News: Open Cup not so open this year (or cuppy)

Discussion in 'MLS: News & Analysis' started by JasonMa, Feb 8, 2021.

  1. morrissey

    morrissey Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 18, 2000
    West Los Angeles, Calif
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So does the Coliseum. USC has spent a crap ton of money updating it over the last year or so with new seats, anti-slip surfaces, railings, new press boxes, new tech infrastructure (wifi, large in-stadium screens, etc), luxury boxes, club level, etc. Not sure why that wouldn't be the choice venue for the WC. By the time it rolls around Expo Park is going to be pretty well built up with the Lucas Museum, New Air and Space center for the CA Science Museum, Whatever the LAFC stadium will be called. I have nothing against the Rose Bowl but getting in and out of Expo Park is much easier.
     
  2. crookeddy

    crookeddy Member+

    Apr 27, 2004
    The Coliseum is not on the list of proposed venues for the WC. The Rose Bowl is...
     
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  3. morrissey

    morrissey Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 18, 2000
    West Los Angeles, Calif
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That sucks. That's some real dumbassery by US Soccer. Maybe it will change but I'm guess the Rams stadium with grass on top is what they will do.
     
  4. crookeddy

    crookeddy Member+

    Apr 27, 2004
    I'd imagine the final will be in new York (jersey) and the rose bowl will host a semi. A quarter final or group stage for sofi.
     
  5. morrissey

    morrissey Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 18, 2000
    West Los Angeles, Calif
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Is this is the US/Mex/Canada joint WC? If so do you think they would have two venues in the same city?
     
  6. crookeddy

    crookeddy Member+

    Apr 27, 2004
    In fact, for now ONLY the Rose Bowl is on the list from L.A. County. The reason for that is that US Soccer wanted to avoid having stadiums that aren't yet constructed so that FIFA wouldn't think that Sofi Stadium is being built for the World Cup. The idea was very high profitability - no construction at all. Now that Sofi is already open, perhaps they will make changes to get the stadium some games.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2026_FIFA_World_Cup Proposed venues listed here.

    EDIT: Looks like Sofi is definitely trying to get into the mix. Coliseum still not involved.

    https://www.lagalaxy.com/post/2021/...orkshops-bid-host-2026-fifa-world-cup-matches

    I think the reason the Coliseum doesn't get big soccer matches is that even after renovations, it's still a track and field stadium, with one of the ends being round. It means some fans have seats facing away from the field, any many fans are very far from the field.
     
  7. morrissey

    morrissey Moderator
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    Feb 18, 2000
    West Los Angeles, Calif
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That's a good point. If they do have matches at the Rose Bowl a dedicated bus lane to and from Memorial Station has to happen. Traffic is terrible getting into and out of the Seco.
     
  8. cleazer

    cleazer Member+

    May 6, 2003
    Toledo, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So some MLS teams will play 3 games and some will play 2?

    On the one hand, grabbing 3 points from 2 games will obviously yield you a higher PPG than getting 4 points from 3 games, and similarly, 4 points from 2 games is better than 5 points from 3. But on the other hand, playing a third game obviously gives you a third chance to pick up a win.


    ATL - @ORL, CHI, @NE
    AUS - @LAFC, @COL, @MIN
    CHI - NE, @ATL, @ RBNY
    CIN - @NSH, @ NYC, @ORL
    COL - @DAL, AUS, @VAN
    CLB - PHI, @MON
    DAL - COL, @SJ, POR
    DC - NYC, @NE, @SJ
    HOU - SJ, @POR, LAFC
    LAFC - AUS, SEA, @HOU
    LAG - @MIA, NYRB, @SEA
    MIA - LAG, @PHI, @NSH
    MIN - @SEA, RSL, AUS
    NSH - CIN, MON, MIA
    NE - @CHI, DC, ATL
    NYC - @ DC, CIN, @PHI
    NYRB - SKC, @LAG, CHI
    ORL - ATL, @SKC, CIN
    PHI - @CLB, MIA, NYC
    POR - @VAN, HOU, @DAL
    RSL - @MIN, SKC
    SJ - @HOU, DAL, DC
    SEA - MIN, @LAFC, LAG
    SKC - @ RBNY, ORL, @RSL

    Nashville seemingly with the easiest path. Austin and Cincinnati obviously with the hardest paths. Philadelphia is the one and only team that has to play defending MLS Cup champ Crew. (While two other teams will join the Crew in having to play the defending Supporters Shield winning Union.) Toronto will have no effect whatsoever, as they're the third team after RSL and the Crew to have a bye week, and their only two opponents are fellow Canadians.
     
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  9. mbar

    mbar Member+

    Apr 30, 1999
    Los Angeles, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I can confirm that SoFi is being considered along with the Rose Bowl. Would they use both in this world cup? I have no idea. As much as I hate grass on top of turf I think FIFA will go with SoFi for all the money making suites etc. that it offers.

    One can only hope for a World Cup they'd spend some time and money to get the grass right somehow on top of the turf.
     
  10. mbar

    mbar Member+

    Apr 30, 1999
    Los Angeles, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States


    Not sure if this is true but thought I'd share.
     
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  11. pr0ner

    pr0ner Member+

    Jan 13, 2007
    Alexandria, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  12. mbar

    mbar Member+

    Apr 30, 1999
    Los Angeles, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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  13. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    The official decision announcement was scheduled for April 19 so this is not a surprising leak as far as timing.
     
  14. AndyMead

    AndyMead Homo Sapien

    Nov 2, 1999
    Seat 12A
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
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  15. TrueCrew

    TrueCrew Member+

    Dec 22, 2003
    Columbus, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Later makes all the sense in the world.

    1) Hopefully COVID situation will be better. Vaccinations continue at 3+ million per day despite the J&J snag. Pfizer & Moderna close to EUA for 12 year olds and up. Novavax close to EUA. By Memorial Day, another 100 million+ will have shots.

    2) It would allow more teams in. Open the preliminary rounds back up. Play them late May & June while MLS on break.
     
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  16. SiberianThunderT

    Sep 21, 2008
    DC
    Club:
    Saint Louis Athletica
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    I totally agree that later is better. The only potential snag is if it gets scheduled so much later that the amateur teams' season end before one or more open cup rounds they would normally participate in... Since the Tweets talked about fall, that sounds like what be happening. But if we can get every single pro team involved again, that's probably an okay trade-off.
     
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  17. morrissey

    morrissey Moderator
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    Feb 18, 2000
    West Los Angeles, Calif
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    DC wins the Open Cup!!!!!
     
  18. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So I guess this years USOC is even less open than I thought when I started this thread...
     
  19. TrueCrew

    TrueCrew Member+

    Dec 22, 2003
    Columbus, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Less open, yes. But is it TOAST yet?
     
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  20. TheJoeGreene

    TheJoeGreene Member+

    Aug 19, 2012
    The Lubbock Texas
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    It's now the US Open to Interpretation Cup.
     
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  21. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    If the 2021 U.S. Open Cup had not been postponed/cancelled this would have been the MLS field:

    1. RSL 3.00 PPG
    2. SEA 2.33
    3. NER 2.33
    4. NYC 2.00
    5. SJE 2.00
    6. AUS 2.00
    7. LAG 2.00
    8. ORL 1.67
    ------------------
    9. MTL 1.67
    10. LAX 1.67
    11. FCD 1.33
    12. ATL 1.33
    13. MIA 1.33
    14. HOU 1.33
    15. VAN 1.33
    16. SKC 1.33
    17. COR 1.33

    LAFC would have lost out to Orlando on goal difference. If nothing had changed.
     
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  22. lurak

    lurak Member+

    Aug 24, 2007
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Thank you for not including the Fire and their 0.33 PPG in your table.
     
  23. TrueCrew

    TrueCrew Member+

    Dec 22, 2003
    Columbus, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If they decide to play in the fall, is this still the metric if there are only 8?
     
  24. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    I don't think Canada ever finished the 2020 Championship but they are going to have the 2021 Canadian Championship.

    https://www.canadasoccer.com/news/c...21-canadian-championship-format-and-schedule/

    Preliminary Round
    Sunday, August 15
    (CPL) FC Edmonton v. (CPL) Cavalry FC

    Tuesday, August 17
    (CPL) HFX Wanderers FC v. (PLSQ) AS Blainville

    Saturday, August 21
    (CPL) York United FC v. (L1O) Masters Futbol Academy
    (CPL) Atlético Ottawa v. (CPL) Valour FC

    Thursday, August 26
    (CPL) Pacific FC v. (MLS) Vancouver Whitecaps FC

    Quarter-Final Round (14-22 September 2021)
    (MLS) Toronto, (MLS) Montreal, and (CPL) Forge join the tournament

    Semi-Final Round (28-29 September 2021)

    2021 Canadian Championship Final (19-27 October 2021)
     
  25. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

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