Onyewu...would he be in the startering 11???

The Old Lady Hertha · Jan 29, 2007

Who in hell would replace Boumsong? I'd rather have Onyewu than that idiot. Moore is another example of such an anti-footballer.

Matt Clark · Jan 29, 2007

Errr ... yes. Kind of my point.

Irony. In the US, it just makes your shirty go all smoothy.

The Old Lady Hertha · Jan 29, 2007

mmmm...whatever Kopite

alocksley · Jan 29, 2007

Matt Clark said: ↑

Oh come now. Don't cry. Or scream, for that matter. All I said was that I have seen him play on several occasions and that this probably meant I've seen him more often than 90% of the people who regularly spuff up their kecks at the mere mention of his name. Oh - and that he's pretty ordinary as a player. I also said that. Which, presumably, is why you've fixated on me. That's OK. As to Newcastle, they never have really replaced Jean Alain Boumsong, so this move makes a lot of sense for all concerned.
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Boumsong is one of the worst EPL defenders I've ever seen.

Tsigalko · Jan 29, 2007

Looks like he's going to Newcastle, will save us some drama.

Matt Clark · Jan 29, 2007

alocksley said: ↑

Boumsong is one of the worst EPL defenders I've ever seen.
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Jebus ... do I need to bring crayons to this?

danny_mac3 · Jan 30, 2007

Matt Clark said: ↑

Jebus ... do I need to bring crayons to this?
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Hilarious. I caught your drift immediately, however clarity is best when dealing with certain people.

Dr.Phil · Jan 30, 2007

Tsigalko said: ↑

Looks like he's going to Newcastle, will save us some drama.
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Ya but could have helped your D

navid90 · Jan 30, 2007

danny_mac3 said: ↑

Sigh

Why does this myth persist? Why? A simple plane ticket would prove untrue assertions wrong.
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well ever since america got its national anthem booed in the 2003 confederations cup they all got the feeling that they werent welcome....and here americans dont really like french ppl and make fun of them a lot ..well at least the younger people (28 and under)

guignol · Feb 1, 2007

navid90 said: ↑

well ever since america got its national anthem booed in the 2003 confederations cup they all got the feeling that they werent welcome....
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i was at such a match, and my feelings were really hurt by the booing... but it was being done by brazilians, not french.

golazo68 · Feb 24, 2007

ilv2 said: ↑

Yes, that is a brilliant argument - as if Onyewu would have an immediate effect on scorelines once he arrives. Because, really, passing simplistic judgments and basing the fate of games on player ratings is what happens in football. If you must know, the penalty accorded was completely imaginary and Zubar - the man that Onyewu is supposed to supplant so readily according to those who have posted here - had a legitimate goal ruled offsides.

Generally, it's quite remarkable to note the difference in opinion on this thread, even when the majority of opinions are not based on any logic or knowledge.

Given that you are treating visibility as something quite unknown ("whatever you think you mean by that"), I'll simply say that it is a basic business move. Unfortunately, in football, the understanding of what marketing is has effectively been perverted by your Beckhams, Manchester Uniteds, and Madrids. Viewing marketing as only applicable to huge endorsement, star players, and television deals is comparable to, say, judging an entire team simple by knowing one player. Any move that increases your organization's visibility at some target audience and thus stimulates interest has a marketing element within, and judging from the response on this thread - it is already in effect. There's nothing crazy about looking at the business side of football unless you take it on flight of fancy.

How familiar are you, first of all? Aside from your national team games that are few and far between, how often do you watch the matches of Standard de Liege? I imagine that because you have such a difficult time understanding Ligue 1 and OM, it should be even worse with the Belgian league. And given that club matches constitute easily the majority of games that a player takes part in, the question posed at the top is not too absurd. Sure, you probably have a general idea, but honestly to make a leap from this general image to comparing him with other players that you (and here, I mean all the 'new posters' on the french forum) have never seen, and even stating that he'll take over their positions in the starting eleven is absolutely ridiculous.
Of course players from lesser leagues can succeed in Ligue 1. It is upward mobility and everyone likes that. On the other hand, what you and others are proposing with varying degrees of nuance, is that he's coming to supplant a centerback partnership that is quickly becoming established with each other and working well. In terms of management, that is a terrible plan, which follows terrible logic, and here one has to point out the chronology of the transfers.
However, I can settle with this: "Who said he was guaranteed to start? I agree he has to step up his game- like any player moving to a better league." Although the question of (over)expectation invariably comes up again, and it seems like a whole ocean is dividing french and american opinion.

Nothing, really. It just tells you about the quality of Cisse. The marseille board were shrewd and knew that 1) Benitez doesn't like Cisse 2) Cisse loves OM and 3) Cisse just broke his other leg. Good bargaining positions that enabled them to bring in a physical but not very intelligent striker.

And lastly, don't ever say Marseille is my team. And this is after I told you, damn, at least get that right. I would say that it points out an endemic lack of knowledge of the league, but i'll just leave it at that.
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Fantastic central defense you guys have there. You've been tearing it up, I see.

No way Gooch could have cracked that stellar central pairing

I guess he'll have to settle for STARTING for a BETTER TEAM in a BETTER LEAGUE

ilv2 · Feb 24, 2007

lol the bitterness in that post is so strong that one can literally imagine him sitting in his chair frothing at the teeth in a mad fury to vindicate himself.

The Old Lady Hertha · Feb 25, 2007

^Thats what I'm thinking too.

You would have thought Onyewu just gave the stare to Drogba LOL

I'd like to see how Onyewu does in a full season before I start to talk about any mistakes Marseille did in not signing him...