountable than anyone else.
     
  13. madridismo

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    Yeah, Xabi may or may not be the one - but like Balague said in that Florentino Perez quote, Real Madrid is 90% players and 10% manager. Well then shit maybe you should have thought of that before constructing a team whose captains include a guy who sounds like chicken little (sorry Fede) and the local hothead.

    Perhaps it worked when your squad has professionals like Ronaldo, Ramos, Modric, Nacho etc. but we have gone from that to a squad of underperforming primadonnas, mental midgets, and NPCs real quick. Xabi surely has a part in that downfall, but I would put this even more on top management screwing up, and not enough young players stepping up to be leaders. Fede, Jude, Vini, Rodrygo, Tchouameni, or Camavinga after several years at the club.
     
  14. 4x4s

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    There's a lot of nostalgia clouding this kind of view, let's not forget the crisis meeting BBQs and everything else that happened. We're also considerably younger than we used to be. I think the squad has it's difficulties, but it's also on the people that thought they'd introduce big changes overnight and everybody would be super appreciative.

    Reminds me a bit of Klinsmann at Bayern who thought he'd overhault the entire club and ended up changing so much that they eventually got rid of him and everything he touched.

    Also if we keep it honest, if that's not Xabi but somebody like an Iraola, he's already on the street.
     
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  15. arcane

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    Wasnt that the point of hanging on the vets like Luka and Toni for a bit? So that they could rub off the professional culture to the next generation? That project pretty much failed the moment the new manager didn't do what they where used to. And Carlo was known to be arguably the least training intense manager there is.

    So we could already assume that any manager that came next would be a shock to their system.
     
  16. 4x4s

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    Toni was amongst the players being the most appreciative of the change when Benitez got fired, he wasn't shy about how much better things got under Zidane. It's not as if the former squad didn't lean against coaches that didn't play the way they wanted to.
     
  17. W8W8

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    So draw it is if Xabi wants to keep his job.
     
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  18. Nathanial Essex

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    As bad as we've been this season, I just don't feel Xabi is anywhere close to losing his job. Think this is all media nonsense.
     
  19. 4x4s

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    I disagree. Just way too much noise for it to be made up right now.
     
  20. J-Mezzy

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    Oct 14, 2013
    Orlando
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    So he is obviously in the hot seat, eho do you guys think is in line?
     
  21. Hendrix22

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    But its Xabi.

    Its honestly insane how we got one of the most talented coaches out there, huge name with a pedigree that is second to none, classy, intelligent, energetic, decorated Madridista that has respect from everyone in the football world, and we are actually considering firing him in December because he made a player mad for substituting him and/or because he didnt go ballistic on him for getting mad.

    Again, its Xabi Alonso were talking about here. And we are going to lose him because players, fans and the club are nitpicking over every single thing instead of letting him do his job. Its just absolute insanity that this is even a topic. We are about to lose an incredible asset and were about to become a joke, but its ok because "he talked football too much in the summer". Insane.
     
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  22. Nathanial Essex

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    Also people seem forget we had an absolutely awful season last season. The football alone was beyond atrocious, let alone the lack of trophies. This stuff doesn't turn around immediately, especially as it's more looking like a personnel problem than a coaching one.
     
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  23. boeder

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    Feb 27, 2013
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    I think the players should choose the next coach.

    They should also negotiate their requirements with potential candidates e.g. no subbing/bench time, extra days off, no complex tactics, minimal film time and full access to Valdebebas for family, friends and agents.

    The guys have earned it, they are proven winners.
     
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  24. arcane

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    Aug 18, 2005
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    Maybe they should just nominate Vini as the next manager? Since he likes talk to the refs and opposition players anyways.

    At least he can't complain being benched or being subbed. Its probably better for locker room morale too.
     
  25. Khan

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    Mar 16, 2000
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    Wait, wait wait.

    Your theory is that THAT team, with THAT coach, while LOSING a game was "cautious? "

    Ya know, the team that puts their entire team in the attacking half at Inter in minute 90, WHILE WINNING?

    Ya know, the coach that has the offside trap at the midfield stripe in minute 90, WHILE WINNING?

    Dude, the words "Barca" and "cautious" do not go together with THAT manager.


    But hey, you do you.
     

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