PBP: P01135809 Trump Espionage, Coup, Conspiracy, Racketeering, Fraud & Obstruction Trial Thread

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What will be the outcome?

  1. Guilty

  2. Not guilty

  3. Pardons himself

  4. Goes into exile in Snowden's flat

  5. Some other fascism

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  1. Khan

    Khan Member+

    Mar 16, 2000
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    Ultimately, at the end of the day, who's responsible?

    If she can't answer that, then she's dumber than we all thought, OR she's lying/lawyering about this. It doesn't make her look better, this makes her look worse, TBH.
     
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  2. Khan

    Khan Member+

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    #5877 Khan, Feb 27, 2024
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    Nope.

    I would expect no different if Willis were male. I would still think him mentally weak if he were sweet-talked/honey-potted into getting romantically involved with someone under their purview.

    You're reaching, and you're wrong.

    I find this to be unlikely.

    Are we to believe that none of the jurors will use the internet, nor have any contact with friends/family/neighbors/fellow parishioners/coworkers that use the internet? Or watch the news? Or read a newspaper?

    They're GONNA find out, and it's moronic to believe that they won't.

    By falling all over yourself to try to inject allegations of "sexism" into the discussion, where none exist.

    If Willis were male, we should expect no different.
     
  3. Yoshou

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    How it makes her look is independent of the charges she filed. Again, we don't know what the policies are in Georgia with regards to Special Investigators. If there are no policies against it, then we're just talking optics here and optics shouldn't have any bearing on the charges and you're just murdering bytes for no reason. ;)
     
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  4. Khan

    Khan Member+

    Mar 16, 2000
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    You're reaching.

    It is still a jury trial, correct? What the optics are matter to people who are working for free, and whose lives may be endangered by red hat idiots.


    And ultimately, who does the responsibility for this case lie upon?
     
  5. Khan

    Khan Member+

    Mar 16, 2000
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    So the internet, TV, and other sources of information will be completely sealed off from the entirety of the jury pool?

    Cool. How, exactly, will they pull off such a trick?

    Because I really doubt that each and every one of the potential jurors, and each and every one of the alternates will completely and totally isolate themselves from TV/the internet/printed media/radio.
     
  6. Yoshou

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    Part of jury selection will be whether a juror has heard anything about this trial and if what they have heard would prevent them from being impartial. This would fall under those questions. Any juror that answers yes would be removed from the jury pool. I would expect the jury pool for this trial to be quite large.
     
  7. Khan

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    Expecting jurors to tell the truth about this is about as secure as expecting someone to not duplicate a key, simply because it was stamped "do not duplicate."

    That is pure fantasy to expect otherwise.


    Hell, a motivated red hat idiot could simply state that they heard nothing, just to be selected and influence the outcome. Thousands of those idiots still believe the election was stolen, and that no one did anything wrong on 1/6/21.
     
  8. soccernutter

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    Just go back and read the thread. It will clear up your misconceptions.
     
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  9. soccernutter

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    Anna Bower has been pretty clear, along with Parloff, Wittes, and Strict Scrutiny, and I think even Wiessmann and McCord, that as long as the money was separated (IOW, that Wade did not pay for Willis without reimbursement), then nothing that was done was illegal. And since Wade is a contractor and not a direct employee, it is ethically borderline, but definitely not illegal.

    All if this goes back to the question, posed many pages back, of who is paying for Roman's lawyer.
     
  10. Yoshou

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    That is the entire basis of the jury system in the US. So… Again… Keep the person separate from the charges.

    There are also safeguards against the scenario you’re creating. For one, any juror that lies during jury selection is committing perjury and given the profile if this case…..
     
  11. Yoshou

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    I don’t think failing to re-imburse Wade for the trips in itself is illegal. He wouldn’t have been the first guy to pay the way for the trips with their affair partner.

    I think the illegality would come from Willis hiring Wade so he could pay the way..
     
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  12. diablodelsol

    diablodelsol Member+

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    Which is why this entire episode is so incredibly ********ing stupid. Childishly so.
     
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  13. yossarian

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    Innocent is incorrect phrasing. This is a civil case not criminal. But in both situations, especially in criminal cases, one can file in forma pauperis if one doesn't have enough money to pay for appellate filings and can prove one doesn't have the resources for same.
     
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  14. rslfanboy

    rslfanboy Member+

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    Oh man. Did you have to keep his identifiers in there? You just summoned him back. :(
    :thumbsdown::thumbsdown::thumbsdown:
     
  15. The Jitty Slitter

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    To be fair, Yoss needed to address his urgent concerns about justice so he can rest easy at night!
     
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  16. The Jitty Slitter

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    This is the same of any jury trial - yet the system broadly works.

    In reality, a trumper hold out could get on any of the juries. It's a risk of the system. Personally I doubt Wade/ Willis will be determinative of that.
     
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  17. The Jitty Slitter

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    I am not really sure why we are having this discussion because everyone here, and the legal anoraks think this is terrible optics.

    I suspect there is some truth to the Ken White / defence Attorney take that it's a tell on the culture of the DA's office. i.e. they did this because they just assumed they can get away with it.
     
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  18. The Jitty Slitter

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    yes. It's not illegal per se, but it more obviously suggests a conflict or even corruption. White has pointed out that in other states this could easily become criminal because laws that apply to public officials specifically ban this kind of situation for obvious reasons.

    I think it is valid to question Willis/Wade's ethics here. If they decided to have this relationship, they should have done it all above board and transparently - then it couldn't come back to bite them like this.
     
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  19. The Jitty Slitter

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    In reality most people are not following the case closely like us.
     
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  20. diablodelsol

    diablodelsol Member+

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    Narrator: because that’s all he can come up with. Perhaps he’s going to learn that fancy Latin word or “I’m broke as ******** and need relief from the bond requirement”
     
  21. The Jitty Slitter

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    Yep - he'll have to sell assets

    poor baby
     
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  22. Yoshou

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    Which brings us back to the issue Philly brought up. Just because Trump is a billionaire (allegedly), it doesn't mean he has $500 million in liquid assets that is necessary to appeal his case. Trump's wealth (alleged) is tied up in property and you can't sell commercial property in 30 days.
     
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  23. The Jitty Slitter

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    This is indeed a fine vintage of Trumpian tears
     
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  24. Smurfquake

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    Someone who doesn't have a history of committing fraud and/or isn't banned from working with New York based financial institutions due to past fraud could take out a loan against their property. Someone who does have that history probably should have planned ahead to make sure the money was available, or maybe not done whatever he did to get these judgements against him.
     
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  25. diablodelsol

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    Well…you could use that property as collateral for the person posting the bond. But that person would have to trust that your valuations are accurate, as are your statements regarding liabilities against those assets. That’s a hard sell for trump given that was the very nature of the trial he just lost

    So…he ain’t stopping this.
     
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