Other…

Discussion in 'World Cup 2026 - Refereeing' started by MassachusettsRef, Jun 2, 2026.

  1. RedStar91

    RedStar91 Member+

    Sep 7, 2011
    Club:
    FK Crvena Zvezda Beograd
  2. StarTime

    StarTime Member+

    United States
    Oct 18, 2020
    Back when a DC United coach got (ridiculously) fired for the same circle game joke, under the absurd “white supremacy” reasoning, I thought about keeping a running list of all the times I saw people make that sign in non-race-related contexts, because it genuinely happens all the time. Either as a circle game or, even more commonly, an “ok hand” signal. These controversies are patently ridiculous. Intent matters, and anyone with a speck of common sense knows the intent has nothing to do with race. It sounds ridiculous to even type this out.

    That said, I don’t think it’s professional for a match official to be playing any kind of “games” while they’re working a match. But things need to be kept in proportion here. Any news article suggesting he’s a white supremacist should be shamed. The toxic media environment we live in is gross.
     
    Baka_Shinpan, Barciur and JasonMa repped this.
  3. Lloyd Heilbrunn

    Lloyd Heilbrunn Member+

    Club: Inter Miami
    Feb 11, 2002
    Jupiter, Fl.
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I am baffled by the repeated "you can't give a corner with VAR, but you can only take one away".

    If a mistake was made, correct the mistake.

    I don't understand the dichotomy.
     
    GoneSouth repped this.
  4. GoneSouth

    GoneSouth Member

    Oct 27, 2011
    I don’t think there’s a basis to assume one way or the other right now. Yes, it’s a symbol for the circle game, but it’s also a fairly well known white supremecist symbol at this point. I believe someone either in this thread or elsewhere confirmed that that’s known in Australia.

    I think it’s fair for articles to point that out. I’m not sure what basis there is at this point to just assume it’s the more innocuous explanation.
     
    Beau Dure repped this.
  5. GoneSouth

    GoneSouth Member

    Oct 27, 2011
    The explanation given is that they want to avoid goals being scored from wrongly awarded corners (similar to a foul in the APP). But I agree it’s not a very convincing distinction
     
  6. socal lurker

    socal lurker Member+

    May 30, 2009
    It’s all about perception. No one (except us geeks) remembers a GK that should have been a CK. But everyone will remember a goal that scores from a CK that should have been a GK. (No one will ever know that then denied CK would have led to the game winning goal.)

    nonetheless, I agree it is a totally stupid decision by IFAB (who claim to support attacking soccer)
     
    JasonMa repped this.
  7. Lloyd Heilbrunn

    Lloyd Heilbrunn Member+

    Club: Inter Miami
    Feb 11, 2002
    Jupiter, Fl.
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Plus it gives an excuse for John Strong to constantly cite the quote above, ad nauseam.
     
  8. Pelican86

    Pelican86 Member

    United States
    Jun 13, 2019
    In one of the articles about the law changes, I believe there was a quote from somebody at FIFA or IFAB that they were confident they could get the reviews done before the average corner kick would be taken (I seem to recall 25 seconds as the number given for an average corner kick). Even if a team is a behind, they usually spend a fair bit of time getting their center backs forward and having their corner kick taker run across the field.

    The only semi-plausible explanation I can think of for the CK/GK discrepancy is that trying to reverse goal kicks would require things to get done much more quickly, because it is very possible that a team (especially if they're down a goal) takes a goal kick much more quickly than 25 seconds.

    On the other hand, the laws say that the game shouldn't be held up to reverse a quickly taken corner, so you could also say that if a team gets the GK taken quickly, good for them and there's no reversal. But I do think there's a pretty big difference between the minimum time needed for a corner and the minimum time needed for a goal kick, and that may have been a factor in the law change.
     
  9. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Looks like they stopped showing the VAR room pre-match after the "incident" yesterday.
     
  10. weka

    weka Member+

    Dec 9, 2011
    What? No, I thoroughly enjoyed the 'Everyone-look-at-an-angle' stylized shot. /s
     
    JasonMa repped this.
  11. El Rayo Californiano

    Feb 3, 2014
    BBC has images from three subsequent matches.
     
  12. soccerref69420

    soccerref69420 Member+

    President of the Antonio Miguel Mateu Lahoz fan cub
    Mar 14, 2020
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea DPR
    I saw the clip that caused all the hubbub about the white supremacist signal. Evans was just playing the circle game, what are you all upset about

     
    StarTime repped this.
  13. RefIADad

    RefIADad Member+

    United States
    Aug 18, 2017
    Des Moines, IA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    "Working vacation" today, so I'm at home today with the games on. These rectangular referee watches look like bricks. I thought my Apple Watch Ultra was big. All of the officials will have one forearm larger than the other after wearing those suckers for a few games.
     
  14. SouthRef

    SouthRef Member+

    Jun 10, 2006
    USA
    Club:
    Rangers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    i believe those are the GLT indicators
     
  15. RefIADad

    RefIADad Member+

    United States
    Aug 18, 2017
    Des Moines, IA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think you’re right. No way a referee misses a goal signal with those.
     
  16. StarTime

    StarTime Member+

    United States
    Oct 18, 2020
    I considered not letting myself get baited into this nonsense but whatever:

    The basis is that the circle game is a widespread, extremely common game that most people are familiar with, while very few normal people outside of certain US-centric political bubbles have even heard of the “white supremacist” interpretation and an extraordinarily small number of extremists even use it in that way. And heck, even more people than the circle game use the gesture to say “ok.” Theres even an emoji named after that! If you think that the “white supremacy” connotation is anywhere near as common as the gesture’s other use cases, I don’t know what to tell you other than you may be hanging out with some bad people.

    Also, the circle game is almost always done by holding the gesture below the waist while posing for a photo. Which is exactly what we had here.

    Any media outlet drawing a false equivalence between the two possible interpretations is not doing their job.

    I’m sorry that I had to walk you through this in such detail.
     
    Baka_Shinpan and frankieboylampard repped this.
  17. seattlebeach

    seattlebeach Member

    AFC Richmond
    May 11, 2015
    Not Seattle, Not Beach
    Maybe, I don’t know. Probably he’s not a white supremacist. Probably he was just playing a game or signaling his kids or whatever. And surely I’m not going to take the FIFA racism partner all that seriously.

    One thing I think we can all agree on, though, is do not use this moment that you’ve been working towards for decades to be cute. His World Cup is over, and no one will be talking about this in a day, but what a silly way to go out.
     
  18. StarTime

    StarTime Member+

    United States
    Oct 18, 2020
    I agree, it’s not professional of him at all. But there’s a big difference between running a story about a match official joking around before a game, vs running a story saying alleging that he could be a white supremacist.
     
  19. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think you misquoted something in this post
     
    Barciur, Beau Dure, SouthRef and 2 others repped this.
  20. seattlebeach

    seattlebeach Member

    AFC Richmond
    May 11, 2015
    Not Seattle, Not Beach
    One item that has so far been unremarked upon is the Temu-level quality of the corner flags, which look like someone ordered the cheapest dish towels you can find on Amazon and laid them on top of PVC from FIFA World Cup 2026 sponsor The Home Depot (TM).
     

    Attached Files:

  21. El Rayo Californiano

    Feb 3, 2014
    I mean, say what you want about the symbols of white supremacy, Dude, at least it's an ethos.
     
    MassachusettsRef repped this.
  22. StarTime

    StarTime Member+

    United States
    Oct 18, 2020
    Indeed, I meant to click the message above it.
     
    JasonMa repped this.
  23. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Have we had no VAR penalty reviews in 13 matches? And only two penalties total (Canada and Germany)?
     
    El Rayo Californiano and code1390 repped this.
  24. El Rayo Californiano

    Feb 3, 2014
    I think it was the other red and white team in Group B.
     
    MassachusettsRef repped this.
  25. Beau Dure

    Beau Dure Member+

    May 31, 2000
    Vienna, VA
    They showed the room before KSA-URU. I don’t think anyone even looked at the camera.
     
    frankieboylampard and ubelmann repped this.

Share This Page