https://www.flotrack.org/articles/6...letics-championships-officially-moved-to-2022 speaking to the snowball effect i said might be problematic. you move the olympics back no one wants to compete with that, and you have other events that have to cancel or postpone. track worlds are normally twice a cycle same years as gold cup. sounds all well and good but what if you're hungary that's supposed to host in 2023. setting up 4 straight years of olympics worlds worlds olympics again is bound to affect participation and value of the tv and sponsor product.
it should be U24 since it's every several years and you maybe get 1-2 chances at the right age (and maybe as an overage if you're lucky). you're not bending it to let new people in, it's the same people ageing up a year when it's postponed. the only x factor is that it would allow for younger players to mature a year and make a case, but no one but maybe belarus is playing so any growth is taking place practicing by yourself or i heard the germans were practicing with distancing.
i agree that a lot of this talk is tertiary to reality, sickness, death, economics. i think some of these re-schedulings are highly aspirational and i will be curious if the pieces and money remain in place even if this passes. we won't know if this is pie in the sky until the tumult is over and it's like what businesses are left standing, what money do governments and olympic committees have. i agree it may all prove naive and that we may be discussing things in terms that will not exist when practical reality is restored. people talk about things like snap your fingers back to business as usual. IMO teams will go bankrupt. players have been asked to take big pay cuts. when they want to go back to soccer it will be, is literally everyone testing negative. along these lines, SBI brought up Robinson's heart issue the other day. i'd be more concerned for his personal health than worried about its implications for league or olympics, both of which are postponed.
It's only a u23 tournament more as a compromise between the IOC and FIFA. Heck, there are even three slots for overage players. Indeed not many players are denied Olympic call ups. It's a summer tournament after all but also because important players negotiate with their clubs ahead of time. This also involves promises by the NT to only have a certain amount of full NT callups in exchange for an Olympic callup. That is precisely the reason why the same players should stay eligible. Changing eligibility will bring even more flux and uncertainty into next year.
it should be one way or the other...you either keep it as a u23 or you change it there is no middle ground and you can't complain that changing it will bring more uncertainty and then say...so change it to u24.
Again, this tournament is not a true u23. It's an Olympic tournament. All other Olympic tournaments have no age restriction. Whatever restrictions the men's tournament has are because of negotiations between FIFA and the IOC I was going to post a big long historical analysis of all the changes that have happened but really it was too much work for just one doubting thomas. Just read the history section here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_at_the_Summer_Olympics tl;dr a one time change from u23 to u24 is par for the course in the Olympic Men's tournament.
I still hope this is our Olympic roster: —————-Sargent—————— Pulisic———Reyna———-Weah ———McKennie—-Adams——— Antonee—————————Dest ———Brooks*—-Miazga*———- ——————Steffen*—————- Bench: Marcinkowski (GK) Ochoa (GK) Cannon Palmer-Brown Richards Vines Yuiell Pomykal Aaronson Konrad Llanez Ferreira Reserve Squad: Freese (GK) Herrera Carter-Vickers Miles Gloster Sands Ledezma Busio Vassilev Soto Sabbi Monitoring: Not much else in this department (GK) Araujo Glad McKenzie Bello Hamalainen Durkin Servania Parks Dotson Cappis Tessman Otasowie Mendez Mihailovic Leyva Miljevic Johnny Bassett Amaya Saucedo Gioacchini Pepi Wright Vasquez Toye Ebobisse Analysis: I’m not saying we’d win the Olympics with that squad. But I’ll say that’ll be the most competitive squad that any US male soccer team has ever fielded at an international tournament. Besides the usual players, England, France, etc. there’s not a whole lot else out there that has a better u23 squad. That said, we have major problems at goalkeeper.
I don't dislike your roster, but the 2009 Confederations Cup team ... For that roster to be better in a year requires a decent amount of development, I think.
If compared to senior level to senior level... maybe. That 2009 roster had the right amount of experience and youth. But if you say our Olympic squad against u23/u24 players... it’s no contest.
at some point sargent is going to need to do something to get into these national teams isn't he? Like Weah I mean maybe a few weeks healthy lol.
if that was our olympic squad you'd have to say its not a real talented squad at all. Even against U23/U24 players and especially if other countries were able to get a number of their top players under the age limit and you three slots on full national team members.
you still enjoying your Panic pronography? Man, even I am taking no pleasure in the wilful stupidity. I will take everyone's money, but even I feel sorta bad at this point. You all do know you are immune unless you are really old and/or really sick already? Stop reading the news, go outside, run, enjoy the sunshine. Buy Oil, I guess.
Why are you still practicing that willful stupidity if it doesn't bring you pleasure? Go buy yourself a dictionary it won't cure you general retardation though.
Sam, you're like the goldfish who doesn't understand why he's in a fishbowl. Actually, nobody claimed that we would stop all deaths thru mitigation but rather that it would buy much needed time. A lot has been learned in the last month, you just don't know it because you are not a medic. There's always the possibility that youth will start dying in large numbers when you increase the threshold amount of virus being transmitted when mitigation ends. Young people die from their own (strong) immunity systems over-reacting to the virus. The more you breathe in, the more you will react, possibly. This stuff is all being dealt with as you sit on your couch munching Cheetos with your...……? (beer?)
For qualifying, given the cutoff birthdate remains the same. For now, though some probably will be, I'm working under the assumption that no non-MLS/LigaMx player will be available. The weakness of the pool is at wide attack. Saucedo is the only specialist wide attacker who is starting at club level. Obviously, there are other capable forwards like, Vasquez, Toye, Robinson, and Ferreira. Yueil and Cannon will likely be with the National Team. And Cannon will also probably be in Europe. Ebobisse would play as an inside forward. Saucedo would have a two-way role. ------------------------Pepi------- ------Ebobisse---Pomykal---Saucedo--- -----------Servania---------Amaya---- --Vines--------------------------------Duncan---- -------------Glad--------Robinson---- ----------------------Freese----- Pomykal and Aaronson provide enough defense to pair together, here. ----------------Pepi----Ebobisse----- ---Vines----Pomykal--Aaronson----Duncan----- ---------------------Servania----- -------Glad-------Robinson-----McKenzie ----------------------Freese-----
Under the restrictions of only MLS/MX + no Cannon. I’m adding in Scandinavia though. GK Marcinkowski, Ochoa, Freese RB Lennon, Herrera (Araujo, Duncan), CB Miles, Glad, McKenzie, Pineda (Trusty, Keita, Pineda) LB Vines, Bello/Kobe (Real) M6 Yuiell (CPT), Sands (Tessman, Servania) M8 Pomykal, Cappis (Leyva, Amaya) 10 Aaronson, Busio (, Bassett) RW Sabbi, Robbie (Roberts) FW Ferreira, Ebobisse (Pepi, Toye, Vasquez) LW Saucedo, Lewis (Amon) the 18: Ochoa, Herrera, McKenzie, Sands, Cappis, Lewis, Ebobisse Have to consider Atlanta United might decline call-ups... which, as an Atlanta fan, is embarrassing. If Cannon is unavailable, Yuiell is my captain. Next up would be Pomykal. For this group, all of our best players are wide attackers. The downside is that they’re all abroad. Someone is going to have to come back and play. Goalkeeper is the biggest weakness by a country mile. I’m excited to see what Yuiell-Pomykal-Aaronson can do.
That front-three is exactly why I wouldn't want to see a 433. It's ridiculous that MLS teams should be allowed to reject call-ups for youth internationals after all the griping about Klinsmann's criticism of the league and his alleged favoritism towards non-MLSers.
not impressed with anything in sweden/norway and countries with poor leagues to impress you really need to dominate.
It’ll be interesting how we split the Gold Cup roster and the Olympic qualifying roster in July, 2021. My split: Gold CupGoalkeepers: Zack Steffen, Brad Guzan, Ethan Horvath Defenders: Sergino Dest, Antonee Robinson, Timmy Chandler, Tim Ream, John Brooks, Matt Miazga, Aaron Long, Ventura Alvarado Midfielders: Darlington Nagbe, Fredo Morales, Tyler Adams, Weston McKennie, Gio Reyna, Seb Lletget Forwards: Josh Sargent, Christian Pulisic, Tim Weah, Jordan Morris, Duane Holmes, Jeremy Ebobisse Olympic QualifyingGoalkeepers: Brady Scott, Jonathan Klinsmann, JT Marcinkowski Defenders: Sam Vines, Chris Gloster, Reggie Cannon, Kyle Duncan, Miles Robinson, Mark McKenzie, Erik Palmer-Brown, Cameron Carter-Vickers Midfielders: Jackson Yuiell, Pax Pomykal, Brenden Aaronson, James Sands, Richard Ledezma, Alex Mendez Forwards: Uly Llanez, Konrad de la Fuente, Ayo Akinola, Jesus Ferreira, Indiana Vassilev, Nick Taitague
With four WCQ matches in June 2021, the Gold Cup is likely to be an almost literal C team. I expect virtually no one to be there who was there in June, and to save the best young B team members for Olympic Qualifying.
Did I miss an announcement about the re-scheduling of the qualifying tournament? The actual Olympic tournament is scheduled to begin on July 23, overlapping with the Gold Cup.
I think he's mistaking the Olympic tourney for its qualifiers. Qualifying is tentatively scheduled for March 2021. FMF sporting director @gerardotorrado6: Very probable that men's CONCACAF Olympic qualifying will be in Guadalajara in March. #eltrieng— Tom Marshall (@mexicoworldcup) August 12, 2020
I would go the opposite of this. At least some of it. Experimental for friendlies and NL in March. With short breaks and seasons running together, rest at a premium. You will be asking players to play summers. Some like Pulisic have struggled with that. We also need to upgrade as much as we can on last year. "A" team for quali in June and September +. Experimental again for GC. Let the A team rest in August. Keep finding new impact players to displace non performing A team trash. And there is plenty of that. We have had so little chance to check things out, I would rather have the U23s with first team promise in the first team at GC. The goal of this process is to feed the "A" team. If a good player is left off "A" team to try and prove some point in the Olympics, that likely means he doesn't join the "A" team this cycle or only late. You send the dregs to the Olympics assuming we make it. Players of no hope to the NT at all. Bears noting that with a busy club and NT schedule the Olympic qualifying team will be leftovers too. I think the Olympics are overrated as a barometer of the senior team. We graduate out the Pulisics. We can't access everyone we want. it is what it is. We should still try but a lot of good teams struggle with 20+ age groups because by that age the good players should be integral to their clubs, and release is not required. To me U20 is now the more serious, full squad sense of how you fit in the pecking order with youth talent. Speaking of which, they will also be running U20 quali then worlds sometime in there as well. I think the idea of running out the status quo beginning with NL and most of what follows, then sending anyone good U23 to Olympics, is naive about what Venezuela/Jamaica/Mexico/Canada showed us. I think you need Reyna and anyone else you can find in the next 7 months, to be made part of the unit by when quali starts. Any window we get to look at new talent, needs to be used for that and not on "drilling" a unit that never looked that good. I don't get the idea we are "playing to win" fielding the usual suspects who can't even consistently beat Jamaica, Canada, and Mexico -- a big chunk of what we will see in the Ocho. You need to churn the back end of the roster substantially and get the performers from the kid bubble involved. And all this assumes covid cooperates.