Pre-match: On the Road Again and Again: SJ, 4/13 and Colorado, 4/16

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  1. Woodrow

    Woodrow Member+

    Dec 7, 2001
    Brick City
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  2. defendyourself

    Jul 13, 2008
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    As long as Jesse doesn't rush any of these guys, hopefully they are available to go. Last thing we need is another set back injury. Almost want to hold them both out until Saturday and try some of the kids against San Jose and see what happens
     
  3. kokoplus10

    kokoplus10 Member+

    Feb 5, 2008
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    New York Red Bulls
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    United States
    I want squad rotation. I'll take a loss if that's what it means. I want to see some fresh faces.
     
  4. defendyourself

    Jul 13, 2008
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    New York Red Bulls
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    United States
    Ask and you shall receive
     
  5. kokoplus10

    kokoplus10 Member+

    Feb 5, 2008
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    United States
    Thanks you Mr. Marsch! Actually excited now.

    Bang
    SWP-Davis-Sam
    Adams-Felipe
    Lade-taxi-Canuck-zizzo
    Throwbles
     
  6. Deadtigers

    Deadtigers Member+

    Jul 23, 2015
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    #6 Deadtigers, Apr 14, 2016
    Last edited: Apr 14, 2016
    Watched the first 35 minutes neither teams touches were impressive and now I wake up to another 2-0 loss!! Zubar/Kamar and Ouimette are not getting it doone at the back. How did Robles look?
     
  7. Futbol2v2

    Futbol2v2 New Member

    Dec 1, 2014
    Zubar did not dress. Jesse went with Kemar and Ouimette at CB with Carroll on the bench. In my opinion, going with a "non-CB" in Kemar costs them both goals as it did last week with Duvall. For most of the game, Kemar played well, but on the two goals, he did not make plays that a typical CB would make. On the first one, SJ played a diagonal ball to the far post that I thought he should have won and headed out. He did not and SJ was able to corral and score on a deflected shot. On the second goal, Kemar got caught day dreaming on a crossed ball in the box and Wondo was allowed to waltz in unmarked and head one past Robles. The kid plays his heart out, but he's not a CB.

    Robles looked good. Not much he could do on either goal.
     
  8. goindownsouth

    goindownsouth Member+

    Jun 19, 2006
    Central, NJ
    Club:
    Charleston
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    It is pretty simple though... If you want to win in this game, you have to score goals. And RBNY are NOT doing that right now. Period.
     
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  9. kokoplus10

    kokoplus10 Member+

    Feb 5, 2008
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    New York Red Bulls
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    United States
    Telling you guys offense is not the big problem here. If you have a shit defense it affects the entire team.

    Defense is EVERYTHING.
     
  10. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You guys know if the team has left SJ for Denver? There's now a winter storm watch on for the weekend in Denver and I'm wondering if they'll reschedule to keep the Red Bulls from getting stuck here an extra day, but if they're already in Denver it doesn't matter.
     
  11. defendyourself

    Jul 13, 2008
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I am also more concerned about the defense for two reasons:
    1) Nothing is more deflating in soccer than conceding dumb goals. And we have conceded a handful of those already this season. And to boot we score a lot of goals last year winning ball in the middle third and springing a quick mini counter, but our defense is bad now, where we don't win the ball high up the pitch frequently anymore
    2) If Jesse really was committed to it we could find 4 productive attackers. Between BWP, Abang, Sacha, Davis, Veron, Etienne, Muyl, Grella, SWP, Allen he should be able to find some goals if he looks hard enough. Between Ouimette, Carroll, Duvall, Zubar, Baah, and DP (off of a torn ACL) I am not sure we have a productive centerback pairing; and that is REALLY bad.
     
  12. Futbol2v2

    Futbol2v2 New Member

    Dec 1, 2014
    Lets' see......you are making this statement without seeing the same set of CB pairings in 2 straight games because of injury, without seeing DP play 1 minute this season -- after playing well last season, and without seeing Carroll play -- who has helped RBII post 2 straight shutouts. Is this correct? Let's pass judgement until these things take place.

    In my opinion, the issues seen in the last 3 games with our defense is Jesse's use of outside backs as CB's. You could say that all 5 goals conceded in the last 3 games (1 vs Revs, 2 vs KC and 2 vs SJ) was the direct result of using outside backs as CB's. Both Kemar and Duvall may be very good outside backs, but they do not understand the responsibilities associated with being a CB and it has cost us.

    Not many teams could withstand the injuries we have occurred at CB and be successful. I think between Baah, Zubar, Ouimette, DP and Carroll, we can find a nice CB pairing to move forward with.
     
  13. goindownsouth

    goindownsouth Member+

    Jun 19, 2006
    Central, NJ
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    Charleston
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    What is the ETA on returns for those who are injured? Veron and Baah in particular...?
     
  14. iced1776

    iced1776 Member+

    Dec 4, 2009
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    I don't think fans appreciate just how good both Miazga and Perrinelle were at keeping the other team pinned in their own half, and how important it was to Marsch's game plan. They were able to sit at the midfield line, rough up opposing strikers opposing strikers, and send almost any clearance straight back the other way. All without regularly conceding counter attacks. There's a reason Perrinelle almost set the team record for yellow cards despite not being a dirty player, most of them were "professional fouls".

    Even with healthy Zubar is not nearly as good at this style of play, and while Baah is clearly a great athlete I'm not sure we've seen him replicate this style either.
     
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  15. iced1776

    iced1776 Member+

    Dec 4, 2009
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    Even Ouimette, who is an actual CB, has been hot garbage this season.

    You make it sound like Marsch has much of a choice though. The only other CB available is a guy who hasn't played a professional minute of soccer in his life. In hindsight its easy to point to Duvall's poor play, but going into the game I can't put blame on that decision.
     
  16. defendyourself

    Jul 13, 2008
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The whole point of the phrase "i am not sure" is saying that I am not certain. They could possibly turn out fine, but I have no idea if that will be the case. I do agree that the outside back as centerback experience has caused some issues, but we have more question marks back there than answers
     
  17. msilverstein47

    msilverstein47 Member+

    Jan 11, 1999
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    United States
    9AM Update:
    Rapids working hard to ensure #COLvNY goes ahead as planned at 7pm.
    We hope to play but, obviously, this depends on the weather between now and kick-off.
     
  18. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
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    Colorado Rapids
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    United States
  19. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
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    Colorado Rapids
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    United States
    NWS seems to be backing off the snowmaggedon forecasts in their most recent updates. Looks like from 3-5 we may get more rain than snow. I'm thinking they at least keep it scheduled up until close to kickoff now.
     
  20. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
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    Colorado Rapids
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    United States
  21. msilverstein47

    msilverstein47 Member+

    Jan 11, 1999
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  22. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
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    Colorado Rapids
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    United States
    Secondhand from a contact in the Rapids FO: "Unless the refs call it, the game is a go. League and teams ready to play."
     
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  23. defendyourself

    Jul 13, 2008
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    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    no one wants to make this trip again haha.
     

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