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Discussion in 'World Cup 2026 - Refereeing' started by MassachusettsRef, Jun 2, 2026.

  1. sulfur

    sulfur Member+

    Oct 22, 2007
    Ontario, Canada
    Yes.
     
  2. Lloyd Heilbrunn

    Lloyd Heilbrunn Member+

    Club: Inter Miami
    Feb 11, 2002
    Jupiter, Fl.
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Thanks!
     
  3. RedStar91

    RedStar91 Member+

    Sep 7, 2011
    Club:
    FK Crvena Zvezda Beograd


    These teams played four years wearing their traditional colors!!!
     
  4. Beau Dure

    Beau Dure Member+

    May 31, 2000
    Vienna, VA
    I vaguely remember an MLS broadcast in which one team was asked to change shirt colors for TV, and one player was livid. IIRC, it was Hristo Stoitchkov, which I'm sure is not a surprise to anyone.
     
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  5. AndyMead

    AndyMead Homo Sapien

    Nov 2, 1999
    Seat 12A
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    The DC, MetroStars game at RFK that was delayed because someone had to drive out to the old Redskins training ground that United took over near Dulles - during rush hour - to grab DC's other jerseys?

    MLS Cup 2000 where ESPN rented a production truck with black/white monitors (it was 2000) forcing the Chicago Fire into white despite the league having announced that it would be the Wizards in blue and Fire in red earlier in the week?

    I think Hristo was in both those games.
     
  6. Dayton Ref

    Dayton Ref Member+

    May 3, 2012
    Houston, TX
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    I had this on a match earlier this year. Field player uniform on the left looks mostly white on the front on TV and on the match notification. It was the second week of the season and the goalkeeper on the right didn't have another color available from this year or last year.

    Two months later I got a match notification with the same colors. We contacted the league and got the gk to change.
     

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  7. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    As we await the next two assignments, some rumor-mongering. This guy isn't ArbitroInternacional, but he has seemed to be "in the know" on Asian stuff in the past. I know I said elsewhere I've seen no discussion about Collina stepping down, so wanted to acknowledge this prediction here:



    I've heard elsewhere that Busacca is done after this tournament, so that part of the prediction tracks for me. Which makes me start to consider if this is more than "just expectations" from a random X account.
     
  8. RedStar91

    RedStar91 Member+

    Sep 7, 2011
    Club:
    FK Crvena Zvezda Beograd
    So Marciniak's last ever match is coming up?
     
  9. Baka_Shinpan

    Baka_Shinpan Member+

    Mar 28, 2011
    Between the posts
    Club:
    Vegalta Sendai
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
    My expectations for the upcoming phase in the world of refereeing:

    - Appointment of Massimo Busacca as head of refereeing management in one of the Gulf countries.

    - Retirement of Pierluigi Collina from the presidency of FIFA's referees committee after years of leading the file.

    - Selection of Polish referee Szymon Marciniak as the new president of FIFA's referees committee.

    Just expectations.
     
  10. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It’s just one guy!

    Remember when I thought/knew who was going to lead CONCACAF?
     
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  11. SouthRef

    SouthRef Member+

    Jun 10, 2006
    USA
    Club:
    Rangers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  12. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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  13. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Good luck tomorrow, Mr. Pinheiro:



     
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  14. RedStar91

    RedStar91 Member+

    Sep 7, 2011
    Club:
    FK Crvena Zvezda Beograd
    So, we will really go through all 104 matches without a 2CT red card? Really incredible and just shameless from Collina and Busacca the kind of environment they have created.

    Bring back Sepp Blatter.
     
  15. soccerref69420

    soccerref69420 Member+

    President of the Antonio Miguel Mateu Lahoz fan cub
    Mar 14, 2020
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea DPR
    Sad how refs are supposed to be courageous to make tough decisions, then they’re led by two massive cowards who handcuff their referees because they don’t want to hold players accountable for their actions that will “mess up the spectacle”. Like Lahoz in the Argentina-Netherlands game. These refs bust their ass for years to get here, then get told to not enforce the laws.

    All Joao Pinhiero has to do is give the cards that are deserved, AND WE WIN. Do it Pinhiero, this is a time for extreme courage!
     
  16. GoneSouth

    GoneSouth Member

    Oct 27, 2011
    Outside of this board, I haven’t seen anyone complaining about a lack of yellow cards. Which is presumably why they are doing it this way
     
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  17. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I don't know about that. I don't think anywhere outside this forum is there a "hey, more yellow cards would be awesome" campaign. But at the same time I'm on a text chain with about 20 friends who play in an FPL (EPL) private league (only 3 of us are referees!)... almost every single match there's at least one "holy hell, how is that not yellow?" text. So the common fan, so to speak, is seeing it. They are just most likely seeing it in individual cases.

    I do think the more sophisticated observer of the game--and no, not just referees--recognizes that overall play would be better if more cynical play was addressed earlier. So, yes, more cards could improve the product. The problem is that the suspension rules are stupid and therefore more cards don't just free up attacking play in a given match, but make it more likely that start (or just starting) players miss matches.

    I've always had a radical approach here. Tell referees to give cards liberally but do away with all yellow card accumulation rules. I'd be perfectly happy with a tournament that had 5.5 yellow per game but no one got suspended unless they saw red. The on-field product would be better. But not enough important people realize that or think that way.
     
  18. RedStar91

    RedStar91 Member+

    Sep 7, 2011
    Club:
    FK Crvena Zvezda Beograd
    I don't really think the lack of yellow cards is primarily driven by the suspension due to accumulation in as much as FIFA doesn't want teams to go down to 10 players.

    I think that's 75-85% of the reason why.

    They have already softened the suspension rules as is to where they are cleared after the group stage and after the quarterfinals.
     
  19. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It's hard to put a percentage on these things, but I honestly think we over-estimate how much it's really about accumulation or 10 v 11. Sure, part of it might be. But you can further ease accumulation if necessary. And you could have instruction be "give yellows, but be 150% sure on second yellows" if it was the 2CT issue.

    My simplistic take is that it's always really been a (very misguided) feeling that more cards means more referee involvement and more of a feeling that the game is too physical or not about the players. I mean, you hear this all the time from our more, ahem, British commentators when. you start getting into the 5, 6, 7, 8 yellow card games. It never fails. The referee has become the star. The referee has made it about himself. The referee is card happy. That was ticky tack. That was his first one. Etc. etc. etc.

    If you just don't give the cards, commentators and fans can't say that. Voila, problem solved.

    We know that cards are management tools and can set the tone or be remedial. They can open up the game to more attacking soccer. They are a value-add, not a problem. But that philosophy is narrowly held outside a majority of the referee community (and, to be clear, we all know a minority of the referee community holds the British commentator philosophy!).

    Cards are bad. It's why Sandor Puhl got the 1994 Final after the 1990 Final happened. It's why so much of what we have now stems from the WC10 Final and the Portugal-Netherlands 2006 game (notwithstanding the valid argument that more cards earlier, including reds, might have helped both matches). Collina and Busacca might have an element of cowardice to them, but they are also doing their jobs as directed. And this "cards are bad" philosophy comes from the top.
     
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  20. Crewster

    Crewster Member+

    Jan 28, 2005
    Worthington
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I would suggest one of the following changes:

    1. Suspension after 3 yellow cards instead of 2

    2. Suspension only for 2 yellow cards in consecutive games
     
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  21. jarbitro

    jarbitro Member+

    Mar 13, 2003
    N'Djamena, Tchad
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Tangental story: 20 plus years ago I was involved in "negotiations" with NCAA rules committee about number of cautions until a suspension. It used by to be 3 and then a suspension, and that carried over into the playoffs. Coaches were concerned about suspensions for the playoffs. I roll into the meeting between my group (representing the coaches) with the NISOA rep to discuss recommending a change to the NCAA. My group came prepared to aruge we should move from 3 to 4 for a playoff suspension, and we didn't expect it to go anywhere. The NISOA rep started the meeting by saying "we would be willing to move to eight." We had to slow down and take a breath so we didn't seem too anxious to say yes, as eight functionally ment an end to playoff suspensions for YCs. I haven't been involved w NCAA for about 15 years now, so I"m not sure where they are now, but I doubt they've changed.

    Basically cautions can be a game control measure for referees and you don't want to get too far in the weeds of having a player suspended for something that was discretionary for a referee. I do remember Sandy Hunt encouraging referees at a youth regionals (region IV) to go the administrators table to find out what players are on the verge of a suspension for YC accumulation, so that if there was, say, a wall that encroached you didn't accidentally card a plyaer on the verge of suspension, but you could choose someone else. Day 2 of the tournament we had referees for U12 girls games lined up out the trailer and into the parking lot to get caution info for a team's second game, i suppose to find out who was cautioned in game 1. Probably literally the dumbest advice ever given referees at a youth tournament. What you get is a whole nudder level of game management where a referee is dealing with things that do not even relate to the game in front of them. I know the World Cup is different than regionals, but only by degree and not by concept.
     
  22. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I admire Gary Kasparov for several reasons. Have followed him on X. In the past couple weeks I've noticed he was a full-on conspiracy theorist with FIFA and refereeing. His timeline on this topic is just... bad. Now he's taken the next step and published an op-ed in the Washington Post:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...d-cup-shows-machines-dont-guarantee-fairness/

    It's very disappointing for a man this intelligent to not at least consider some of the factors that he doesn't know about.
     
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  23. LordofBrewtown

    Wigan Athletic
    United States
    Nov 19, 2018
    I am in favor of #2. If you can go one game without a yellow, any previous yellow is cleared.
     
  24. Beau Dure

    Beau Dure Member+

    May 31, 2000
    Vienna, VA
    Never meet your heroes.

    Seriously -- Kasparov is one of the world's most essential intellectuals in my book. This is depressing.
     
  25. Hararea

    Hararea Member+

    Jan 21, 2005
    This is definitely part of who Kasparov is. I attended a lecture or two of his a few years after his groundbreaking loss to Deep Blue. He was still pushing his conspiracy theory that they had cheated.

    Semi-related, I recently tried to read some of David Mamet's political writing. I imagined that since he's a great playwright it couldn't be that bad. Turns out he's absolutely full of bats*** conspiracy theories.

    It's possible that people who are recognized as extremely insightful also develop too much self-belief.
     

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