P&CE Discussion of Tolkien, LOTR, Silmarillion, and Amazon’s Expensive Commercial Attempt at Fanfic

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  1. Belgian guy

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    #28 American Brummie, Sep 7, 2022
    Watership Down is kinda ruined by having rabbits as pets; rabbits are famously a matriarchal species with crepuscular feeding/active behaviors, and therefore the whole book I'm lost in the weeds.
     
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    #29 luftmensch, Sep 7, 2022
    They’re following Jackson’s lead of oversimplifying the races for the lowest common denominator. Elves? Haughty robed new agers. Dwarves? Boorish, loud, and earthy. Men? Dingbats, mostly.

    Well that last part might be true anyway….
     
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    #30 Cascarino's Pizzeria, Sep 7, 2022
    Report today that even Dems who aren't real big Biden fans intend to vote for Dem congresscritters. Dodd a huge driver in Dem energy this year.
     
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  6. JohnR

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    #31 JohnR, Sep 7, 2022
    Well actually, Tolkein's lead -

    1) Elves - Tall noble aristocrats
    2) Dwarves - Short working class blokes, hot tempered
    3) Hobbits - Short working class blokes, not hot tempered
    4) Bad men from the South - Swarthy fellas
     
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    #32 The Jitty Slitter, Sep 7, 2022
    The hobbits are more rural coutryside types IMO. All the food stuff is not working class.
     
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    #33 Val1, Sep 7, 2022
    That's true of most sci fi and fantasy. It's all very racist. Every Klingon has battle lust, every Romulan is deceptive, etc.
     
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    #34 JohnR, Sep 7, 2022
    Well OK. But unlike the elves, they didn't attend Oxbridge.
     
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    #35 Smurfquake, Sep 7, 2022
    Did you mean "Dobby"? Because that would be on-topic for this thread.
     
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    #36 The Jitty Slitter, Sep 7, 2022
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    Definitely not - they are your solid west country folk from the cotswolds. Remember the horror of factories coming to the shire!
     
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    #37 argentine soccer fan, Sep 7, 2022
    As much as I loved Princess Bride, I'll take Jackson's LOTR, warts and all.
     
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    #38 luftmensch, Sep 7, 2022
    We’ll sort of, but in the books at least the elves knew how to laugh and party, the Jackson movies presented them as uptight vegans. Their portrayal was the most annoying for me, particularly Elrond, who seemed like he was constantly holding back a shit. I like him a little better in the new show.
     
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    #39 argentine soccer fan, Sep 7, 2022
    So am I. In fact, I hope that they focus more on new stories, which hopefully will be well written, rather than try to modify what Tolkien wrote. I hope that they develop the new characters, and all I ask is that they don't mess with the characters that Tolkien created by changing them significantly. (Which I fear they are already doing with Galadriel).

    I agree. I am glad that they came up with amazing scenery that fits my ideas about Middle Earth in the second age. Whether the characters and the story lines will be good enough to hold my interest remains to be seen, but I'm open to it.

    I agree with the comments that the dialogue so far sucks, but hopefully it will improve as the characters develop. I thought Jackson's LOTR also had plenty of cringeworthy dialogue, and yet later as the movies developed they did start to come up with some better dialogue and interactions that I actually enjoyed, and that in my view enhanced the characters while still being consistent with Tolkien's original creation. Two examples of this would be the characters of Smeagol/Gollum and of King Theoden of Rohan.

    So, they are still setting things up, I think it's premature to dismiss the story lines or even the dialogue, as bad as it's been so far, when things haven't even gotten started. On the action department, I'm sure we'll get a lot more than a single orc fighting a woman and a child.

    Not really, we don't. But if they are smart they'll use it as the starting point/background to tell new stories that are original but consistent with Tolkien's world.

    I think we can blame Tolkien for that one. He started it when he wrote The Hobbit.
     
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    #40 argentine soccer fan, Sep 7, 2022
    Shall we start a new thread? :)
     
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    #41 bungadiri, Sep 7, 2022
    Jackson is more to blame. He did many things right with his LOTR movies, but his treatment (and casting) of Gimli was downright tragic. I thought the dwarves in the (unnecessarily bloated) Hobbit movies were actually truer to the source material. Gimli would have been much better portrayed by an actor like the guy who played Fili (or was it Kili?).
     
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    #42 The Jitty Slitter, Sep 7, 2022
    Agreed

    Jackson has always been super cheesey
     
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    #43 yossarian, Sep 7, 2022
    I want an entire 9 episode season about Tom Bombadil and only Tom Bombadil.....well, Goldberry too.
     
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    #44 The Jitty Slitter, Sep 7, 2022
    Tom Bombadil was a libertarian who acquiesced to fascism ... discuss.
     
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    "Meat's back on the menu boys!!!"
     
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    #46 yossarian, Sep 7, 2022
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    No, more like a very adept off-the-grid hippy too high all the time to even read the news.

    Remember when participants in the Council suggest maybe giving the Ring to him for safe-keeping, Gandalf doesn't say no because he'd acquiesce to Sauron. He says, no, he'd probably lose it or forget he even had it.
     
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    #47 bungadiri, Sep 7, 2022
    The Harvard Lampoon satire Bored of the Rings converted him to (I think) Tim Benzedrino.
     
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    #48 QuakeAttack, Sep 7, 2022
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    You are dead to me. :D

    LOTR were a wonderful series of movies which transitioned well movie to movie and did a good job of translating from book to movie format. The casting was generally very good (agree with the comments of Gimli). My wife who doesn't generally like fantasy series enjoyed the LOTR (Ok, she is a huge Harry Potter fan). Could LOTR been better? Sure. Could LOTR been worse? Too easily.

    While I enjoyed the Hobbit series, I fall into the camp of the content should have just been two movies and not three.
     
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    #49 yossarian, Sep 7, 2022
    Hey dol, merry dol, ring a dong dillo!
     
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    #50 argentine soccer fan, Sep 7, 2022
    I was hoping that the guy who fell from the sky would somehow end up being Tom Bombadil, but not after I saw what he looks like.
     
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