Only One Way In

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  1. GoHuskies

    GoHuskies New Member

    Nov 12, 2003
    From my understanding, there is only one way the following nine teams can get into post-season play. An at-large bid to the NCAA. Who gets in from this list? My picks at the bottom.

    U of Wash
    Oregon State
    Alabama A&M
    South Carolina

    All other leagues have an automatic berth waiting for either the conference tourney champ or the regular season champ - correct? The PAC-10 doesn't quailify for an automatic berth because they are a 5 team league.

    FWIW- I think UCLA, UWash, and California are locks. And I think Stanford and SC will get in also.
  2. Bumptious Rex

    Bumptious Rex New Member

    Mar 3, 2002
    How many spots are open?
  3. Sandon Mibut

    Sandon Mibut Member+

    Feb 13, 2001
    Here's something I did on some bubble teams.

    As point of explanation, "good wins" are wins over teams with a good record or power ranking, "good losses" are losses to teams with a good record or power ranking and "bad losses" are losses to teams with a bad record or power ranking.

    Alabama-Birmingham - 9-6-0
    GOOD WINS - Charlotte
    GOOD LOSSES - Portland, UNC Greensboro, Saint Louis, Memphis, Kentucky
    BAD LOSSES - Davidson
    STILL TO PLAY - 11/3 @ Louisville (5-8-4), 11/6 DePaul (3-13-3), CUSA Tournament
    THOUGHTS: All but one of their losses are to teams with winning records but only two of their wins come vs. teams above .500 and neither of them are highly ranked. They're going to have to make some noise in their conference tournament to help their chances.

    Clemson - 8-7-0
    GOOD WINS - Brown
    GOOD LOSSES - UNC Greensboro, Duke, South Carolina, Virginia, Wake Forest, Maryland
    BAD LOSSES - Hofstra
    STILL TO PLAY - @Furman (6-8-1), North Carolina (8-7-2)
    THOUGHTS: When your best win is over an Ivy League team with seven wins, you're in trouble. And, the Hofstra loss sure doesn't help. The Tiggers need to win out and have to win AT LEAST one game in the ACC Tournament.

    Connecticut - 8-7-2
    GOOD WINS - West Virginia (also tied VCU)
    GOOD LOSSES - Washington, Michigan, UC Santa Barbara, St. John's, Boston College, Seton Hall, Notre Dame
    BAD LOSSES - None
    STILL TO PLAY - @Providence (0-14-0), Big East Tournament
    THOUGHTS: The Huskies play a very ambitious non-con schedule but they didn't beat any of them and they haven't beaten any of the Big East's elite teams, either. The Providence win won't help their Strength of Schedule any so they're going to need a nice run in the conference tournament.

    Furman - 6-8-1
    GOOD WINS - Princeton, South Carolina
    GOOD LOSSES - UNC Greensboro, Coastal Carolina, Charleston
    BAD LOSSES - Mercer, Georgia Southern, Davidson, Appalacian State
    STILL TO PLAY - Clemson (8-7-0), @Radford (6-5-4), Southern Conference Tournament
    THOUGHTS: Even if they get above .500, it's tough to get an at large-bid when you have this many soft losses. Likely need to win the automatic bid.

    North Carolina - 8-7-2
    GOOD WINS - Ohio State, Virginia, South Carolina, William & Mary (also tied Penn State,
    GOOD LOSSES - Florida International, VCU, Old Dominion, UNC Greensboro, Duke, Maryland, Wake Forest
    BAD LOSSES - None
    STILL TO PLAY - Clemson (8-7-0), ACC Tournament
    THOUGHTS: Given their quality wins and that all their losses are to good teams, a win over Clemson ought to do it for them though another W in the tournament should seal the deal.

    Portland - 9-6-1
    GOOD WINS - Alabama-Birmingham, Charleston, Washington, Akron,
    GOOD LOSSES - South Carolina, Loyola Marymount (twice), Santa Clara, San Francisco
    BAD LOSSES - UC Irvine,
    STILL TO PLAY - @ California (11-3-2), @ Santa Clara (12-4-0), @ San Francisco (11-3-1) @ St. Mary's (3-8-5)
    THOUGHTS: Given the quality wins they already have and that most of their losses are too good teams, two more wins ought to put them in good shape for the NCAAs, especially since at leat one of the wins would be against a team with at least 11 wins. Of course, getting only one win, especially if it's St. Mary's, and they are going to be pretty nervous on selection day.

    Rutgers - 6-8-4
    GOOD WINS - Michigan, Charleston, Boston College (also tied William & Mary and St. John's)
    GOOD LOSSES - Old Dominion, Hartwick, Notre Dame
    BAD LOSSES - Syracuse,
    STILL TO PLAY - None.
    THOUGHTS: A losing record and not making your conference tournament pretty much seals your fate. No NCAA's for the Scarlet Knights.

    Saint Louis - 8-7-1
    GOOD WINS - Virginia, SW Missouri State, Alabama-Birmingham, (also tied South Florida)
    GOOD LOSSES - Southern Methodist, St. John's, Charlotte, Memphis, Indiana
    BAD LOSSES - George Mason, Cincinnati,
    STILL TO PLAY - CUSA Tournament
    THOUGHTS: The bad losses are really coming back to haunt the Billikens, as are not getting better results against up-and-coming teams like Memphis and Charlotte. They must win at least one game in their tournament but likely need two to ensure a bid. A first round loss and they don't get a bid.

    San Diego - 6-7-3
    GOOD WINS - Santa Clara, (also tied Portland)
    GOOD LOSSES - California, Stanford, Portland, San Francisco, Cal St. Northridge, Loyola Marymount (twice)
    BAD LOSSES - (also tied Dartmouth and St. Mary's)
    STILL TO PLAY - St. Mary's (3-8-5), San Francisco (11-3-5), @UCLA (10-2-2), @ Santa Clara (12-4-0)
    THOUGHTS: Obviously, they needs some wins just to get above .500. The good news is that three of their remaining games are against quality teams so if they get three Ws, they'd be two games up with some good wins on their resume and would have a good case. If they don't win at least three more games, however, and they likely don't get in.

    Stanford - 7-4-5
    GOOD WINS - Southern Methodist, (also tied Tulsa, California, Washington)
    GOOD LOSSES - Santa Clara, UCLA twice), Washington
    BAD LOSSES - None (but tied UC Davis)
    STILL TO PLAY - UC Santa Barbara (13-2-1), California (11-3-2)
    THOUGHTS: Only four losses but only seven wins, though there are some ties against some good teams. The Cardinal don't have much room for error, especially since they only have one good win, so they really need to win at least one of their remaining games.
  4. GoHuskies

    GoHuskies New Member

    Nov 12, 2003
    There will be 22 (I believe) automatic bids (league or conference tourney champ) and 26 at-large bids.

    At-large candidates include anyone who didn't get an automatic bid.

    However, the 9 teams in the list above cannot get an automatic bid and can only get in as at-large teams.

    There is not a predefined number of open spots for the above nine teams.
  5. thisisstupid

    thisisstupid Member

    Oct 31, 2003
    Great post Sandon.
    Interested to know your thoughts on the Big Ten bubble teams.
    Namely Ohio State, Northwestern, Michigan and Penn State.
    Also, what about Duke? Are they secure despite their recent fallings?
    How about LMU out west or even a team like SWMS?
  6. Dsocc

    Dsocc Member

    Feb 13, 2002
    I agree, and don't think Drury, Alabama A&M or IPFW stand a chance.
  7. RobtheAggie

    RobtheAggie Member+

    Sep 10, 2001
    Middle Georgia
    Rochester Rhinos
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I agree.

    I think that most of the at-large teams will be from the larger conferences. The CAA should get about three or four total votes.

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