Olympic Hockey Tournament (R)

Discussion in 'Ice Hockey' started by hobbes, Dec 20, 2005.

  1. hobbes

    hobbes Member

    Jul 26, 1999
    regina, saskatchewan
    Teams are chosen Wednesday. Who should be there, who shouldn't be, for the second-best sporting event in the world?

    Here's who I would pick for Canada:

    Goal: Martin Brodeur, Curtis Joseph and Marty Turco.
    Defence: Rob Blake, Ed Jovanovski, Byran McCabe, Scott Niedermayer, Chris Pronger, Wade Redden and Robyn Regehr.
    Forwards: Sidney Crosby, Kris Draper, Simon Gagne, Dany Heatley, Jarome Iginla, Vincent Lecavalier, Brad Richards, Martin St. Louis, Joe Sakic, Ryan Smyth, Jason Spezza, Eric Staal and Joe Thornton.

    Taxi squad: Patrick Marleau, Rick Nash and Dion Phaneuf

    The forward group is so tough. I debated taking another defensive forward (say Madden) instead of St. Louis. I'd have Nash there in a heartbeat if I could pick the team in January, but he hasn't played all year and that worries me. I'd play McCabe strictly on the powerplay and bring Phaneuf along for the experience.

    cheers,
    hobbes
     
  2. Matt in the Hat

    Matt in the Hat Moderator
    Staff Member

    Sep 21, 2002
    Brooklyn
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    USA Roster

    GOALTENDERS (3)
    Rick DiPietro
    Robert Esche
    John Grahame

    DEFENSEMEN (7)
    Chris Chelios
    Derian Hatcher
    Jordan Leopold
    John-Michael Liles
    Aaron Miller
    Brian Rafalski
    Mathieu Schneider

    FORWARDS (13)
    Jason Blake
    Erik Cole
    Craig Conroy
    Chris Drury
    Brian Gionta
    Scott Gomez
    Bill Guerin
    Mike Knuble
    Mike Modano
    Mark Parrish
    Brian Rolston
    Keith Tkachuk
    Doug Weight

    Boy, your Canada roster looks tough
     
  3. jec1

    jec1 Member

    Sporting Clube de Portugal
    Portugal
    Aug 27, 2004
    Los Angeles ATM
    Club:
    Sporting CP Lisbon
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    all the really need is staal>spezza>crosby.... :eek:


    martin brodeur and roberto luongo will be the top two goalies.
    the third string goalie probably be either joseph or theodore.

    we have a nucleus of young players that will realm into the lineup plus with no yzerman or lemieux

    its time for these young kids to step up.
     
  4. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Short of Kiprusoff or Hasek/Vokoun putting on a performance for the ages, I don't know how Canada doesn't win this tournament. Anything short of a gold medal is really a monumental upset; probably more so than if Brazil doesn't win the World Cup in Germany. I hope I'm wrong, and I hope we have a great tournament with some upsets (hopefully a USA run), but on paper, no roster is going to be able to compare to what Canada can put together.

    The battle for silver & bronze will be intriguing. Czech Republic is probably the 2nd best team and they have the welcome problem of choosing between what are possibly the two best goalies in the world. Any hopes for Finland rest on Kiprusoff's shoulders, which isn't really a bad thing right now. I'm particularly interested to see how Sweden and Russia's rosters shape up. Who is going to play goal for Sweden? Off the top of my head, I'll make the following predictions, with the right to revise after the rosters are released tomorrow:

    Gold - Canada
    Silver - Czech Republic
    Bronze - Finland
    4th - Russian Federation
     
  5. DoyleG

    DoyleG Moderator
    Staff Member

    FC Edmonton
    Canada
    Jan 11, 2002
    Victoria, BC
    Club:
    FC Edmonton
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    No medal for the US?

    Doe that mean will see another hotel trashing? ;) :D
     
  6. hobbes

    hobbes Member

    Jul 26, 1999
    regina, saskatchewan
     
  7. Gordon

    Gordon New Member

    May 6, 2002
    Saskatoon, SK
    I don't exepct to see McCabe selected, and I think one or two of the young forwards whose play in the first half might warrant selection will be omitted as well.
     
  8. Beckham7

    Beckham7 Member+

    Jul 10, 2001
    Northern, California
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Team Germany
    Goaltender


    Olaf Kölzig - 1


    Washington Capitals

    Goaltender


    Robert Muller - 1


    Krefeld Pinguine

    Goaltender


    Thomas Greiss - 0


    Kölner Haie

    Defense


    Sascha Goc - 0


    Adler Mannheim

    Defense


    Christian Ehrhoff - 1


    San Jose Sharks

    Defense


    Christoph Schubert - 1


    Ottawa Senators

    Defense


    Stefan Schauer - 0


    Nurnberg Ice Tigers

    Defense


    Andreas Renz - 1


    Kölner Haie

    Defense


    Alexander Sulzer - 0


    DEG Metro Stars

    Defense


    Lasse Kopitz - 0


    Kölner Haie

    Defense


    Dennis Seidenberg - 1


    Philadelphia Flyers

    Forward


    Stefan Ustorf - 3


    Eisbären Berlin

    Forward


    Jochen Hecht - 2


    Buffalo Sabres

    Forward


    Marco Sturm - 2


    Boston Bruins

    Forward


    Daniel Kreutzer - 1


    DEG Metro Stars

    Forward


    Alexander Barta - 0


    Hamburg Freezers

    Forward


    Thomas Martinec - 0


    Nurnberg Ice Tigers

    Forward


    Eduard Lewandowski - 0


    Kölner Haie

    Forward


    Klaus Kathan - 1


    DEG Metro Stars

    Forward


    Marcel Goc - 0


    San Jose Sharks

    Forward


    Michael Hackert - 0


    Frankfurt Lions

    Forward


    Petr Fical - 0


    Nurnberg Ice Tigers

    Forward


    Jan Benda - 3


    HC Litvinov
     
  9. Daniel from Montréal

    Aug 4, 2000
    Montréal
    Club:
    Montreal Impact
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    What's with the German numbers?

    Canada's lineup:

    Big omissions: Crosby, Staal, Spezza, McCabe

    Goalies

    Martin Brodeur (New Jersey)
    Roberto Luongo (Floride)
    Marty Turco (Dallas)

    Defenders

    Rob Blake (Colorado)
    Adam Foote (Columbus)
    Ed Jovanovski (Vancouver)
    Scott Niedermayer (Anaheim)
    Chris Pronger (Edmonton)
    Wade Redden (Ottawa)
    Robin Regehr (Calgary)

    Forwards

    Todd Bertuzzi (Vancouver)
    Shane Doan (Phoenix)
    Kris Draper (Detroit)
    Simon Gagné (Philadelphie)
    Dany Heatley (Ottawa)
    Jarome Iginla (Calgary)
    Vincent Lecavalier (Tampa Bay)
    Rick Nash (Columbus)
    Brad Richards (Tampa Bay)
    Joe Sakic (Colorado)
    Ryan Smyth (Edmonton)
    Martin St-Louis (Tampa Bay)
    Joe Thornton (San Jose)

    Reserves

    Bryan McCabe (Toronto)
    Jason Spezza (Ottawa)
    Eric Staal (Caroline)
     
  10. Beckham7

    Beckham7 Member+

    Jul 10, 2001
    Northern, California
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    I think the numbers are for how many olympics they've played in.
     
  11. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    How scary is it that all three of those guys didn't even make the team?

    At first glance, Draper and Doan look to be question marks, but Gretzky wants a complete team and that means leaving some of the bigger guns at home. Staal, Spezza and Crosby (AND McCabe!) will probably be pillars on the 2010 team, but for right now, you really can't blame Gretzky for leaving them off the roster.

    Here's an interesting hypothetical...could Canada put together 2 teams capable of medalling? With the depth they have right now (not just skaters either...they probably have at least 6 goaltenders that would be #1 for anyone but Finland or Czech Republic), I think it's a distinct possibility.
     
  12. Gordon

    Gordon New Member

    May 6, 2002
    Saskatoon, SK
    Interesting. The inclusion of Bertuzzi is generating a lot of controversy in the media but so far, nary a whisper about the inclusion of Heatley. Does this mean vehicular homicide is simply an indiscretion? Or does the fact that it was a friend who died mean "he has suffered enough"?

    For the record, I think that both should be eligible for inclusion, but I find it somewhat baffling that an on ice assault is deemed more serious than causing death. Serious disconnect here IMO.
     
  13. jpg75

    jpg75 Member

    Jun 11, 2005
    Toronto, Canada
    Club:
    Toronto FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    The difference could be that the Sneider family has forgiven Heatley, whereas Steve Moore is still very much pissed and fighting the PR battle against Bertuzzi any chance he gets...
     
  14. Gordon

    Gordon New Member

    May 6, 2002
    Saskatoon, SK
    Apparently the Canadian Olympic Comittee is reviewing the inclusion of Bertuzzi, Heatley and Shane Doan - the latter because of alleged racial slur.
     
  15. jec1

    jec1 Member

    Sporting Clube de Portugal
    Portugal
    Aug 27, 2004
    Los Angeles ATM
    Club:
    Sporting CP Lisbon
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    really maybe they should since the canadian committee have to rethink not putting paul kariya, brendan shanahan and maybe sidney crosby its a joke.

    i have always stress this in soccer and in hockey put the best players that are performing well now....

    you got doan,foote,richards,bertuzzi doesnt make sense. :eek:
     
  16. DoyleG

    DoyleG Moderator
    Staff Member

    FC Edmonton
    Canada
    Jan 11, 2002
    Victoria, BC
    Club:
    FC Edmonton
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
  17. kwik1980

    kwik1980 New Member

    May 27, 2003
    Norwich, NY
    At this point, all of the rosters are up, here, with the exception of Russia, whose roster I can't seem to find anywhere at the moment:

    http://www.iihf.com/news/iihfpr0606.htm

    And the first pullout from the official rosters is Mika Kiprusoff, who has hip problems, and will take the time off, instead of playing goal for Finland. No word yet on a replacement. Kari Lehtonen probably becomes the #1 for the Finns now.
     
  18. Gordon

    Gordon New Member

    May 6, 2002
    Saskatoon, SK
    COC, after 90 minute debate, approve Doan, Heatley and Bertuzzi as Olympians. Its a done deal now, barring injury or withdrawal.
     
  19. hobbes

    hobbes Member

    Jul 26, 1999
    regina, saskatchewan
    They're all up there now. The Russians had an extra day because they were electing the Russian Olympic Committee Thursday. The big news is Malkin made it and Fedorov bowed out.

    Interesting that there's four players from the Russian league on their final roster.

    cheers,
    hobbes
     
  20. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    There goes Finland's chance at a medal.
     
  21. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    After seeing the rosters and looking at the schedule, I'll make the following predictions:

    Group A
    1. CANADA
    2. CZECH REPUBLIC
    3. FINLAND
    4. SWITZERLAND
    5. GERMANY
    6. ITALY

    Group B
    1. SWEDEN
    2. SLOVAKIA
    3. USA
    4. RUSSIAN FEDERATION
    5. LATVIA
    6. KAZAKHSTAN

    CANADA defeats Russian Federation, 6-2
    SWEDEN defeats Switzerland, 4-2
    CZECH REPUBLIC defeats United States, 3-1
    SLOVAKIA defeats Finland, 5-3

    CANADA defeats Slovakia, 7-4
    CZECH REPUBLIC defeats Sweden, 3-2

    Bronze Medal Game
    SLOVAKIA defeats Sweden, 5-3

    Gold Medal Game
    CANADA defeats Czech Republic, 4-2

    I think Group A seems pretty straightforward, especially if Kiprusoff isn't in goal. Only two potential "upsets" I can envision are Switzerland over Germany (Aebischer or Gerber carrying the Swiss) and possibly the Czechs beating the Canadians in group play (which will only enrage the Canadians for the medal round).

    Group B is much more difficult to predict, I think. And I highly doubt that you'll see any team get through without a loss. Every team has a weakness, and most of them are in goal (except the Russians). If Budaj plays well, the Slovaks scoring prowess may take them to the top of the group. And Sweden, now that I see their roster on paper, looks a lot better than I thought they would. The USA really just isn't that good, but they'll be scrappy and if Grahame (assuming he starts) gets hot, they should win a few games and even perhaps steal a game in the medal round. Russia's defense, in my opinion, leaves a lot to be desired and Khabibulan, though he is probably the best goalie in Group B, will also face the most shots amongst the contenders. Finishing first in this group is VERY important, because you get to face one of the weak sides from Group A (there are only 7 "strong" teams in this tournament, not 8). A team like Slovakia, that most people probably rate as 4th best in Group B, might surprise early (I expect them to beat Russia in their first game) and get out to a good start. The USA/Russia game on the last day of Group play will be big, because it very well might be for the right to avoid playing Canada.
     
  22. jec1

    jec1 Member

    Sporting Clube de Portugal
    Portugal
    Aug 27, 2004
    Los Angeles ATM
    Club:
    Sporting CP Lisbon
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    looks like there will be some replacments.
     
  23. Daniel from Montréal

    Aug 4, 2000
    Montréal
    Club:
    Montreal Impact
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    At least they found a better format than the travesty that was the 2002 tournament design. They should stick it at 16 teams, though.
     
  24. Nico Limmat

    Nico Limmat Member+

    Oct 24, 1999
    Dubai, UAE
    Club:
    Grasshopper Club Zürich
    Nat'l Team:
    Switzerland
    I don't really think that's an upset. Let me remind you that Germany is currently a Division I team...
     
  25. jpg75

    jpg75 Member

    Jun 11, 2005
    Toronto, Canada
    Club:
    Toronto FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    No offence, but 16 teams is WAY too many for a tournament of this length. 12 is still too much, but it's the only way to be fair to all teams involved (Slovakia, i'm looking at you).
     

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