Oooh! Petro Dollars Buys EPL, UEFA & FIFA.. But Can't Buy Youuu! Hey Jude! Bellingham Thread

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  1. .halamadrid2.

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    Yeah, so far I have not seen any indication of this selfish attitude at RM. But we mostly had a successful season last season. They key is how our players react when results aren't going our way and titles slip away from our fingers.

    Think Mbappe showed good attitude for France this past summer so hopefully he can assimilate into the group well.

    QSG was just a toxic shithole.
     
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  2. 4x4s

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    You should listen to the Athletic podcast to better understand it, I went for a walk yesterday and listened to it and it's not so serious, but it's a situation that simply didn't work out as intended. Feels like some people might have been caught by surprise by the sudden aggressive push by Adidas to make him the focal point of the team.
     
  3. .halamadrid2.

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    Both Foden and Jude get the same rating by the Guardian. Peak English media.
     
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  4. 4x4s

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    No they don't. If you go by grade, sure, but they clearly say "this is going to become his team" for Bellingham while "something is missing when he plays for England" for Foden.

    At this point some here are HOPING Bellingham gets treated badly so they can be confirmed in their bias.

    Absolute nonsense.

    If he'd be a Barca player this place would be laughing their butts off at the whole scene.
     
  5. Saeta Rubia

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    Follows it up with "it maybe that they struggle to get him the ball". Alluding it's not his fault but teammates. I saw Foden doing nothing with the ball except against Netherlands. While Saka and Palmer showed take on abilities vs defenders.

    Foden is a protected "superstar". Excuses keep changing for him. First he needs to be #10 and he struggled vs Iceland there when Bellingham was rested. Now Foden has 0 goals/0 assists in whole tournament because his teammates doesn't get him the ball.
     
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  6. 4x4s

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    They clearly say this is Bellinghams team and his rating is absolutely fair. Maybe Foden's is a bit inflated but he did have an excellent season so he probably gets a bit of rope for now.

    I don't think it's this horrible then again, maybe I'm not reading between the lines and going with the narratives enough.
     
  7. Saeta Rubia

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    Jacob Steinberg who gave the rating wanted Bellingham dropped to bench after group stages while Foden did nothing in all 3 games. Same guy who blamed Mainoo for Rice having a bad game against Iceland. His narrative is pretty clear.
     
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  8. .halamadrid2.

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    I think the Adidas ad was mistimed. It was never going to go down well with their other heavyweights. Let's not forget Kane had balon d'or shouts last season too until we won CL.

    Anyways until I see him do it for RM I won't be worried.
     
  9. .halamadrid2.

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    But he does get the same rating. Foden was absolutely useless all campaign. If Jude got a 6 then Foden deserves a 4. How they see the players beyond that is something else. What Jude's role will be after the Euro should not influence the rating they got for this Euro.

    Even worse Saka got an 8 for "running for the team". Biggest joke I have seen
     
  10. Saeta Rubia

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    Adidas has their own motives. Messi isn't playing for a top European club anymore. Mbappe, Vini and Haaland are with Nike. So is Foden so Jude is the face of their football brand now.

    Not many expected England to win anyways and reaching the final was a surprise. Jude also had his individual moment with that bicycle kick. Selling the star image is more important for such companies and Jude already had great success with RM.

    Imagine how often Nike projected Neymar as the one to take Brazil back to greatness. Never won on the pitch but he made them a lot of money selling that superstar image to public.
     
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  11. 4x4s

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    Jude stank for the most part just like most of his team mates did. We can talk about the reasons and what not, but most people in the UK have zero reason to be in love with him the way Real Madrid fans are.

    You have to be a bit more objective here. He came in with the big balls campaign and the open arm celebration like a mega star and performed very much like a Frank Lampard did before him, a lesser version of his club football edition.

    I don't see how this impacts what I think of him as a Real Madrid player. He just wasn't good during the tournament other than in moments.
     
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  12. 4x4s

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    A former Nike exec was in the news saying Neymar was a losing investment. He also said that basically every football contract turns out a loss for the companies within the context of the items linked to the athlete/club, but it's good for the brand in totality.

    But on a purely "how many items does this brand sell for us" basis, every football endorsement is a loss.
     
  13. russian hattie

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    You would think England dropped out at the group stages the way some journalists are going on with their negativity. They got to the final.

    And both finals they have played were lost by quite fine margins. I would say the campaign overall was a success, but instead they want to tear them down just to sell papers and get clicks. They are better ignored and most football fans I know think as much.
     
  14. 4x4s

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    England got a cherry pick path to the final. Met no tough opposition until the Netherlands.

    That's kind of the thing here, they made it dragging their feet there against teams they should realistically win more convincingly.
     
  15. russian hattie

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    Because they topped their group. And other “big” teams failed.
     
  16. 4x4s

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    England could have won the Euro having played:

    Serbia, Denmark, Slovenia, Slovakia, Switzerland, Holland, Spain

    Even with that level of opposition, they didn't have one game where they clicked and won well.
     
  17. J-Mezzy

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    I think only our Brit fans can really tell us what the feelings about Jude in England are.

    We are bit hyper sensitive here in the sense that we magnify the negativity and use it as proof of what we already believe.

    and in today’s vast media world, you will find negative media just about anyone and we use that and say see!!! They hate our guy, they hate us!

    Not saying this perhaps isn’t the case, but i won’t come to that conclusion unless the people living in England tell me that’s actually the case
     
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  18. 4x4s

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    I always remember guys like Lampard, Gerrard, Beckham, being panned for underachieving.

    Somehow feeling like Bellingham is made to be the issue is absolutely untrue and stupid, in fact that player at the center of the criticism is Kane.
     
  19. J-Mezzy

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    All of their stars deserve criticism as not one of them played well. Foden had one good match, Jude had one good match and a HUGE goal, Kane did nothing. Those 3 were their stars and all 3 let them down.
     
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  20. .halamadrid2.

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    We have to make a contrast here. What rating Jude deserves is one thing but my argument is that they have rated Foden and Jude exactly the same. Jude at least had memorable moments and got 2 MOTM awards. Foden was just there.

    Yes I agree Jude failed to live up to the expectations but it still doesn't explain why he and Foden get the same rating or why for instance Saka gets an 8 for bring able to hide behind the Jude/Foden controversy and Kane. Nobody has held him to account and the English media rated him excellently, I mean you'd have to do more than just play a good game against Switzerland to deaerve a freaking 8.

    There is definitely an agenda towards Jude, I am reading the sports news on different papers today and there is alot of mud slinging going on at Jude.
     
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  21. J-Mezzy

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    One thing is for sure

    Palmer has to start over Foden
     
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  22. russian hattie

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    It’s a pretty lame excuse, the kind of stuff we hear about Madrid - they didn’t deserve to win, they didn’t “win well” whatever that means. Or blame the opposition for losing. They got the results they had to, and made it to their second final in as many euro tournaments.

    No England team has ever done as well, and it’s just a shame English journalists can’t find the positives, which are pretty easy to find.
     
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  23. .halamadrid2.

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    #1423 .halamadrid2., Jul 16, 2024
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    Portugal also topped their group, not to mention Germany who should ideally have gone to the final. The real final was essentially Germany v Spain. One game that went to the wire with Spain knicking it in the end
     
  24. .halamadrid2.

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    Palmer should start for sure. If Pep stays at City Foden will be a mainstay in the England XI. Palmer's best chance is coming in for Saka on the right. Jude should ideally play as a B2B with Foden as an AM, Palmer on the right and Gordon on the left. Jude doesn't have the creative knowhow to play as a CAM.
     
  25. russian hattie

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    So unless he wins the tournament it’s an under achievement?? Bellingham has already done more than all of those players for the national team.
     

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