On our long way down: The Premier League Games Abroad Thread

Discussion in 'Premier League: News and Analysis' started by Matt Clark, Feb 7, 2008.

  1. Matt Clark

    Matt Clark Member

    Dec 19, 1999
    Liverpool
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_prem/7232390.stm

    What's that Willie Nelson lyric about wicked spirals?
     
  2. act smiley

    act smiley Member

    Feb 8, 2005
    Cardiff
    Club:
    Leicester City FC
    Re: On our long way down ...

    Here was me thinking they'd realise how stupid this would be, but it seems that was naeive. Here's hoping UEFA grow some balls and tell them that if they do that they wouldn't get into Europe, but unfortunately that's unlikely, isn't it.
     
  3. Matt Clark

    Matt Clark Member

    Dec 19, 1999
    Liverpool
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Re: On our long way down ...

    It's absurd in any case. If the result of the games is worth 0,1 or 3 points like any other league match and counts toward the final league standings, but the teams have all already played each other twice, then there's scope for all sorts of mayhem. Imagine United and Chelsea are one point apart after 38 games and then a draw is made for each EPL team to play another EPL team a third time. United get Derby, Chelsea get Aston Villa - oh and the winning bid for the Chelsea game was Tokyo, whereas United's game was acquired by Oslo.
     
  4. erick

    erick Member

    Dec 6, 2007
    Bama Nation
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Re: On our long way down ...

    this is stupid. club games should be play at home and not in other places. they need to think about the fans and stop thinking about the money.
     
  5. Prenn

    Prenn Member

    Apr 14, 2000
    Ireland
    Club:
    Bolton Wanderers FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Re: On our long way down ...

    Or even worse would be the teams fighting to avoid relegation. One gets the top team and the other gets the bottom team.

    If this really did go ahead I could not hope for Bolton to be relegated quick enough.
     
  6. DCU1996

    DCU1996 Member

    Jun 3, 2002
    N. VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
    The English Premier League is considering playing some matches overseas

    Top clubs consider overseas games

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/eng_prem/7232390.stm

    At a meeting in London on Thursday, all 20 clubs agreed to explore a proposal to extend the season to 39 games.

    Those 10 extra games would be played at venues around the world, with cities bidding for the right to stage them.
     
  7. Emperor_Norton

    Jun 14, 2007
    Re: The English Premier League is considering playing some matches overseas

    What nonsense...Goodbye English football.
     
  8. RichardL

    RichardL BigSoccer Supporter

    May 2, 2001
    Berkshire
    Club:
    Reading FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Re: The English Premier League is considering playing some matches overseas

    I can see it now...

    The big 4 will have fixtures with countries entering sealed bids of millions.

    Reading v Middlesbrough going for £38.65 on eBay.
     
  9. Prenn

    Prenn Member

    Apr 14, 2000
    Ireland
    Club:
    Bolton Wanderers FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Re: The English Premier League is considering playing some matches overseas

    Hmmm, I suspect a case of shill bidding.
     
  10. Postmaster

    Postmaster Member

    Jan 10, 2002
    Poolesville, MD USA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    EPL "International Round"

    Clubs consider playing league games abroad

    The proposal is to add a 39th EPL match at a netrual international site (seeded based on standings). Results would count in EPL standings.

    (+): $$$, increases visibility of the league
    (-): introduces an unbalanced EPL schedule, an additional travel game in a already-crowded schedule

    I'm a Yank and have only been following the EPL for a few years, but I'm interested in what long-time English supporters think about this proposal.
     
  11. RichardL

    RichardL BigSoccer Supporter

    May 2, 2001
    Berkshire
    Club:
    Reading FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Re: The English Premier League is considering playing some matches overseas

    No. Just heavy bidding from Reading and Middlesbrough, but pipped by a small boy from the island of Vanuatu, winning the right, via his dad's credit card, to have a premier league match take place in his back garden.
     
  12. M

    M Member+

    Feb 18, 2000
    Via Ventisette
    I'll go on record as saying both that this is a poor idea and that it won't happen. When they try and work out the logistics of how to fit a trip half way round the world into the schedule, they'll realize the issues. Plus, I really wonder whether some of the likely candidate city FAs will be thrilled at the Premier League trying to steal its thunder.
     
  13. Kazuma

    Kazuma Member+

    Chelsea
    Jul 30, 2007
    Detroit
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Stupid. On so many levels. This is getting to the point of NFL hype. And having to had to deal with the NFL in my city a few years back this is something I don't want to experience again.

    Besides, you cannot beat the actual experience of seeing your club play at its respective ground. And to make things worse you have the idiot plastics, (Yes this is coming from a Chelsea fan) who will only say "We love Man Utd/Chelsea/Aresenal/Liverpool" and wouldn't know their own club's chant if it bit them on the ass. The Prem's doing just fine on the exposure they have anyway but this is ridiculous.

    I doubt it'll go through anyway because of the distances traveled.


    And this comment made me want to punch something.



    If this keeps up I might as well just up and pull a FC United and do the same for Chelsea. I'm starting to wonder if this is stupid week or something because this is the 34,759 time I've heard something stupid said this week.
     
  14. Peakite

    Peakite Member

    Mar 27, 2000
    Berkshire
    Club:
    Halifax Town
    Re: EPL "International Round"

    Not exactly a problem as it stands.
     
  15. RichardL

    RichardL BigSoccer Supporter

    May 2, 2001
    Berkshire
    Club:
    Reading FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    I do wonder quite how much money they'd make anyway. Talk of an extra £1 million per club is hardly the sort of sum that should be persuading people to do away with the integrity of the league programme.

    And could every game even really make even that sort of money anyway? Who knows? I mean, I was in Bangkok recently and I was quite surprised to see as many as one Thai person wearing a Reading shirt on the streets. That could be indicative of Reading's global brand spreading across Asia, or it could be indicative of Bangkok's 65,000 seat Rajamangala Stadium having 64,999 of those seats empty if we played there.
     
  16. leafdolfan

    leafdolfan Member

    Jan 21, 2007
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    I'm a canadian United fan and think this is a stupid idea. This is what pre-season is for!!! FFS play some pointless tournament during the summer, but if this was done to the PL, the PL would lose all respect in my eyes. The clubs should all come out and refuse to play these games.
     
  17. mplsTOON

    mplsTOON Member

    Apr 25, 2006
    @ St James Park
    Club:
    Newcastle United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    the Prem looks at it like a Buy and Drive program such as BMW's. But instead of dropping a pile of cash to get to travel to the BMW factory in Bavaria and drive your car off the assembly line and onto the Autobahn, you get to pick it up in South Carolina and drive it onto I-95.

    Sure it makes money but what they don't realize is how much more people will pay for the actual experience of a game at Old Trafford, Stamford Bridge, or, yes if they are crazy enough, the Reebok.

    It does not suprise me that this is in response to the NFL game in Wembley this past October...
     
  18. act smiley

    act smiley Member

    Feb 8, 2005
    Cardiff
    Club:
    Leicester City FC
    Oh but they do, only now thats not enough and they want more...
     
  19. shuvy87

    shuvy87 Member

    Oct 17, 2003
    USA
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
    Re: On our long way down ...

    Do you know who really have the power. It's the fans back in England....

    As much as I love English football, I will boycut the domestic games if the proposal goes through.
     
  20. Matt Clark

    Matt Clark Member

    Dec 19, 1999
    Liverpool
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    It was enough to persuade United to go and do a one-off mid-season game in Saudi Arabia recently, complete with shit-grinning "look Ma, a sword!" photo op for Wayne Rooney in the land of public beheadings.

    Anyway, I saw Dave "The Dark Lord" Richards on SkySports News last night and he was explaining it in more detail: they're apparently looking for five hosts cities, each of which will stage four games over a weekend (two on Saturday, two on Sunday), so the format will be a bit like the pre-season tournaments that already take place out in Singapore and wherever with EPL teams (it did seem unlikely that this idea would be based on original thinking, rather than some sweaty northerner in the Chairman's lounge going "we had a raat good doo out in that there Hong Kong this summeh, mebbe it'll do us agin laaaike").
     
  21. act smiley

    act smiley Member

    Feb 8, 2005
    Cardiff
    Club:
    Leicester City FC
    Re: On our long way down ...

    The key is numbers - the problem is while I don't doubt that a good 20,000 Liverpool and Man Utd fans could be persuaded to boycott, how much good does that do if a stupid gloryhunting twat just goes to the match instead? I really do believe that we can stop this and can make a difference, even take back the game from this dubious types, but it requires a concerted, united effort from every fan in the country. This is either where we fight back, or its the beginning of the end.

    The thing about the money is, its not just about the money they'll make from the matches, but extra shirt sales and crucially TV - an entire weekend where every football fan in the country HAS to watch Sky to see their team? HOW MUCH DO YOU THINK THEY'LL PAY FOR THAT?! This is the size of what we're up against and we need to fight it with an action and I'm realy hoping the FSF can get us all organised.
     
  22. Matt Clark

    Matt Clark Member

    Dec 19, 1999
    Liverpool
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Re: On our long way down ...

    Yes, that would explain the 1200% rise in average ticket prices since 1993, the £480 minimum annual cost of watching live domestic league football on television*, the 242 games a season that are, beyond that, only available on additional PPV basis, the bi-annual replica shirt sales (at a monstrous £40 each), the pre-season tours to the Far East, the ...

    I need not go on, I'm sure.









    * and yes, I know that before Sky live domestic football was a rarer TV event than a Coronation, but that's hardly the point.
     
  23. Motterman

    Motterman Member

    Jul 8, 2002
    Orlando, FL
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The problem with pre-season tournaments and friendlies is that there's nothing on the line. The excitement of league footy is that each game from kickoff of the first match of the season in August to the final whistle in May means so much. They can't replicate or generate that excitement in other countries with games that don't mean anything. Also, there's no way that I can imagine pulling something like this off is possible and keep things on the up and up.

    Bad, bad idea.

    They could create some new dodgy tournament like the "FA Intercontinental Super Cup" :rolleyes: or something... but even then, it's not the same, none of the bigger clubs want to play the extra matches, and they're 3/4's of the attraction.
     
  24. Colm

    Colm Member

    Aug 17, 2004
    UK
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    Horrible idea, just pure greed from the Premier League and clubs, why can't they just stick to playing pre-season games abroad instead of premiership fixtures.
     
  25. mshankb

    mshankb Member

    Nov 15, 2004
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    The problem is that the players don't want extra games, most managers don't extra games, but the clubs want every damn penny they can get.
     

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