Online petition to place FC Dallas 96 and the Chicago Fire together in the East

murtaugh29 · Nov 1, 2004

From KC's $5 WCF ticket release:

KC Wizards said:

"The Wizards organization wants to make sure that this Conference Championship game against our biggest rival, the Los Angeles Galaxy, is accessible to and affordable for all long-time Wizards supporters, the entire youth soccer and business community as well as all Kansas City area sports fans."
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If KC's front office believes truly that LA is their biggest rival they above all will want to remain in the West.

dabes2 · Nov 1, 2004

murtaugh29 said:

This is a pretty good realignment idea from the MLS forum that should get more attention here and in general. It's not perfect but I think it pleases the most number of people without screwing things up too much.
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I agree. This system might be easy to criticize, but it would probably be very difficult to do better.

Greddy · Nov 1, 2004

Even though I think Kansas City should be the team to move, I'm going to sign this potition just to make sure no one suggests moving the Fire to the west. In my opinion, that move would be horrendous.

REMOVED · Nov 1, 2004

ElJefe said:

OK, I know that some of you don't really care too much about putting FC Dallas 96 and the Chicago Fire together in the same conference. Some of you don't really care that much the Brimstone Cup at all. Some of you would like to see a single table more than anything else because you want all those cool kids in Europe to like us more.

Then don't bother with this petition.

However, many of us think that the Brimstone Cup rivalry is A Good Thing for the league, many of us think that splitting Dallas and Chicago in 2002 was detrimental to the rivalry, and many of us would like to see Dallas and Chicago together again to help stoke the flames of rivalry.

If you're one of those people, go to http://www.PetitionOnline.com/mls2005/petition.html and let the suits at Major League Soccer know how you feel.
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I signed your petition- although I am for a single table. I will basically sign any petition that has soccer in it.

murtaugh29 · Nov 4, 2004

bump. 174. let's at least get it over 200.

JeffGMc · Nov 4, 2004

murtaugh29 said:

bump. 174. let's at least get it over 200.
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You want me to sign it twice?

murtaugh29 · Nov 4, 2004

preferably, no.

barnburner13 · Nov 7, 2004

I was #183....we have a looong way to go if this is even going to get noticed.

murtaugh29 · Nov 7, 2004

it's all about presentation. getting it physically in the hands (and not just online) of the leadership will make an impact.

Again I have no pretensions that it will work other than to tell the league and the clubs involved what the will of vocal fans is in this matter.

murtaugh29 · Nov 8, 2004

over 200 now. i'll compile and ship this week. Thanks to everyone for signing.

SixKick · Nov 8, 2004

Did Ante Razov really sign it at #104?

murtaugh29 · Nov 10, 2004

Good news and some discouraging news but not giving up the fight:

http://www.3rddegree.net/thirdindex.cfm?page=article&show=482

FCD opener "probably" on ESPN2 in afternoon.** "We asked for Chicago."
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This is very good, shows we made a dent in this area. IK stand by my vow that if we are Dallas' home opener S8C will coordinate a major roadtrip to Dallas for that game. (maybe as the first major trip of the 05 season)

League GMs voted 9-1 for Dallas west (not that it's their decision) only KC voted against.** "It's highly likely FCD is in the West"** FC Dallas themselves asked to stay in West.** Elliott suggested single table and idea was shot down.
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Curt Johnson voted against having Dallas move West. Peter and Greg Elliot voted for Dallas to the West. Brimstone Committee is preparing final packets to submit to the league with petitions, quotes, and letters to make their case and they should go out tommorrow. not giving up.

murtaugh29 · Nov 10, 2004

have everything together. made a few notes in the intro letter regarding tonights meeting. FedEx is picking up tommorrow.

feuerfex · Nov 10, 2004

murtaugh29 said:

Curt Johnson voted against having Dallas move West. Peter and Greg Elliot voted for Dallas to the West.
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Small point. TTFKATB are already in the west. Thus PW & GE voted to move KC to the East and Curt Johnson voted to move TTFKATB to the East.

That being the case, I think the first order of business is for Dustin and compatriots to convince their local reps that they'd be better served by moving to the East. If I'm a decision maker, one of the first opinions I'm going to be concerned about is that of the affected parties. KC is on board. Dallas is not. That needs to be fixed.

Without support of the powers that be in the front office of TTFKATB, I would expect the chances of their moving to be very slim.

Better start lobbying Dustin, et al.

murtaugh29 · Nov 10, 2004

feuerfex said:

Better start lobbying Dustin, et al.
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Dustin and the committee at large have already been as active in this as I have.

Greg Elliott will be recieving a package from us just like PW, Curt Johnson, Ivan Gazidis, and Don Garber.

ElJefe · Nov 10, 2004

feuerfex said:

Small point. TTFKATB are already in the west. Thus PW & GE voted to move KC to the East and Curt Johnson voted to move TTFKATB to the East.

That being the case, I think the first order of business is for Dustin and compatriots to convince their local reps that they'd be better served by moving to the East. If I'm a decision maker, one of the first opinions I'm going to be concerned about is that of the affected parties. KC is on board. Dallas is not. That needs to be fixed.

Without support of the powers that be in the front office of TTFKATB, I would expect the chances of their moving to be very slim.

Better start lobbying Dustin, et al.
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Considering that I was the one that wrote the petition and was the first signer, it's safe to say I'm on board.

And I've been lobbying Greg Elliott. I'm not much of a salesman, so I'm not sure how successfully. Anyway, I posted my thoughts on the matter in the FC Dallas forum:

https://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showpost.php?p=3555007&postcount=46

As an addendum, if you had told me that nine out of ten GMs would've been in favor of keeping Dallas in the West and moving Kansas City to the East, I would not have guessed that the one holdout would've been Curt Johnson. And the fact that it was Curt Johnson and that he was the only one... well, it's a bit surprising and a bit disappointing.

murtaugh29 · Nov 10, 2004

ElJefe said:

And the fact that it was Curt Johnson and that he was the only one... well, it's a bit surprising and a bit disappointing.
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I would heartily agree with these sentiments.