PBP: P01135809 Trump Espionage, Coup, Conspiracy, Racketeering, Fraud & Obstruction Trial Thread

The juries I’ve sat on - in California - did that. I also thought any juror could be kicked off until the end of the selection process.

 

Wittes thinks it's highly likely Trump would see at minimum 1 - 4 years of house arrest, assuming conviction.

The bigger question for him was how Merchan would handle the appeal. Would he make Trump serve house arrest while waiting for the appeal, or let him out during that waiting period.

He thinks sentencing hearing is likely to occur 8 - 12 weeks post verdict of the trial.

 

I’m not a lawyer, but why wouldn’t Cohen’s sentence for this same scheme work as a baseline?

 

A defendants attitude, demeanor, remorse, acceptance of responsibility, etc.. absolutely play a factor though. Judge's have discretion in sentencing.

If Trump shows no remorse ever and continues to be an asshole, he will likely end up on the steeper side of the sentence curve so to speak.

I'm no lawyer, but that's what I've gathered for the legal podcasts.

 

Looks like they are searching the social media posts of the prospective jurists.

Would it be dishonest to say "I don't do social media. I only post to a soccer forum."?

 

Federal vs state charges I believe. And I don’t exactly recall what he plead to. Plus he plead guilty. So if his sentence does serve as a baseline…it would be the absolute minimum.

 

He parked it on the Mall and the Koch limo was waiting for him

 

I'll go down during lunch and throw some rocks at it.

 

He Loves riding Koch.

 

who wouldn’t?

 

Yeah, this trial is almost a bigger, fatter donut than Trump himself. As such, the poll within this thread omits an obvious answer option: doesn't matter.

Should have just focused on the Georgia case for which there is clear evidence of a serious crime.

 

Not sure what you mean by “focus”. This trial is a New York State trial Managed by NY state prosecutors. The Georgia case is a Georgia criminal trial led by Georgia prosecutors. Neither have anything to do with Jack Smith or the Department of Justice.

Regarding the NY case…it’s actually a pretty simple case. Question 1) did he falsify business records? That’s pretty clear cut…and the document evidence is overwhelming. Question 2)why did he falsify those documents. The why (intent) is what elevates the misdemeanor document falsification to a felony.

It’s not complex. And the evidence that will be presented is overwhelming. Absent jury nullification or a hung jury mistrial…he will be convicted.

 

I didn't say there wasn't evidence. I just said there wasn't evidence of a serious crime. Falsifying business records? Meh. That's not going to change anyone's vote, let's be real here.

 

Polling contradicts this assertion.

 

I'm skeptical. Polls of the sort "would you still vote for candidate X if ______ happens" seem dodgy at best. How do people know what they will do in the future if something that hasn't happened yet happens? Especially when the question is posed to people that are still standing by Trump after everything he has done over the past 9 years.

 

What I find hard to believe is that they could find enough people for a jury who either 1) don't know about this whole situation and 2) don't feel strongly, one way or another, about Trump. All you need is one red hat out of the 12 and it's game over. And I'd be concerned about the low- informationalness of people who are that oblivious

 

At least there is data on one side. You’re just posting vibes.

Reminder: https://www.bigsoccer.com/threads/n...you-hope-to-thrive-on-the-p-ce-board.1976490/

 

What was Whitewater about? Teapot dome? The payoffs to the Waterbuggers? Hilary's e-mails? Al Capone died in jail over not having any. The President of Panama saw his country invaded, was brought to the US by force and thrown into prison because he had some which reflected very poorly on a sitting American President.

 

One of the jurors dropped out. Apparently some people close to them figured out they were on the jury based on responses to the questions. They felt afraid. The judge has decided to not publicize the answers to 2 of the questions to make it harder for folks to guess who is on the jury.

 

I think everyone knows he paid off Stormy Daniels. But I'm sure a lot of people aren't even aware of the laws concerning falsifying business records, much less what the orange baboon did to break those laws, which is what the actual trial is about.

Unrelated note: I watched the Stormy Daniels bio on Peacock and found it pretty interesting.

 

I’m sure one of our attorneys will correct me if I’m wrong…but neither 1 nor 2 are a requirement to sit on a jury.