Olympic Gold Medal Match Brazil vs. Mexico, CLATTENBURG (ENG)

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  1. Alberto

    Alberto Member+

    Feb 28, 2000
    Northern, New Jersey
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    No word as of yet. Any guesses as to whom will get this appointment?

    Gieger?

    Clattenberg?

    Irmatov?
     
  2. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Putting a Swedish ref on a bronze medal game involving France...no problem.

    An American ref on a gold medal match involving Mexico...not a chance in hell.

    Clatts wouldn't surprise me. Someone mentioned the home nation ref usually gets a big knockout game.
     
  3. Alberto

    Alberto Member+

    Feb 28, 2000
    Northern, New Jersey
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Clattenburg gets the final.

    Thanks to EnglishRef for the update.

    Ref: Mark Clattenburg (ENG)
    AR1: Steve Child (ENG)
    AR2: Simon Beck (ENG)
    4O: Bakary Gassama (GAM)
    5O: Angesom Ogamariam (ERI)
     
  4. GTReferee

    GTReferee Member

    Feb 24, 2011
    Not a merit based assignment, but the politics worked out. For my money the Italian and Columbian had much better performances (and of course, Geiger).
     
  5. Alberto

    Alberto Member+

    Feb 28, 2000
    Northern, New Jersey
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Hopefully all goes well. I don't have an issue with the assignment in so far that it's nice to give the match to the host nation's referee to manage. However, I'm sure we are all in agreement that Clattenburg as GTReferee points out was not the best referee in terms of performance in the tournament.
     
  6. MrRC

    MrRC Member

    Jun 17, 2009
    Let's sit back and count the kicks to the head. Should be great fun.
     
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  7. colins1993

    colins1993 Member

    Mar 1, 2001
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Chippiness has arrived.
     
  8. IllinoisRef

    IllinoisRef Member

    Jul 6, 2011
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Getting the ball first on a tackle does not mean that there isn't a foul. What about a goal keeper getting out to punch the ball and hitting the player in the head with the elbow?
    What are your thoughts?
     
  9. colins1993

    colins1993 Member

    Mar 1, 2001
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Two balls on the field should be a dropped ball by the book.
    Clattenberg let BRA retake the throw.
     
  10. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I would never even think to drop the ball there and I doubt Clattenburg did either. Offensive throw-in by the team losing late in the game and the second ball essentially comes in just as they throw the ball in. You'd be tossing away all credibility if you went with a dropped ball.
     
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  11. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Who did he just book after the Brazilian goal??? Very interested to see that confirmation...
     
  12. IllinoisRef

    IllinoisRef Member

    Jul 6, 2011
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Hulk trying to get the ball from the back of the net.
     
  13. IllinoisRef

    IllinoisRef Member

    Jul 6, 2011
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Goal during the 3 min added time. Long(ish) restart which included a booking. Shouldn't the ref add some time?
     
  14. socal lurker

    socal lurker Member+

    May 30, 2009
    The TI restart was not properly taken w/ the permission of the referee b/c the ball was already on the field (or was about to interfere) . . .
     
  15. colins1993

    colins1993 Member

    Mar 1, 2001
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Nor would I.
     
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  16. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That's what I thought, but the Mexican player--Reyes #13--literally kicked the ball away behind the goal as Hulk went for it. Seemed like an easy caution to sell on Reyes. Of course, it would have been Reyes second!

    I thought Clattenburg overall had a good match. He got himself in a little bit of trouble insofar as managing Brazil, because he didn't punish PI or misconduct as early as they would have liked. But for the most part he called a flowing, sensible match.

    I just think that last bit of decision-making after the Brazil goal was a hiccup. It's one thing to book a player for the technicality of going for the ball when it's not your kickoff after a goal. But Reyes kicked the ball away toward to stands. How much more blatant can "delaying the restart" get?
     
  17. colins1993

    colins1993 Member

    Mar 1, 2001
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Don't think so.
    Looked like it was a MEX def who kicked the ball over towards the corner of the field once he grabbed it out of the net.
     
  18. Kempa

    Kempa Member

    Sep 6, 2007
    Washington Suburbs
    Club:
    Sao Paulo FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Match recap on the Olympics website is showing the 90+1 caution going to Leandro Damiao. I'm not sure if the Olympics publish the game report, so we probably won't know what it was for.
     
  19. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    FIFA report also shows it to Damiao. It had to have been dissent (probably about not booking Reyes). That's really the only option. I genuinely can't understand why he didn't just get rid of Reyes at that point. That would have been an easy card. And not tossing him would have created problems for extra time if Brazil did somehow tie it up.

    http://www.fifa.com/mensolympic/matches/round=256027/match=300197697/report.html
     
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  20. Lloyd Heilbrunn

    Lloyd Heilbrunn Member+

    Feb 11, 2002
    Jupiter, Fl.
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I thought his body language of "I'm in charge" was wonderful, especially with two teams with many players whom I'm guessing had poor English or worse.
     
  21. Alberto

    Alberto Member+

    Feb 28, 2000
    Northern, New Jersey
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Agreed on Clattenburg having a good match. His foul recognition was good and in the second half he got all the cards except the last one correct (Reyes). Brazil is a petulant team. They give it as much as they take it. It was pathetic to see the two Brazilian players arguing with each other on the foul near the top of the penalty area late in the match.
     
  22. bainsey

    bainsey Member

    Aug 9, 2012
    Maine
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    New to the forum, 5th year ref.

    Is is there any good reason to book someone who's getting the ball from the net to speed up the restart, as opposed to delaying it?
     
  23. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    There was an attempt by FIFA to make it a mandatory caution at an international youth tournament several years ago. Essentially, the theory is that it doesn't actually speed up play because it isn't their kickoff and they can't restart. The actual directive was that any deliberate touching of the ball when it wasn't your restart was an automatic caution. Thankfully, that experimental directive didn't get adopted (the drawbacks to the directive seem obvious, but apparently FIFA needed to see them for itself).

    There is now an instruction to book players from the attacking team if they try to collect the ball after a goal is scored and they do so "provocatively" (or in a provocative manner... someone else will probably be able to dig up the instruction).

    So, the "good" reason to do it would be if the attacking player going to collect the ball is turning it into a confrontation and escalating a situation. That didn't happen here. But, then again, the player who went for the ball didn't get booked--another player did--which is why I think it was for dissent.
     
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