PBP: P01135809 Trump Espionage, Coup, Conspiracy, Racketeering, Fraud & Obstruction Trial Thread

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What will be the outcome?

  1. Guilty

  2. Not guilty

  3. Pardons himself

  4. Goes into exile in Snowden's flat

  5. Some other fascism

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  1. soccernutter

    soccernutter Moderator
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    Na. Biden will win. Trump will just abuse the legal system because they are handling him with kid gloves, not as a threat to democracy. And also Cannon.

    edit - WaPo live feed pointed out that this trial will remind everybody how long Trump's behavior has been going on. Both personally and also politically.
     
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  2. Cascarino's Pizzeria

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    Old orange fartbag can't even stay awake on Day 1 :p

     
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  3. Sounders78

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    Remember his nickname for Biden - Sleepy Joe Biden - yep, just another projection.
     
  4. The Jitty Slitter

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    i don’t mean the election. i mean it is how he gets away with his intimidation and obstruction of justice.
     
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  5. soccernutter

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    First 96 jurors brought in, and 60+ were immediately dismissed. An additional juror answered that they could be impartial, and was immediately challenged by Blanche, and subsequently dismissed. I believe the pool is 500 jurors.
     
  6. KCbus

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    I suspect there will be a lot of that. I would consider myself to be as capable of objective thought as anyone, and I don't know if I could be impartial on this one.
     
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  7. diablodelsol

    diablodelsol Member+

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    I imagine part of this is fear. Would you want to be part of this…knowing your name is going to eventually get out? I’d like to think I’d do my civic duty…but this would be a hard decision.
     
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  8. KCbus

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    I wouldn't give a shit about that part. I would consider it an honor to render an impartial verdict on such an important case. I just don't know if I could be objective; I despise Trump that much.
     
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  9. Cascarino's Pizzeria

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    I'd pretend I only knew him from TV and then if picked, browbeat my fellow jurors into convicting his ass.:D
     
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  10. KCbus

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    I've had that thought, BELIEVE ME. But I take my civil responsibility seriously, and I'd be too honest for my own good.
     
  11. roadkit

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    He's shown zero remorse -- and I guarantee he'll attack the judge in the courtroom if given a chance to speak. Under those circumstances, he better do jail time.
     
  12. superdave

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    You know one of the wingnuts here would rat you out to Donnie’s lawyers.
     
  13. taosjohn

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    That would be unwise.

    We know where they live...:ninja:
     
  14. diablodelsol

    diablodelsol Member+

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    Day 2 of his criminal trial is gonna be off the hook when AG James starts the penalty enforcement process. He’s gonna lose what little mind he has left. His meltdown is gonna be epic.

     
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  15. soccernutter

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    Don't forget, Fischer is being heard by SCOTUS tomorrow. He might get two charges from DC removed (when the decision comes down, probably in June).
     
  16. Cascarino's Pizzeria

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    The Good Liars try to get Andrew Giuliani to hush

     
  17. Auriaprottu

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    Absolutely. That's what you can expect of his supporters if they were given the chance. The most important principle I can follow is doing the right thing- fighting conservatism at every turn. There's too much at stake for the principles of the game to get in the way.
     
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  18. diablodelsol

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    So apparently Knight filed.

    Not only are they using Jr’s Schwab account (yes…the same one)…they apparently used the signature page from the Chubb agreement in their filing.

    How Trumpian would it be for Trump’s bond surety in his falsifying business records case to get indicted for falsifying business records.

    I don’t think this is going to be accepted even if this was just a mistake. The only collateral requirement is that the account has to maintain a balance greater than $175 million. Which is fine…except for the fact that it is already being used as collateral for another bond. If it indeed the same account….Chubb is likely going to have some problems as I imagine that would violate their own bond.
     
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  19. ElNaranja

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    I'd be less worried about that and more worried they'd call the Proud Boys (or 3% or insert gang here) first to pay me a visit.
     
  20. Cascarino's Pizzeria

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    But it's a once-in-a-lifetime chance to convict a corrupt insurrectionist.

    Biden got like 90% of the vote in Manhattan. So Trumpy jurors are likely young Midwestern transplants or Wall St types who are too busy taking selfies in restaurants to want to sit on a jury. Most Trumpy Wypipo reside in the outer boroughs
     
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  21. Cascarino's Pizzeria

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    Don't think Donnie will get time even if convicted. Somehow he has no prior convictions
     
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  22. diablodelsol

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    I realize I’m setting myself up in a Charlie Brown/Lucy/football scenario but I really believe you’re wrong here.
     
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  23. diablodelsol

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    I’ll concede for argument’s sake that Barr made prosecuting Trump for obstruction of the mueller investigation impossible for Garland…but I don’t think I’ve seen the official defense of Garland explanation as to why this was never charged. Perhaps Maddow addressed this later in this piece (I didn’t see it)


    How does Barr tank a prosecution of an un indicted co-conspirator when his DoJ already secured a conviction of the other conspirator?
     
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  24. song219

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    I wouldn't worry so much about that. If the evidence against him is so overwhelming, a bit of bias on your part won't contribute to sending an innocent man to prison.
     
  25. The Jitty Slitter

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    Elie Honig had a bunch of coverage about this - I forget all the details

    But IIRC it was SDNY that didn't go ahead with it. i don't know if it ever got as far as Garland
     
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