Online petition to place FC Dallas 96 and the Chicago Fire together in the East

ElJefe · Oct 28, 2004

OK, I know that some of you don't really care too much about putting FC Dallas 96 and the Chicago Fire together in the same conference. Some of you don't really care that much the Brimstone Cup at all. Some of you would like to see a single table more than anything else because you want all those cool kids in Europe to like us more.

Then don't bother with this petition.

However, many of us think that the Brimstone Cup rivalry is A Good Thing for the league, many of us think that splitting Dallas and Chicago in 2002 was detrimental to the rivalry, and many of us would like to see Dallas and Chicago together again to help stoke the flames of rivalry.

If you're one of those people, go to http://www.PetitionOnline.com/mls2005/petition.html and let the suits at Major League Soccer know how you feel.

Ron Keller · Oct 28, 2004

I'm number 34.

JeffGMc · Oct 28, 2004

Thanks Dustin and Liam.

DrBobC · Oct 28, 2004

what i really want is a team in milwaukee or st. louis and have a geographic rivalry that lends well to a road trip.

murtaugh29 · Oct 28, 2004

Do you have 30 million dollars?

I would love a Milwaukee, St. Louis, or Detroit team too. But Dallas, for now, has been it mostly. I would like to see that return to prominence.

48 signatures so far...thanks to everyone who cares.

murtaugh29 · Oct 28, 2004

from the burn forums' similar thread.

And fwiw, the "Fire-FC Dallas" opening game of ULHOWA idea has already made it to the team offices and it is being considered/worked on.
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JeffGMc · Oct 28, 2004

murtaugh29 said:

48 signatures so far...thanks to everyone who cares.
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What about those of us that don't care and just like signing things?

BBBulldog · Oct 29, 2004

With Dallas in the east that better not mean 2x more whining about Dema :/
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And I mean that

Iceblink · Oct 29, 2004

It's the best way to avoid that stupid "cup retention" crap. Finally, a real winner this year.

Kinda sad when I am glad the other team won... because the lack of a winner is worse.

Ron Keller · Oct 29, 2004

What's an ulhowa? Didn't Kirk seduce one of those back in season one?

creative_destruction · Oct 29, 2004

Up to 93 now. Good to see league wide support. I assume the link is posted on KC and LA boards too.

jjayg · Oct 29, 2004

I don't really care either way so I signed it anyway. KC is a good roadtrip but one I will only take once or twice a year anyway. Maybe our rivalry can heat up once we get our own stadiums etc etc. Hate is good.

kingjackdaniel · Oct 29, 2004

#102!!!

murtaugh29 · Oct 29, 2004

If we get a few hundred I'll personally FedEx the petition and letters to the GMs of FC Dallas an Chicago, and the commissioner and deputy commissioner of MLS.

Physical paper petitions sent express mail will probably garner more attention and scrutiny than an online one.

creative_destruction · Oct 29, 2004

To be honest, I think it will take a lot more than a few hundred. More like a few thousand.

murtaugh29 · Oct 29, 2004

No, I mean it'll be a few hundred for me to justify doing the FedExing. I have no pretentions that this will actually work.

Still, it will serve a purpose to let MLS know directly what the wishes of many people at the heart of these two clubs' fanbases are.

by the way, this was interesting (from Dallas GM Greg Elliot's letter to fans)

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On behalf of Hunt Sports Group and the entire 2004 Dallas Burn organization, I wanted to take this opportunity to personally thank you for supporting the team this season. We entered the 2004 season with three primary goals with respect to team performance:

-- Establish / Restore credibility for the Dallas Burn by instilling pride, professionalism and integrity in the squad.
-- Win / Keep the Brimstone Cup, the supporter's trophy awarded to the annual winner of the Burn v. Fire season series.
-- Qualify for the playoffs, and compete for the MLS Cup.
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Obviously they think quite a lot of it.

creative_destruction · Oct 29, 2004

Don't limit it to the two clubs. KC has as much interest in staying in the west, and it seems LA would like to keep them there too.

GDopplerXT · Oct 29, 2004

I think putting Dallas and Chicago in the same division would make more sense than throwing KC in the East. When you've got a good rivalry, playing each other 4 times a year makes it much more interesting. I've been to 5, soon to be 6, DC vs. Metro games this season, and it NEVER gets old. From what I hear, the Chicago-Dallas rivalry is just as hot, and I think the league should encourage that.

murtaugh29 · Oct 29, 2004

120 signatures and counting.

NotAbbott · Oct 29, 2004

JeffGMc said:

What about those of us that don't care and just like signing things?
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You and Mayor Daley.

Later,
COZ

bunge · Oct 29, 2004

#127

skinut · Oct 30, 2004

#136

kebzach · Oct 30, 2004

139

Pygmalion · Oct 30, 2004

DrBobC said:

what i really want is a team in milwaukee or st. louis and have a geographic rivalry that lends well to a road trip.
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After we get done with this petition can we start up another petition asking Uncle Phil to build a stadium for a team in Milwaukee. Just trying to help the fire fans out...

murtaugh29 · Oct 31, 2004

This is a pretty good realignment idea from the MLS forum that should get more attention here and in general. It's not perfect but I think it pleases the most number of people without screwing things up too much.

FCDarkness said:

Lots of people seem to want to go to a single table. I've also heard people talking about cutting down on the number of games on the schedule. Obviously 22 games is too short and 44 is way too long. Preserving rivalries is also very important to the fans so how about this for a solution:

You split the league into 4 geographic groups for scheduling purposes:
1. LA, Chivas, SJ
2. Col, Real, KC
3. Dal, Chi, Cbs
4. DC, NE, Met

You play your geographic rivals four times and everyone else in the league twice. That comes out to a 26-game schedule, with an emphasis on playing rivals. Standings would be kept as a single table with the top 8 teams going to the playoffs. The Supporter's Shield winner would be guaranteed to play the 8-seed. The fans could award informal trophies to the winners of the rivalry groups. They could even absorb the third team into existing rivalries (Brimstone Cup, Atlantic Cup).
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