P&CE Discussion of Tolkien, LOTR, Silmarillion, and Amazon’s Expensive Commercial Attempt at Fanfic

Yeah i get it. And of course this is just a taste thing. For me he was a strange interlude ...

 

I'm willing to give them some slack for an adaption but I'd prefer they just create their own character rather than shoe-horn him into the story.

 

Sigh. The Durin's are just so bad

 

Wait - the showrunners thought handing Gandalf the Luke Skywalker Cloud City dilemma was a fun and great thing to do?

Obviously the whole wizard training type thing with Tom is ripped off from every kungfu movie ever but at least in Empire Luke actually does some of his training with Yoda before he decides to leave. I feel like this show just can't let things breathe ever ... yet they have time for endless durin dialogue

And i was ready to forge the 9 myself it it would mean Celebrimbor could bugger off - can Sauron just kill him already please?

 

Ep 7 insisted in embracing the show's worst qualities.

We've got a huge pitched battle, yet for some reason the action needs to be interrupted with endless Celebrimbor scenes?

IMO what this show does not realise is that some of the characters are really awful and just should not be on screen so much - Celebrimbor being an obvious one. He's a complete twat. Elevating his tragedy does not work because we already don't root for him.

The torment needed to be over a character we care about.

This just seems like obvious scripting failure to me and I don't get it.

 

Yep. Compare/contrast Jonathan Pryce's character in Slow Horses (David Cartwright) with Celebrimbor. Both are aging leaders, suffering from delusions (albeit with different causes), but Pryce's character arc is compelling and quite sad----because the writing and acting are so good in that show.

 

Yeah agreed. Celebrimbor was obviously set up as an arrogant fool but then you have to run with it

 

Do you watch Slow Horses? It's so well written.

 

I've seen the first 3 series - quality stuff.

 

Anyone with the Max streaming service (the artist formerly known as HBO Max) the old Ralph Bakshi animated version of The Lord of the Rings is streaming starting December 1st.

For the uninitiated, it ends after Helms Deep. Couldn't get funding for the second half and then Rankin Bass did that horrible TV version to finish it---sort of.

 

The Rankin Bass TV end to it is the one with the silly songs. The Bakshi one is typical trippy Bakshi rotoscope animation. No songs that I can recall. But since you asked.....here's this banger.....

 

I'm sure I mentioned this upthread but Max™ is streaming the Ralph Bakshi version of LOTR (really it's just FOTR and half of TT). I saw the theatrical release as a youngster and probably watched on video as a teenager but it had been forever since I watched it. So bad. Not sure why the animators made Bilbo and Sam so ugly and why they chose to have Aragorn and Boromir not wear pants. The best part, IMO, is the rotoscoping makes the Nazgul look extra creepy.