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Discussion in 'Borussia Dortmund' started by bvbSlash, Apr 11, 2019.

  1. eaglespark

    eaglespark Member+

    Apr 9, 2015
    Club:
    Crystal Palace FC
    Bayern and Germany lost out on a lot of major trophies by adopting the tikataka style of football. Bayern still might not win the CL this year and they might even lose to a Guardiola managed team, but hiring him was a big mistake.

    The intensity and the more direct style of play is what suits these players best.
     
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  2. BVBFNM

    BVBFNM Member+

    Apr 3, 2016
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Death to tiki-taka!
     
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  3. astrophyz

    astrophyz Member

    Sep 23, 2016
    Boston, USA
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Egypt
    Tiki taka in Guardiola's first year at Barca was magical! I think it must have been a magic mix of rebounding from a bad period, the emergence of messi-xavi-iniesta, remnants of Rijkards beautiful football style and crucially Guardiola's discipline.

    I think it quickly devolved into boring football, however. But that first Guardiola year is unforgettable/unmatched IMO.

    I say long live beautiful football, in whatever form and shape it comes!
     
  4. hava

    hava Member+

    Apr 30, 2016
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    The English pundits were (half) right. ManCity won't play like Barca against Bayern. They'll also not exploit the space offered by Bayern's pressing.

    Kind of funny that it's between France and Germany now.
     
  5. BVBFNM

    BVBFNM Member+

    Apr 3, 2016
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Up yours Pep!
     
  6. eaglespark

    eaglespark Member+

    Apr 9, 2015
    Club:
    Crystal Palace FC
    Bayern not doing everything possible to get Heynckes to conitue and instead hiring Pep was one of the stupidest decisions in football. I have said it before, but had they not done that they would have won at least 2 more CL titles.

    Pep just over complicates things in Europe and comes up with stupid tactics in the big games.



    However, the board should be looking at this and realise just how badly we flopped. We have a better team than City.
     
  7. hava

    hava Member+

    Apr 30, 2016
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Heynckes would have continued, I'm almost sure it was Bayern's decision not to extend the contract. I know that Beckenbauer back then didn't speak officially for the club anymore and that Bayern's management would have never expressed it like this but adding insult to injury to a gentleman like Heynckes, Beckenbauer said that you just had to get a coach like Pep if he's available. That was just disrespectful.

    Even Matthäus pretty much just said the same thing. He named the contrast to Bayern: Letting players play where they are comfortable every game for months instead of constant changes. I thought the same about Tuchel at times that some coaches believe they have to outsmart the opponent all by themselves in contrast to using the strengths of the available players.
     
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  8. eaglespark

    eaglespark Member+

    Apr 9, 2015
    Club:
    Crystal Palace FC
    Yes I believe this was the case as well.
    I 100% agree with this and it's why Tuchel had to go for me as well. Pep and Tuchel (not sure how Tuchel is now), but these managers care too much about being the star and showing the world how smart they are. It's like they cannot help but want the win, to be attributed to them by an amazing tactical/formational change than the players.
     
  9. Boandlkramer

    Boandlkramer Member+

    Apr 9, 2009
    Samma Weltmeister!
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Man city most certainly won’t play at all against Bayern
     
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  10. hava

    hava Member+

    Apr 30, 2016
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Yeah, that was my attempt of a joke. Too many experts acted as if ManCity was already in the semis totally neglecting that there was still a game to play.
     
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  11. Boandlkramer

    Boandlkramer Member+

    Apr 9, 2009
    Samma Weltmeister!
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    I feel like we are fortunate to not have to play CITEH.

    The media distraction and his familiarity with the team is one of those intangibles that I’m glad we don’t have to worry about.
     
  12. BvB_Peon

    BvB_Peon Member

    Apr 14, 2016
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Well you were right, they won't beat City in the semi-finals ;-)
    Also, you may be over estimating Pep just a tad bit...
     
  13. Jiri Havran

    Jiri Havran Member

    Apr 8, 2016
    Oslo
    Club:
    Shanxi Baorong
    Nat'l Team:
    Czechia
    Well, everybody can make mistakes. Now I hope Leipzig beat PSG, and we’ll have all German final.
    Unless Lyon surprises us once more ...
     
  14. eaglespark

    eaglespark Member+

    Apr 9, 2015
    Club:
    Crystal Palace FC
    PSG were too good for Leipzig. The Leipzig team just lacks quality especially without Werner. I would take the Leverkusen and Gladbach squads over them. It's a great achievement from Nagelsmann.

    Neymar was quality. He was a level above everyone on the pitch, though he greedily tried to steal the third goal.

    A very good achievement from Leipzig though.
     
  15. BVBFNM

    BVBFNM Member+

    Apr 3, 2016
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    In light of what RB Leipzig accomplished under Nagelsmann I wish I could personally point it out to Watzke and ask him: What's your fvcking excuse?
     
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  16. hava

    hava Member+

    Apr 30, 2016
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    I'd say the likes of Neymar and Mbappe have to like the kind of space and opportunities offered by Bayern at times. They are vulnerable in defense. With Davies, you'd think he'll eventually make a crucial mistake due to his age and aggressive style but he can repair so much with his pace. Süle/Boateng and Alaba also don't look like the most solid CB duo.
     
  17. Boandlkramer

    Boandlkramer Member+

    Apr 9, 2009
    Samma Weltmeister!
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    It was kind of weird she and Perisic were switched a few short moments
     
  18. BVBFNM

    BVBFNM Member+

    Apr 3, 2016
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Who is "she"?
     
  19. Boandlkramer

    Boandlkramer Member+

    Apr 9, 2009
    Samma Weltmeister!
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    A damn Typo. *he
     
  20. Jiri Havran

    Jiri Havran Member

    Apr 8, 2016
    Oslo
    Club:
    Shanxi Baorong
    Nat'l Team:
    Czechia
    After the game yesterday, continuing from the studio, there came a tweet that said the entire starting 11 costed Bayern £ 80m. That is, I have to say, good business model. Don’t know how they achieved that, once everybody had to start from scratch, but in the last 15-20 years they must have worked hard to come in this position. On transfer marked we can’t compete with them, the only good thing that could happen to us would be winning or come far in the CL 2-3 times, to gain some economic power .,, but that can never happen with Favre
     
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  21. hava

    hava Member+

    Apr 30, 2016
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    True, they did something right over decades as the basis but they also had helpful circumstances. A fantastic generation when they entered the league, they got a stadium at a time when ticket income was way more important and they got a stranglehold over a region that became very prosperous with major industrial players investing in them. And they certainly built from their position of power.

    Not that it's very relevant but Perisic is on loan + Lewa and Goretzka joined on free transfers. You cannot fault them for that but that is why these number games can be deceiving. They deserve credit for getting players like Gnabry, Davies and Kimmich early and cheap but the number looks a bit different when you also consider who came in and who was on the bench. Hernandez, Coman and Tolisso cost around 140 million €.
     
  22. Alex C

    Alex C Member+

    Oct 27, 2015
    Chatham
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    #172 Alex C, Aug 20, 2020
    Last edited: Aug 20, 2020
    I agree they often recruit well, but the 80m thing is misleading given their bench v Lyon cost.258m.

    Much like BVB, in the last few years they have also wasted a fair amount/overpaid, especially on French signings plus Renato Sanches who was a spectacular flop..

    Where they have had a lot of success is when they have brought in younger/cheaper players who have developed into world class performers, and then, unlike Dortmund, are able to keep them during their prime.,
     
  23. Jiri Havran

    Jiri Havran Member

    Apr 8, 2016
    Oslo
    Club:
    Shanxi Baorong
    Nat'l Team:
    Czechia
    Sure, Renato Sanches was a huge flop, but so was Götze (both for us and for them, though more for us), Schürle, Toprak, Sahin and many others.
    About developing talents, I still think we gave up too soon on Isak and Gomez, even if they were not as big as Davies and Kimmich
     
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  24. Alex C

    Alex C Member+

    Oct 27, 2015
    Chatham
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Fully agree on Isak and Gomez.
     
  25. podrinje

    podrinje Member+

    Borussia Dortmund
    Bosnia and Herzegovina
    Oct 10, 2013
    Bay Area!
    Club:
    Alemannia Aachen
    Nat'l Team:
    Bosnia-Herzegovina
    According to figures released by Kicker today, Bayern will break the CL earning record set by barcelona in 2019 (119M) where they are due to make 123M guaranteed. This figure will jump to 130M if they beat PSG in the final.

    This just increases the distance to BVB even more.
     

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