PBP: P01135809 Trump Espionage, Coup, Conspiracy, Racketeering, Fraud & Obstruction Trial Thread

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What will be the outcome?

  1. Guilty

  2. Not guilty

  3. Pardons himself

  4. Goes into exile in Snowden's flat

  5. Some other fascism

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  1. JohnR

    JohnR Member+

    Jun 23, 2000
    Chicago, IL
    Yeah, I actually knew that. But I enjoyed writing "guilty," because that is what he is. (No doubt I would not have written that way if I were a lawyer, because doing so would have set my teeth on edge.)
     
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  2. rslfanboy

    rslfanboy Member+

    Jul 24, 2007
    Section 26
    If I remember right about Bragg, is that he said that the case wasn’t trial ready.

    Did Bragg shut down the investigation? Or is this kinda like our criticism of Garland that it all happened so slowly that it makes it look like incompetence? I really dont know the answer here.
     
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  3. The Jitty Slitter

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    Maybe Congress needs to look in to this
     
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  4. soccernutter

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    Well, Trump has also been able to buy is way out of what ever situation he was in, probably because either people he delt with were as dirty as he is, or because it was to their benefit to deal with Trump. But now he has people much smarter than he is (and smarter than the lawyers he has) going after him, and he doesn't know how to deal with it, because 30+ years.
     
  5. soccernutter

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    You know why? Because Biden is old. According to the daily media reports.
     
  6. JohnR

    JohnR Member+

    Jun 23, 2000
    Chicago, IL
    You know how after you've been smelling sulfur for several hours, you no longer smell sulfur? That's Trump. He smells so powerfully of rotten eggs that most people can't process it any more. Whatever he does now, it's a shrug.
     
  7. superdave

    superdave Member+

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    Part of the fraud was that he claimed his NY home was 30,000 square feet when it’s 10,000.

    Which means he thinks his dick is 9 inches long.
     
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  8. soccernutter

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    I don't think that people can't process, I think it is more "okay, more corrupt behavior. What else?"
     
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  9. canzano55

    canzano55 Member+

    Jun 23, 2003
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    So if the business license belongs to a parent company that owns billion dollar buildings in Manhattan, a judge can issue a summary ruling to have entire buildings siezed up-and-down Park Avenue with the swing of a gavel? If that's the case, what legal safeguards does any business have against the weight of the U.S government once they become a target?
     
  10. Auriaprottu

    Auriaprottu Member+

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    Apr 1, 2002
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    Be pre-emptive- don't do anything to make your business a target.
    If you're not doing anything wrong, you don't have anything to worry about
     
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  11. MattR

    MattR Member+

    Jun 14, 2003
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    Don't lie on legal or contractual documents.
     
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  12. Dr. Wankler

    Dr. Wankler Member+

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    Socialism!
     
  13. Potowmack

    Potowmack Member+

    Apr 2, 2010
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    Not really. If a company is legally dissolved for whatever reason, its assets get sold and dispersed to pay taxes, creditors and, if anything is left, the shareholders. The government isn’t seizing the property here.

    Anyway, read the decision. It lays out what’s happening pretty clearly.
     
  14. canzano55

    canzano55 Member+

    Jun 23, 2003
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    Is the dissolution of assets being forced in this case? I didn't see the word "dissolve" in the decision.
     
  15. Potowmack

    Potowmack Member+

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    No, not yet. But, dissolving a company is a potential result if the company in question is essentially operating as a criminal enterprise. The Bernie Madoff case is a good example. A court can take over such an enterprise, appoint a receiver, and have the company dissolved.
     
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  16. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
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  17. Bootsy Collins

    Bootsy Collins Player of the Year

    Oct 18, 2004
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    No. It's an important distinction. If he and his sons had been found guilty of criminal charges of fraud, we'd be having a very different (and more entertaining) conversation right now.
     
  18. Bootsy Collins

    Bootsy Collins Player of the Year

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    Not committing fraud. HTH.
     
  19. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
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    Area man learns of the separation of powers for the first time

    [​IMG]
     
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  20. The Jitty Slitter

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    Something that is always quite amusing in these situations is when there is a gigantic, systemic scandal like the CDO/Housing crisis the public demand that "something be done" in terms of new legislation, but when that legislation is actually enforced against anyone half of them then moan that its all too big government

    Crypto has been the recent example of this where we have regulations preventing people from selling unregistered securities precisely because of rampant fraud in the bad old days - and that is why modern markets are better (not perfect) - then crypto comes along and does giant fraud and suddenly all the libertarian hustle fanbois get their anus scorched.

    Of course since forever and a day we've had regulations that prevent people from running rogue business organisations which no one in their right mind has an issue with, until their darling Donny gets run to ground and then it's fascism at the stroke of a gavel!
     
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  21. Dage

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    That's a big [emoji265]
     
  22. Deadtigers

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    Jul 23, 2015
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    New York real estate people have an insanely strong lobby as one would imagine. They generally do not come after real estate developers until you get to egregious. In criminal LE terms, You can rob people, you can rob the liquor store, you could probably rob a bank but it's when you start robbing three Banks, they're like okay we got to shut them down.

    So he was always relatively never that big of a fish but then you know he wants to become president and run his mouth and start taking shots at the sitting AG, you gonna have some problems.
     
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  23. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    Gee, if only there was some history of malfeasance

    Washington Post reporter Michael Kranish, co-author of the book Trump Revealed, tells NPR's Robert Siegel that the Justice Department considered the case "one of the most significant race bias cases" at the time.

    It was a suit that was directly against them, and it is one that Donald Trump to this day clearly is upset about.

    Michael Kranish

    "They signed what was called a consent order," Kranish says. "Trump fought the case for two years. ... He says it was very easy, but actually he fought the case for two years."

    The Trumps took essentially the first settlement offer the federal government provided, Kranish says; the Trumps did not, in fact, have to admit guilt in settling the suit.

    This sounds familiar:

    The case eventually was settled two years later after Trump tried to countersue the Justice Department for $100 million for making false statements. Those allegations were dismissed by the court.


    https://www.npr.org/2016/09/29/4959...ed-by-decades-old-housing-discrimination-case
     
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  24. charlie15

    charlie15 Member+

    Mar 9, 2000
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    That should be blaring news...

    Retired Gen. Barry McCaffrey told MSNBC that Donald Trump’s threats to military leaders “is a parallel to the 1930s in Nazi Germany.”

    Said McCaffrey: “That’s 15-25 House members, a couple of Senators, and all those who are Trump MAGA loyalists—it’s a major threat to the armed forces of the United States.
     
  25. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
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    And also that time they did a coup
     
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