Passing Mastermind to Tactical Maestro – The Xabi Alonso Era Begins

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  1. 4x4s

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    Alonso has done practically everything wrong since he joined us. We need to be as critical of him as we are of the players, and he hasn't put a single foot on the right spot.

    People were just trying to convice themselves about the kind of football we're playing whenever we'd have a performance that looked comfortable enough.
     
  2. Lyra

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    Apr 29, 2013
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  3. 4x4s

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    I'd rather believe in Santa Claus than in whatever Mou says. If that offer is available, he abandons everything for it.
     
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  4. Seoul Villan

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    Feb 16, 2011
    If we do sack Xabi (which I don’t agree with). Jose would be perfect to bring in as an interim basis; he’s got nothing to lose, can completely honest and help assess who needs to go and and who should stay.

    He knows this isn’t going to last and would help do the dirty work.
     
  5. Raul-7

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    Aug 17, 2006
    We literally won 13 out of 14 of our first matches; people saw with their own eyes. The team was playing with hunger, determination, cohesiveness, and we were winning decisively. After that they began letting off the gas.

    It's definitely a player problem; we can't always take the easy way out and blame the coach.
     
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  6. Aensensen

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    "Real Madrid’s emphatic win against Valencia on Saturday marked their 10th consecutive victory in La Liga at the Santiago Bernabéu, their longest home league winning streak since 2013."

    This was just a month ago.

    It's perfectly understandable to be unhappy with the results and hold Alonso responsible for his part, but to be completely dismissive of anything he's done is just not a well balanced position in my opinion.

    I think this article (below) is mostly speculative on the author's part, with a mix of some insider information, but I would be surprised if it's not at least mostly accurate.

    [ABC.es] Xabi Alonso feels isolated, and his players are taking advantage of his vulnerability. He has recently become a political figure, attempting to win over the dressing room by offering concessions: shorter video sessions, untouchable stars, more days off, fewer tactical obligation...

    https://www.abc.es/deportes/real-madrid/vestuario-apropia-madrid-futbolistas-caprichosos-comportamientos-toxicos-20251208130320-nt.html?ref=https://www.reddit.com/
     
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  7. Hendrix22

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    Any examples of what he has done wrong? Apart from not punishing Vinicius for his outburst?


    Theres no points there, just the usual abstract pompous gibberish.
     
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  8. fierro

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    So the sub was a spontaneous decision, Xabi out there like "I've got nothing, let's see if this works"

    That's crazy.



    Carlo used to sub Vini out alot last season. I thought it was at least part of a broader, well thought out planning process to keep him fresh and fit for the end of season but apparently Xabi didn't have any such plan or process, he's literally just winging it as Real Madrid manager.
     
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  9. Seoul Villan

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    Feb 16, 2011
    You’re being disingenuous here. Of course Xabi has plans, but you also assess players in real time - like Vinny was doing F all to help the defense so he needed to be subbed against Barca.

    Because of the temper tantrum, he can’t sub Vinny without any scrutiny or examination.

    Had Vinny came out and apologized directly to Xabi and said “hey, I don’t like coming off, but I understand it’s for the best of the team and the coach has every right to do so” it wouldn’t be a big deal going forward.

    But nope. Vinny doubled down and here we are.
     
  10. Lyra

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    Apr 29, 2013
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    Try reading again. Or don't. gifs are what people use when the football talk is above their weight class.
     
  11. Bear Crotch

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    Jan 2, 2008
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    I'd love for the Jose mostly for the lolz.

    I love this team and have for two decades this year. This is the least likable group of players I've seen the club. I'm almost at the point where I just want to see how deep the dumpster goes so we can truly start fresh. Go scorched earth on some of the malignant tumors while keep a few of the untainted pieces here and start over.
     
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  12. fierro

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    This was more or less Vini's apology. I don't like coming off but I'll do it "IF" that is what's best for the team (but "IF" it is not waht's best then you best believe I'm gonna fight against it).
     
  13. Hendrix22

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    Yeah Im sure football talk is above my weight class:ROFLMAO:
     
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  14. meringues

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    If this is actually the case and the dressing room is this unmanageable then the club is also to blame for hiring the wrong manger
     
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  15. Lyra

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    Good to see that self reflection finally kicking in. :thumbsup:

    Moving on..

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  16. 4x4s

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    Just because we hired the wrong guy doesn't mean this is redeemable
     
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  17. 4x4s

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    - Talking way too much and overpromising. Constantly talking about what you are going to do and how it is going to look without even being on the job for a month was a mistake. His phrase "Rock n Roll football" is being used to make fun of him now, it's something journalists throw at him in jest now like how Pellegrini was the "engineer" and that became sort of a joke where the press would use that to pull all sorts of wordplay to call him a "mechanic" instead.

    - Never settling on anything. His record in consecutive weeks with different lineups either surpassed on came close to surpassing Lopetegui's who was crushed by the team for it that reportedly became unsettled back then and felt like he was desperate. Doing the same thing shows there hasn't been enough reflection of the past of this club to see what works and what doesn't. Fans love constant tinkering and experimenting but the last coach to try it didn't even make a season.

    - The Boss / employee startup ceo relationship with the players just doesn't work. Trying to force it drew conflict with a star player who won the struggle and the whole world got to see it.

    - The team is simply not playing enjoyable football. By the same point of the season Flick, if we take him as an example, had already put all four wheels on the track and the team was executing. We don't even have the car design, much less rubber on the road yet.
     
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  18. benny_madridista

    Real Madrid
    Nov 30, 2020
    This is true but some of the principles of play (like the pressing) used by Barcelona were already present under his predecessor, Flick just took them to a higher level. Some of the players matured at the right time too.
    All things considered I think Xabi should at least finish the season.
     
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  19. boeder

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    Feb 27, 2013
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    Ah yes, making a final verdict on the coach in the 3rd week of December. This is exactly why whatever the fvck RM is doing will never be a "project".

    Anyone who thinks Arbeloa, Raul, Klopp, Mourinho, Zidane et. al could just walk in and succeed right now with these spoiled w@nkers and in the current state of how our club is managed needs to take a break from watching football.
     
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  20. Seoul Villan

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    Feb 16, 2011
    No he didn’t. He specifically didn’t mention the coach nor say anything about understanding coming off. Don’t be fooled.



    “Today I want to apologise to all Madrid fans for my reaction to being substituted in El Clásico," Vinícius said in a post on X.

    "Just as I did in person during today's training session, I also want to apologise again to my teammates, the club, and the president.

    "Sometimes my passion gets the better of me; I always want to win and help my team. My competitive nature stems from the love I feel for this club, and everything it represents.

    "I promise to keep fighting every second for the good of Real Madrid, as I have done since day one."
     
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  21. boeder

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    Feb 27, 2013
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    Bro, don't waste your time.

    At least Lyra is actually cool, she just has a mad crush on Jr. and Hazard and it's messing her up.
     
  22. 4x4s

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    Of course not, I am fully assuming it will only get worse after but this club has proven to be both quick on the trigger with coaches, and allergic to bad PR to the point where they do something for optics if the situation gets bad enough.

    You cannot fire and hire 9 new players, but you can do it with a coach. That's just one person.
     
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  23. boeder

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    Feb 27, 2013
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    Yeah, hire Raul and get more of the same if not markedly worse (because Raul is a d!ck), fire him and bring on Arbeloa who's even more confrontational, fire him and resign at 80. Die a few months later. The new president will then weed out these insects for you.

    It takes making an example out of 1 instigating moron –who already is strong arming Perez over renewal and wants to leave on a free– to get everybody in line.
     
  24. meringues

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    Aug 8, 2008
    Wisconsin
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    Zidane might be able to walk in and clean up the mess but that’s only because he’s literally one of a kind

    The others would set the whole thing ablaze completely but maybe that’s better than where things are currently headed.


    I’m team Xabi in this. When you see the same problem as under the previous manager, the literal GOAT, it becomes pretty clear who the fault mostly lies with.

    Players 60%
    Club 20%
    Manager 20%
     
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  25. boeder

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    Feb 27, 2013
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    Zidane left for exactly the same reasons (and others). I'm pretty sure he was given "promises" just like Xabi was and then fvcked over just like Xabi is being now. One in doggy and the other missionary.

    Zidane is the least likely choice. It will not happen, he knows better than that.
     

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