N nobody is saying Alonso didn't made any mistakes during his Madrid stint, but between vini trying to pull a coup and the board not providing Alonso with any new players with impact; I'd say Alonso's fault is maybe 15%-20%. The rest is vini and the board. Look at our defense ffs; no sane club at the real Madrid level will start the year with this squad.
We signed every single player Alonso requested other than Zubimendi. Carreras and Huijsen were his requests, we also paid extra to have Trent in early. Enough excuses.
I have seen nothing from Xabi that doesn't scream that he got this job 1-2 steps too early. This is not a bad team, arguably it's much better than what we had last season but the football is grim.
The obvious choice is to give him more time and, in my opinion, more authority. How the board should give the coach more authority: They should back him - either publicly or directly in front of the players - making it clear that the coach has full control over team selection. Players must understand that tantrums or disruptive behavior will have consequences and won’t benefit their future in the squad.
On paper the team is better. I would argue that it is the same as the squad from the second half of last season with Mbappe's form being the most deciding factor. Else, in the past several games we don't have any real RB, lost Franco on the right side, lost most of our CBs. Currently, our only improvement is Alvaro Carreras. But in the midfield we even regressed as Modric at 39 was still having bigger impact than all of our bright talents in midfield. The only players who are playing at the level required are: Thibaut, Tchou, Mbappe and maybe Carreras. Militao was looking to join the group but he is out again...
He needs to earn it too, and honestly, it looks more like he rolls the dice than standing on firm principles to me. @boeder highlighted how often he changed shape and layout during the same match. We can criticize the players, but the coach has to be judged by the same standards. Just not good enough so far.
He changed the shape and shifted players around too frequently because he doesn't have the courage to take the short route and remove two of the worst players on the pitch: Jr. and Bellingham. Nothing is worse than seeing constant underperformers live in the comfort of playing the full 90 no matter what. The higher-ups hung Xabi out to dry after the gerbil threw a tirade; they made their stance very clear on who they're supporting. Nonetheless, Xabi has to grow a pair or this will be a chronic issue that every subsequent coach will suffer from. And for those who know our history will know how that ends..
If he can't help himself he doesn't really deserve grace. I don't see anything different in Madrid than last season in Leverkusen. Maybe everybody got a bit fooled by the title, my trust is very low at the moment. A lot of the negatives from the Leverkusen stint are flaring up right now.
Perhaps not but things will get far more confrontational and potentially toxic under Arbeloa, Raul, or Klopp. The club doesn't have any realistic options with the monster they've created and we've seen this movie before.
This team isn't irredeemable and Xabi was called out by multiple Leverkusen players for a lack of communication. Again, why is he immune from criticism? What are the players supposed to execute from Xabi's body of work as a coach so far, last minute comebacks, multiple on a string? Because that's what gave him the Bundesliga title. We played against City like total underdogs. I disliked so much about it.
It may well be but last season for you and some others it was all about our rubbish coach, nothing to do with the players, he didn't know anything other than to just send the team out there to " run around"and only played his "friends", Eder has won multiple trophies with us, so has Fede, Vin, Rodry, Rudiger, Ascencio, Ceballos, Brahim, Arda, Dani, Ferland, Alaba, Jude, Tbo, Tchou, Cama, Fran, Lunin, nearly every single player, all proven winners, how come all of a sudden it's just the players "mentality" and "effort" that is a problem which needs "fixing"?
Several key individuals are, I'm afraid. Alonso has been and is being critisized plenty and deservedly so. Again, players shouldn't be privy to justifications on tactics or substitutions. The coach-player hierarchy doesn't work like that especially with wannabe superstars. Most coaches won't smoke with their teams during training, let their agents roam like coachroaches in Valdebebas, conduce grandfatherly love and warmth or send them good morning WhatsApp messages. Lol nearly all of our decade long success in Europe is built on last minute comebacks. Or is it only cool when RM do it? Also, we certainly didn't play like underdogs in the first 35’ mins or so. We were pretty much commanding the game from the get go and City didn't show up until Courtois made a bad judgment error and Rudiger went full retard. Despite being second tier for most of the 2H, the result could have been very different if Jr. and Bellingham didn't miss several easy chances. Small details matter in the UCL.
Pretty much. When you're an idiot that has zero people skills and you walk into a team and take out arguably the best player like you have some agenda against him, then you deserve everything that follows. When I read that Jude has an issue with him, I knew it was all over for him and that he's pretty much lost the locker room. You just don't come back from that. It's a matter of time. What an idiot.
Pointless to keep him on, the damage has been done. Clearly the leading players don't like him. If your players don't like you, its all over.
Nah man, don't put it on the players. It was Xabi's negative shit approach that doomed the season. You don't walk into the team and start benching their best player for whatever agenda you have against him or wanna be has daddy and teach him manners. Vinicious is still young and in his prime and has done and won so much. And clearly he has players in his side who have sweat and won with him. Put the blame on his stupidity.
The difference is Ancelotti has proper people skills. The players loved him. Even Toni Kroos who played under so many great managers said he was his favourite. Because Ancelotti never blamed his players and knew how to treat them properly. When you play for someone like that, you play your best for them.
I don't like Vini's attitude sometimes, but people here have the memory of a Goldfish and ungrateful for all he has done and won for the team. He is easily in the top 5 best players in the world right now.
No way he is top 5 players in the world, if he is, then this has to be the darkest era of football ever
Yeah if Vini is top 5 then the sport is in dire straits. It's starving for quality. He's simply not a top player anymore. Mbappe came in, Vini's performances dipped and we had a changing of the guard.
Yeah we're ungrateful pricks. Lol Doesn't even break the top 30 atm. Get off your nostalgia choo-choo train.
Actually you are. You love them when they're winning and if https://telegrafi.com/en/amp/The-st...-that-Xabi-Alonso-has-already-lost-2674379898 Keep your head in the sand.
Actually you are. Very fair weathered. When they win, you love them and they're the best. When they lose, throw them over the cliff! You're the worst kind of fans. It wasn't long ago that many of you were screaming he was robbed of the Balon D'OR win. I say that being objective and regardless that he acts like a bitch sometimes. He is in the top 5 best talent in the world. The good thing is hr is still very much in his prime and when his form improves I'll be here to see your.posts sucking his weiner again.