Opinions on Austin FC joining MLS

Discussion in 'MLS: General' started by golers, Jan 14, 2019.

  1. POdinCowtown

    POdinCowtown Member+

    Jan 15, 2002
    Columbus
    At the moment, there is no plan B. But it's also way too early to panic. Wait until fall of next year. By that time AFC will know better when the new stadium will be finished. UT supposedly asked for an arm and leg to use their facilities so that was part of Precourt being willing to sell the Crew. He wanted to start fresh in his new city and stadium.
     
  2. wingman2468

    wingman2468 Member

    Austin FC
    United States
    May 25, 2018
  3. DonJuego

    DonJuego Member+

    Aug 19, 2005
    Austin, TX
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So an interesting article came across my news feed with potential impact on AFC's stadium access.

    The Phily Inquirer reports on major initiatives of Philadelphia's largest developer of commercial office space, which also has a major presence in Austin, named Brandywine.

    They report that Brandywine is redeveloping the IBM complex between Burnet road and the Commuter rail line north of the new stadium site. Huge project. The report indicates that Brandywine is working with the city to move north to their property the Kramer St. rail station currently to their south. That is the rail station that is supposed to serve the new stadium. We are talking about a move of a quarter mile further away from the stadium.

    The report also indicates that the rail line is going to be upgraded and improved -- which is great news. While it is possible I guess (what they heck do I know?) that they could move the Kramer station North then put in a new station at the stadium I don't know it that is possible or what.

    If they move Kramer and don't build a new station at the stadium -- then the rail line is completely lost as a reasonable transportation method to the stadium.
     
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  4. POdinCowtown

    POdinCowtown Member+

    Jan 15, 2002
    Columbus
    I know it's been a goal of the local transit authority in Austin to make their rail line double tracked. They don't really need a station at the stadium, just a platform since the cars would probably only stop there on game days.

    If they ever get double tracks, they could run trains in both directions and increase capacity dramatically (assuming sufficient demand and rolling stock).
     
  5. DonJuego

    DonJuego Member+

    Aug 19, 2005
    Austin, TX
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    station = platform. I get your point that it would not take a normal station. A small minimal one would do. Good point.

    Do we know whether they would consider that? Are planning that? Or is Brandywine diverting the stadium platform to their property leaving the stadium without train access. While I expect the city would not do that we have all seen this city to stupider things than that -- especially when a powerful private interest is involved. And Brandywine is as big and powerful as it gets around here. Precourt loses in a tug or war with them.
     
  6. POdinCowtown

    POdinCowtown Member+

    Jan 15, 2002
    Columbus
    The city wanted a full station at the stadium. But it would have cost 13 mil and they wanted PSV to pay for it. The PSV counter offer was to make space for a station in their stadium plans but the transit authority could pay for it. So no meeting of minds there and now Brandywine is asking for the Kramer station to be moved.

    PSV is probably counting on trains as part of their ingress/egress plans for McKalla. So they may object to moving from Kramer or put up money for a platform. A barebones platform for a single line should be less than 1 mil. Platforms for 2 lines would require a below grade crossing to get to the far side.
     
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  7. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Not necessarily. The light rail line just opened here in Denver has no below (or above) grade crossing for people to access the other platform. They just allow people to cross the tracks when a train isn't present.
     
  8. POdinCowtown

    POdinCowtown Member+

    Jan 15, 2002
    Columbus
    The Austin light rail is on an embankment above grade next to McKalla.

    Apart from 2 lines meaning more rail traffic is possible, it would be hard for ADA compliance. If they add a second set of tracks, they will needs ramps and stairs to get across and it's more likely to be under than over the rails.
     
  9. ThreeApples

    ThreeApples Member+

    Jul 28, 1999
    Smurf Village
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    A quarter mile isn't a terrible distance for a transit rider to walk. In San Jose most of the stadium parking lots are more than a quarter mile away. But I don't know the geography in Austin. How far away is the station if it isn't moved?
     
  10. stanger

    stanger BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 29, 2008
    Columbus
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    A 1/4 mile isn’t far unless it’s 100 degrees.
     
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  11. DonJuego

    DonJuego Member+

    Aug 19, 2005
    Austin, TX
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The move would make it 1/2 mile away .. but that is as the crow flies. Your going to have to walk closer to a mile by walking West to Burnet road, South on Burnet, then back East a bit to the Stadium site. I’m assuming walking down the railroad right-of-way is not really an option. More realistically, I guess we are talking about a shuttle bus.
     
  12. wingman2468

    wingman2468 Member

    Austin FC
    United States
    May 25, 2018
    A station at brandywine (which has been approved last I remember) would make the travel from rail a mile away, which i assume would be too far for most to consider it convenient.

    This was talked about during the stadium conversations. Future plans for a small rail station were put into the design, but not acted on by Precourt and Cap Metro.
    I doubt a rail at McKalla gets built anytime soon, because of the current close proximity of Kramer. However, when Brandywine inevitably starts developing and then moves the Kramer station, that makes a station at Mckalla more feasible.

    Instead, Precourt elected to give 3 million to the transit authority to use how they see fit. That will definitely include new bus stations and extended routes, which CapMetro planned on doing anyways.
     
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  13. Beerking

    Beerking Member+

    Nov 14, 2000
    Humboldt County
    And humid as a jungle.
     
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  14. SierraSpartan

    SierraSpartan Member+

    Jan 25, 2007
    Placer County, CA
    Club:
    Sacramento Republic FC
     
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  15. Goodsport

    Goodsport Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 18, 1999
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  16. Auriaprottu

    Auriaprottu Member+

    Atlanta Damn United
    Apr 1, 2002
    The back of the bus
    Club:
    Atlanta
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    Nickname: The broccoli patch!
     
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  17. CeltTexan

    CeltTexan Member+

    Sep 21, 2000
    Houston, TX USA
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    My buddies and I are looking forward to taking over this new stadium of theirs.
    That is all.
     
  18. EPJr

    EPJr Member+

    Los Angeles FC
    United States
    Mar 21, 2009
    Richmond VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I would rather had San Antonio but guess this is as close as we are gonna get.
     
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