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  1. don gagliardi

    don gagliardi Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    Feb 28, 2004
    san jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Miami was last in the standings when Messi arrived a year ago.
     
  2. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Do you think he's saying stars go to Miami because their soccer team is high in the standings?
    If that's what he meant, why was the comparison to Cincinnati who are also one of the best teams in MLS?

    Or do you actually understand what he's saying but are pretending not to?
     
  3. don gagliardi

    don gagliardi Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    Feb 28, 2004
    san jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    I understand and I’m not pretending.

    He said “given the standings and city environments”. I took him at face value. I could have trashed Miami as a city environment, because it ain’t SF. But I stuck to the standings. Miami was in San Jose’s current position just a year ago.

    It’s actually all about money. San Jose could compete with anyone in attracting geriatric superstars if Fisher opened his wallet. You know that and so does everyone taking a cheap shot at KC.
     
  4. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That's actually what I've been saying for years... or in any case there are two possibilities:

    - Professional athletes will go anywhere for the money, whether it's NYC/LA/MIami or San Jose or Cincy or KC.

    - Professional athletes will go pretty much anywhere for money, but will have a preference for certain markets, in which case there's no reason that the Bay Area shouldn't be in the preferred "NYC/LA/Miami" group and not the "Cincy/KC" group (places that may be just fine but may not be on the radar of some Euro soccer player), as a place with great cities and great weather that is literally the wealthiest place in the wealthiest country on earth, and currently the center of the world in the information age.
     
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  5. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  6. vamanoshasta

    vamanoshasta Member+

    Aug 12, 2006
    And not called her offside.
     
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  7. JazzyJ

    JazzyJ BigSoccer Supporter

    Jun 25, 2003
    Debatable.
     
  8. vamanoshasta

    vamanoshasta Member+

    Aug 12, 2006
    Nope.
     
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  9. TyffaneeSue

    TyffaneeSue moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 15, 2003
    Upstairs
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
  10. JazzyJ

    JazzyJ BigSoccer Supporter

    Jun 25, 2003
    Yep.
     
  11. JazzyJ

    JazzyJ BigSoccer Supporter

    Jun 25, 2003
    True, though Patrick Mahomes was not Patrick Mahomes when he started playing in KC, and Travis Kelce was not Travis Kelce when he started playing in KC, and for that matter before he started dating Taylor Swift :).
     
  12. Kaitlyn

    Kaitlyn Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    Feb 25, 2014
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  13. vamanoshasta

    vamanoshasta Member+

    Aug 12, 2006
    I suppose you are correct that it is debatable, but it's not offsides. The only one here that would even begin to think otherwise would be our favorite BSman! :D
     
  14. vamanoshasta

    vamanoshasta Member+

    Aug 12, 2006
    Player in the offside position lets that amazing through pass go through without any involvement. Player who scores is clearly on.
     
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  15. Kaitlyn

    Kaitlyn Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    Feb 25, 2014
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Was watching a Nashville game, its pretty interesting that Bill Hamid and Joe Willis both got their starts with DC United, Joe Willis is 3 years older than Bill Hamid. Hamid joined the MLS in 2009, Willis in 2011, even with being in the National Team Hunt for a good part of his career for the 3rd string spot, Joe Willis is arguably one of the better MLS has ever had in goal never had a National Team look, while Bill Hamid now flounders around the USL.
     
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  16. JazzyJ

    JazzyJ BigSoccer Supporter

    Jun 25, 2003
    #18467 JazzyJ, Aug 16, 2024
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    I know what it looks like at the line, I’ve watched it many times, and I’ve already explained why I think it’s debatable. Pretty sure there’s be a lot more debate about it among American soccer fans if that was a Brazil goal.
     
  17. falvo

    falvo Member+

    Mar 27, 2005
    San Jose & Florence
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Mauricio Pochettino will make USMNT better, but what is


    In other news.....


     
  18. TyffaneeSue

    TyffaneeSue moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 15, 2003
    Upstairs
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    It's a judgment call, and if it's a reasonable call for the referee to make (ITOOTR) VAR won't suggest otherwise.
     
  19. JazzyJ

    JazzyJ BigSoccer Supporter

    Jun 25, 2003
    That’s all I’m saying - it’s a judgment call. I think depends on how you interpret the LOTG, and if they’ve decided to interpret the LOTG a certain way then you could say no offside. I do think if they’re going to call it that way then this kind of thing is ripe for abuse. For example you could send a pass thru, have 2 guys jump offside and continue their run, then stop just before the non-offside player plays the ball. The defenders are caught having to defend the offside players as well as the non-offside player, which gives the non-onside player an advantage due the offside players.
     
  20. TyffaneeSue

    TyffaneeSue moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 15, 2003
    Upstairs
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Well, that's the question: was the player in the offside position a distraction? The referee decided she wasn't. It's kind of the flip side of the play where an opponent scores, you say "wait! that player was offside!" and then you see that one of your barely visible defenders was hanging out in the corner and keeping them onside.

    In the scenario you describe, the offside players are clearly engaged in the play and a deliberate distraction, and in that case it would make total sense to call back the goal.
     
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  21. JazzyJ

    JazzyJ BigSoccer Supporter

    Jun 25, 2003
    I’ve already described why I think Smith was a “distraction”. She clearly was a distraction. The middle Brazilian defender in particular pulled her run *inside* of Smith and *away from* Swanson because she didn’t know Smith was offside (and is not required to know). As for “deliberate distraction”, Smith continued her run and only pulled up at the last minute.

    That said, that still doesn’t necessarily mean it’s offside. There are a bunch of cases in LOTG where a person is considered offside and “interference” is somewhat ambiguous. Maybe the refs had decided on a specific interpretation of the rule for the tournament and that’s fine. But I think if this case is not offside then there is plenty of room to abuse the system. As I mentioned you could have 3 attackers, 2 go offside and continue their runs and then at the last moment pull out while the one onside person plays the ball.

    Maybe the Quakes should try messing with the system that way except that for us it would likely be called offside, and then probably a red card for Bruno Wilson just because.
     
  22. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  23. bsman

    bsman Member+

    May 30, 2001
    MadCity
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    We (referees) are instructed not to reward the defense for making stupid moves…. You’ve never reffed a game nor taken any USSF reffing courses so you might not know that’s how we’re taught. However, I do suggest you get the IFAB LOTG app. They take a couple of hours to read and I think you’ll get a lot out of it.
     
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  24. JazzyJ

    JazzyJ BigSoccer Supporter

    Jun 25, 2003
    Not that I care that much about it, but I hope Seattle takes LAFC's pompous a$$ out of Leagues Cup today.
     
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