Passing Mastermind to Tactical Maestro – The Xabi Alonso Era Begins

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  1. 4x4s

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    Nov 26, 2006
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    If the club would have wanted to side with the coach they would have fined the player. In fact Alonso spoke about having a structured fine list with the team captains prior to the season for arriving too late, being a pain in the ass etc.

    When it came time to do just that, the club sided with the player, so I'm kind of leaning towards the idea that the club doesn't really trust Xabi all that much.

    I don't say what I would want to do, I'm trying to predict what we will do based on what is going on right now. A lot of the harsh media treatment also comes by proxy of the club. Both Zidane and Carlo were victims of press availability harassment by request of the club.
     
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  2. Aensensen

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    Jun 10, 2011
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    Come on now. Asking water not to be wet...
     
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  3. boeder

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    Feb 27, 2013
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    I think that's pretty evident.
     
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  4. Aensensen

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    You make a good point. Whatever happened after that Classico outburst must've involved a top-down pressure that Xabi has no chance of fighting against. There's also media people part-timing as players' PR correction agents when necessary, as if things couldn't be any worse.

    But, Xabi knew all this before he even joined. I mean, he's been with the club from 2009-2014, and then coached the castilla U-14s for a year. He knows how things work in this club, but he still accepted the job, so there must've been some guarantees made. Who went back on their word so quickly and why is the question. I mean, to me it's blatantly obvious these players are a massive part of the problem, and it's the club's fault for creating an environment for this annoying nonsense. Bringing Xabi was supposed to mean he's going to be given a lot of freedom in how he deals with "the problem" the club created, so why does it seem like the club is going back on their word and reinforcing the very problem they realized they had?
     
  5. Bear Crotch

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    I just can't wait to see what happens next at this point.

    What does the club think they're going to get out of this realistically? Do they think they're going to get another Benitez/Zidane or Lope/Zidane to Carlo situation? They can't honestly think that, can they?
     
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  6. AppleBob86

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    Jan 11, 2018
    The fallback on Zidane and Carlo has gone.

    They wouldn’t have it in them to do what is needed. Clear the desk and stop playing players based on name.
     
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  7. Hendrix22

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    1. Everybody does that. You have to build up some excitement as a new coach. Its part of installing confidence in your abilities among the players and fans. You dont want to look weak at that point.

    2. Thats just rotation. Again perfectly normal.

    3. Again the change he was brought to implement, in place of the buddy/cool uncle relationshup from before.

    4. This is the only problem, but until recently there was a clear upward trajectory, so the consensus is that this is on some kind of players mutiny.

    If there is anything that could be a problem is that Xabi's tactical acumen is simply not as great as initially perceived. Maybe the players dont understand him, his ideas are too vague or he's not designing training in a way that this can be learned. It has happened before, look at Ten Hag. This is the only thing I worry about but there werent any reports indicating this in Leverkusen.
     
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  8. AppleBob86

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    Jan 11, 2018


    This cannot be serious.
     
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  9. Raul-7

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    Aug 17, 2006
    It's scary how little logic they use when it comes to these big decisions; there will always be players the coach doesn't see eye-to-eye with and vice versa. It happens all the time; it's about building a cohesive, unified team.

    That's why we did sooo well with Benzema and Ronaldo; they were able to unify the team so the likes of Vini Jr., James, Isco, etc. would shut up and put in the effort.

    Now we have a group who think that because they won the UCL 2 times either know better than the coach or simply don't care anymore [want to party all the time].
     
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  10. Galatico

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    Aug 15, 2019
    We're officially in the fake superstar era of Real Madrid. Spoiled brats who think they're above it all, and better then they actually are. Divas FC.
     
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  11. 4x4s

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    #2511 4x4s, Dec 9, 2025
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    None of our former coaches did it. Not a single one. I said back then that was overpromising and oversharing. Nobody cares about your 25 hour workday on the field and how you're crushing the analytics. This techbro coaching stuff simply won't work in Madrid. The coach is in the backround, not the star. People don't go to the Bernabeu at extortionate prices to watch your 3-5-2 formation, this film poster has the star names on it, not the director.

    The same "rotation" that got the squad upset at Leverkusen and created problems for himself:



    And he failed at it. In public, resulting in basically dropping what he had set out to do and "becoming flexible".

    It's not, see above.

    There were plenty, but as long as the team was winning, everything was ok. Just like it was with us. See above.

    I mentioned all of those before this negative slide began and was being called a hater and whatever. Maybe reading what's gong on in Germany prepared me for it. My father was totally against hiring Alonso for those same reasons. Didn't trust him one bit.
     
  12. Galatico

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    Aug 15, 2019
    Xabi said he wanted to make us proud, and that when we watched the games we would say "That's my Madrid."

    This has not happened. I can't wait to turn the game off every time I tune in.
     
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  13. 4x4s

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    Which is such bullshit if you think about it because the fanbase was extremely proud when Capello won the title playing absolutely terrible football.

    What usually unites the fanbase is a clear goal and a dedicated and united team. Go around every sport, and you see that the teams that have a strong fan following have a clear personality the fanbase can relate to.
     
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  14. Raul-7

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    No they weren't; they hated Capello. But they did thank him for breaking the 3 season slump; there's a reason he only lasted 1 season despite winning.

    We may not want to play tiki-taka, but the fans do expect an attacking/exciting game everytime the team steps onto the pitch. None of that catenaccio stuff that Capello, Hector Cuper, Mourinho, etc. preached and lived by.
     
  15. 4x4s

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    The Bernabeu was louder than any concert Florentino could ever put on.The fanbase showed up and was proud of the team when they were fighting to win the title. Nowadays we're winning and the Bernabeu starts clearing out by the 80th minute.
     
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  16. dooda

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    We love winning more than we love playing well.
     
  17. HZinho

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    Catenaccio stuff that Mourinho preached and lived by? I don't know what you are referring to, but Mourinho's first two seasons consistently gave us the most exciting of games and I looked forward to seeing the team play every damn week. In fact, the 2012 team is probably one of my favourites and I still can't believe we didn't win the CL that season (granted, that was partly due to Mourinho's instructions in that Bayern game). So don't let the Clasico's against arguably the most dominant and suffocating team of all time fool you. Those were exceptions, far from the rule.

    Now whether I like Mourinho and the culture he brought is a different question. But Catenaccio? Far from it!
     
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  18. Minduchio

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    Capelos that "come back season" with Reyes scoring in last game against Mallorca was exciting at least, we showed fighting spirit, which is for me more important than to play beatiful. As long as you show passion fro the club and play your heart out on the field, i am happy.
     
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  19. saadomar

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    Lol things are so bad there isn't even a thread up on matchday against man city. I guess nobody is looking forward to the team getting steamrolled today. It sucks that today might be Xabi's last match at the helm. I sincerely hope it isn't.
     
  20. fierro

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    With Xabi you get both, a coach that goes undefeated for whole seasons and some say was the actual genius behind the rise of tiki-taka in Spain.


    If he doesn't do both those things, he will walk away because he's got self respect and principals.
     
  21. arcane

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    Aug 18, 2005
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    Which is now sadly, neither.
     
  22. arcane

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    Aug 18, 2005
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    I think everyone's expecting a beatdown of epic proportions.

    I actually think there's a good chance the guys are up for the game since its Pep and City..but if we get plastered, i wouldn't be surprised either.
     
  23. pramod

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  24. robertocarlos3

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    if this is another 4:0 lost I don't expect Alonso to coach in the next game.
     
  25. 4x4s

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    I think the date for him to stay or leave is between the 20th of December (Sevilla game) and the 4th of January.

    The break in between will either be there for a new coach to get settled, or Xabi to wind down.
     
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