Orange, the rebuild starts now

Koeman will be hard pressed not to include Stengs in the final selection after what it looked like a superb show in the Europa League match... he can dribble, cross, score - a smooth operator!

 

Babel and Promes selected over Stengs is making no sense whatsoever. Dismayed. At least Berghuis is in form.

 

Beghuis Babel Strootman please no more

 

Koeman doesn't easily change his mind, obviously.

GK: Zoet! seriously? He is just way below Krul & Bizot in performance.

Defense: Good, no complaints.

Midfield: vdbeek is injured, a huge blow if you ask me. Strootman is not convincing at all since his Knee injury almost 3 years ago, but I don't want to be harsh with him.
I still think our midfield is lacking a true destroyer, someone like Nigel de Jong. de Roon & Propper are good, but we already have a much better player of the same category in Frenkie. If Ake can play aside FdJ in the midfield, I think it's worth trying.

Attack: I am big fan of Promes and was expecting a much better performance from him with Ajax, but if he can't be a starter over Neres with Ajax, then he shouldn't be in Oranje.
Berghius was never really given a proper chance with Oranje and he is an excellent form with Feyenoord, so I am ok with him even as starter. In my opinion he brings something different to the table than all other players in our front line. What I don't understand though is Babel. He was given enough chances, and has never been convincing. There are much better, younger, more eager players who deserve his spot.

 

Anyway, this is my starting line-up for the Germany game:

________ Cillessen ________

Veltman __ de Ligt ___ VVD ___ Blind

_____ Ake _______ FdJ ______
_______ Gini _______

Berghius ___ Memphis___ Bergwijn

Malen, Propper & PVA to come in the 2nd half if needed.

 

I also think ake should start in the midfield along side frenkie. One thing is for certain though, Dest is not in KNVBs plan for crossover. I mean why select veltman when Dest is showing far more better potential than him. If not Dest than why not karsdorp or janmaat for that matter. Koeman last time out, selected tete when he was warming bench at Lyon and now when he is playing, he doesn't get selected. Danny blind was doing the same thing when he f*cked everything.

 

Netherlanda are pretty weak at RB and Dest is one of the best RB prospects in the world. Pretty easy to understand why most of us really want the KNVB to pursue him. Everyone compares Veltman and Dest because they are on the same team and Dest is already better. Yes he is young and raw, but he is someone you have to take a chance on to lock up. Just look at how well he played the other day in a critical match.

My starting RB right now would be Karsdorp. I've always loved him and what he can provide, but I'd be including Dest on the team and giving him some minutes against Estonia

 

Are we just ignoring Dumfries who is better than Dest and Veltman? He should continue to be our starting RB until Karsdorp can show he has form and health back to 100%.

Cillessen
Dumfries - de Ligt - van Dijk - Blind
Ake - de Jong
Malen - Wijnaldum - Memphis
Bergwijn​

Or something like that would be my team. Lord knows the chosen one (Babel) will probably start for some reason.

Also Dest looks bright but he won't be much better than Dumfries, Karsdorp et. al. if at all IMO. He's not on the same level as some of the best RB prospects in the world TAA, Hakimi, Henrichs, Maffeo, AWB, etc.

 

Agree 100% with Dumfries being the best (safest) option for a foreseeable future... has the combination of speed, brute strength and passing/crossing ability - though he needs to limit the WTF moments.

Interesting that Ake has been mentioned a couple times already to play in midfield. When was the last he played there? Not sure a good idea to field a player off position.

 

I think the arguement point was more on veltmans selection to what the selectors should have looked at and in this case as what Venema 20 mentioned about both playing in the same team. I mean can you imagine veltman going to euros. You look at that tete incident when he was selected by koeman even with no game time at lyon.again hateboer was overlooked that time. The conclusion that you get is its all based on the paper .they look at pros and cons and they decide whom should be ticked and whom should be crossed. The same goes for Blind and van annholt but a slightly different situation. Why cant they simply rotate and acertain what individual player can bring.