Old great players lists (esp. 1950s - 1970s) ?

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  1. schwuppe

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    Sep 17, 2009
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    1968. This isn't really a list, but they ask Yashin about the greatest goalkeepers ever and he names Zamora and Planicka.
    There is also an interview with Zamora - Spain is organizing a World XI tribute game for him or something like that. It is said that only Yashin ever came close to Zamora. Looks like he was seen as the clear GOAT GK before Yashin.
     
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  2. PuckVanHeel

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    Oct 4, 2011
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    Also interesting and intriguing Duncan Edwards is mentioned by two of the four German guys. But I understand there's sometimes a difference between "favorite eleven" and "best" or "greatest' (all three are different things).
     
  3. PuckVanHeel

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    #203 PuckVanHeel, Apr 9, 2019
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    The 3rd and final part of 1955 - 1970:

    Claude Quittet (France)
    Bernard Rahis (France)
    Helmut Rahn (Germany)
    Kiril Rakarow (Bulgaria)
    Antonio Ramallets (Spain)
    Angel Rambert (France)
    Antonio Rattin (Argentina)
    Francois Remetter (France)
    Hector Rial (Argentina)
    Fernando Riera (Chile)
    Cornelius Kees Rijvers (Netherlands)
    Luigi Riva (Italy)
    Gianni Rivera (Italy)
    Feliciano Rivilla (Spain)
    Laurent Robuschi (France)
    Pedro Rocha (Uruguay)
    Daniel Rodigheiro (France)
    Bruno Rodzik (France)
    Serge Roy (France)
    Aulis Rytkonen (Finland)
    Efrain Sanchez (Colombia)
    Leonel Sanchez (Chile)
    Jose Sanfilippo (Argentina)
    Jose Santamaria (Uruguay)
    Djalma Santos (Brazil)
    Nilton Santos (Brazil)
    Paul Sauvage (France)
    Hans Schäfer (Germany)
    Juan Schiaffino (Uruguay)
    Robert Schlienz (Germany)
    Villiam Schrojf (Czechoslovakia)
    Ernie Schultz (France)
    Willi Schulz (Germany)
    Uwe Seeler (Germany)
    Juan Segarra (Spain)
    Dragoslav Sekularac (Yugoslavia)
    Rodriguez Seminario (Peru)
    Guy Senac (France)
    Robert Siatka (France)
    Jacky Simon (France)
    Agne Simonsson (Sweden)
    Omar Sivori (Argentina)
    Henri Skiba (France)
    Josip Skoblar (Yugoslavia)
    Lennart Skoglund (Sweden)
    Angelo Sormani (Brazil)
    Milutin Soskic (Yugoslavia)
    Hugo Sotil (Peru)
    Alberto Spencer (Ecuador)
    Edouard Stako (France)
    Nobby Stiles (England)
    Julian Stopyra (France)
    Andre Strappe (France)
    Joachim Streich (GDR)
    Eduard Streltsov (USSR)
    Luis Suarez (Spain)
    Jean Claude Suaudeau (France)
    Karl Oskar Svensson (Sweden)
    Horst Szymaniak (Germany)
    Jean Taillandier (France)
    Joseph Tellechia (France)
    Theo Skudlapski (France)
    Jose Torres (Portugal)
    Tostao (Brazil)
    Richard Tylinski (France)
    Joseph Ujlaki (France)
    Paul van Himst (Belgium)
    Guy van Sam (France)
    Vava (Brazil)
    Laurent Verbiest (Belgium)
    Jean Vincent (France)
    Roger Vonlanthen (Switzerland)
    Valeri Voronin (USSR)
    Michel Watteau (France)
    Jean Wendling (France)
    Ray Wilson (England)
    Maryan Wisnieski (France)
    Billy Wright (England)
    Mario Zagalo (Brazil)
    Branko Zebec (Yugoslavia)
    Walter Zeman (Austria)
    Simon Zimny (France)
    Mustapha Zitouni (France)

    Rivera has half a page, same as Luis Suarez (five lines more as Seeler, five lines less as record expulsion collector Sivori). Again, if there are questions or puzzles, no problem.

    The next one will be the introduction for 1941 - 1954.

    At the very end I'll post the photos of the index (that also shows the double entries are not an error - they have indeed two page numbers).
     
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  4. PuckVanHeel

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    Oct 4, 2011
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    Feyenoord
    Intro for 1941 - 1954:

    Samba and Csardas

    The second period of our Gotha, which runs between 1940 and 1954, was of course amputated by five years of war during which the activity of national and international football idled.

    In fact, this second chapter spans ten years. With the two summits that constituted the two World Cups of recovery 1950 and 1954 disputed in Brazil and Switzerland. Two competitions that did not yet have the media impact of the modern World Cup, television can not yet magnify the events then constituting the triumph of Uruguayan outsiders (1950) and German (1954) at the expense of major favorites Brazil and Hungary .

    These Brazilians 1950 and 1954 (Zizinho, Ademir, Julinho, Bauer), as well as their Uruguayan winners Andrade (number 2), Ghiggia, Schiaffino, were the worthy successors of Andrade (number 1), Scarone, Petrone, Leonidas, Domingo da Guia . But they were not entitled to the glory and the celebrity that the image of the small screen created. Similarly, it was impossible to appreciate the value of the great Hungarian team that went to beat the English for the first time on Wembley in 1953, before letting escape the 1954 World Champion title that was promised [sic].

    What admiration would have caused the Bozsik, Hidegkuti, Puskas, Kocsis, Csibor, if the film of their exploits had run the whole world. Wonderful artists but also training in the revolutionary tactical system, whose embryonic 4-2-4 detonated Wembley the English WM and the archaic Englishman.

    It can not be forgotten, however, that this same second period of the post-Second World War produced other legendary artists, such as Ben Barek, Gren, Ocwirk, Hanappi, Fritz Walter and the ageless Stanley Matthews. Football was still an art, a joyous show where the offensive spirit, the beautiful gesture, the search for the goal to be scored took precedence. Before the big international competitions of selections and clubs began to deform and the pollute it over the years and made it rarer to see. Before the footballer, trained in the spiral of progress, lost little by little his own technical and tactical personality.
     
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  5. PuckVanHeel

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    So continuing this now, part 1 of 1941 - 1954. I'll post photographs of the index at the very end.

    Roberto Aballay (Argentina)
    Ademir (Brazil)
    Rene Alpsteg (France)
    Yeso Amalfi (Brazil)
    Javier Ambrois (Uruguay)
    Gunnar Andersson (Sweden)
    Victor Andrade (Uruguay)
    Leopold Anoul (Belgium)
    Bram Appel (Netherlands)
    Henri Arnaudeau (France)
    Jose Arribas (Spain and France)
    Salvador Artigas (Spain and France)
    Fred Aston (France)
    Henri Baillot (France)
    Erwin Ballabio (Switzerland)
    Aldo Ballarin (Italy)
    Jean Baratte (France)
    Estanislao Basora (Spain)
    Albert Batteux (France)
    Jose-Carlos Bauer (Brazil)
    Larbi Ben Barek (France)
    Per Bengtsson (Sweden)
    Abdelaziz Ben Tifour (France)
    Alfred Bickel (Switzerland)
    Rene Bihel (France)
    Stefan Bobek (Yugoslavia)
    Roger Bocquet (Switzerland)
    Emile Bongiorni (France)
    Antoine Bonifaci (France)
    Stefan Stefanow Boskow (Bulgaria)
    Jozsef Bozsik (Hungary)
    John J. Carey (Ireland)
    Henry Garvis Carlsson (Sweden)
    Luis Antonio Carniglia (Argentina)
    Desir Carre (France)
    Louis Carre (Belgium)
    Roger Carre (France)
    Amadeo Raul Carrizo (Argentina)
    Cesar (Spain)
    Georges Cesari (France)
    Raymond Cicci (France)
    Anibal Ciocca (Uruguay)
    Jean Courteaux (France)
    Antoine Cuissard (France)
    Stanislas Curyl (France)
    Stephan Dakoski (France)
    Fred Dambach (France)
    Georges Dard (France)
    Julien Darui (France)
    Bertus de Harder (Netherlands)
    Marcel Domingo (France)
    Andre Doye (France)
    Albert Dubreucq (France)
    Ignacio Eizaguirre (Spain)
    Jacques Fatton (Switzerland)
    Jacques Favre (France)
    Ferry Koczur (France)
    Thomas Finney (England)
    Ahmed Firoud (France)
    Kader Firoud (France)
    Pierre Flamion (France)
    Andre Frey (France)
    Roger Gabet (France)
    Agustin Vicandi Gainza (Spain)
    Rene Gallice (France)
    Schubert Gambetta (Uruguay)
    Atilio Garcia (Uruguay)
    Rene Gardien (France)
    Manuel Garriga (France)
    Alcide Edgardo Ghiggia (Uruguay)
    Lazare Gianessi (France)
    Cesar Pancho Gonzales (France)
    Jean Gregoire (France)
    Gunnar Gren (Sweden)
    Andre Grillon (France)
    Jean Grumellon (France)
    Albert Gudmunsson (Iceland)
    Henri Guerin (France)
    Edmond Haan (France)
    Gerhard Hanappi (Austria)
    John Hansen (Denmark)
    Karl Hansen (Denmark)
    Charles Heine (France)
    Oscar Heisserer (France)
    Nandor Hidegkuti (Hungary)
    Henri Hiltl (France)
    Ake Hjalmarsson (Sweden)
    Louis Hon (France)
    Guy Huguet (France)
    Pepi Humpal (Czechoslovakia)
     
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  6. PuckVanHeel

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    Oct 4, 2011
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    Part 2 1941 - 1954:

    Arder Ibrir (France)
    Andre Jacowski (France)
    Michel Jacques (France)
    Joseph Jadrejak (France)
    Hans Jeppson (Sweden)
    Gunnar Johansson (Sweden)
    Egon Jonsson (Sweden)
    Julio Julinho (Brazil)
    Edouard Kargu (France)
    Roger Lamy (France)
    Tommy Lawton (England)
    Jean Lechantre (France)
    Lucien Leduc (France)
    Robert Lemaitre (France)
    Abe Lenstra (Netherlands)
    Williams Liddell (Scotland)
    Werner Liebrich (Germany)
    Felix Loustau (Argentina)
    Jean Luciano (France)
    Wilf Mannion (England)
    Roger Marche (France)
    William Pablo Martinez (Uruguay)
    Roque Maspoli (Uruguay)
    Francisco Paco Mateo (Spain)
    Stanley Matthews (England)
    Valentino Mazzola (Italy)
    Francis Meano (France)
    Ernst Melchior (Austria)
    Bror Mellberg (Sweden)
    Josef Mermans (Belgium)
    Gilbert Harold Merrick (England)
    Oscar Omar Miguez (Uruguay)
    Roger Mindonnet (France)
    Rajko Mitic (Yugoslavia)
    Ahmed Mioubi (France)
    Georges Moreel (France)
    Jose Manuel Moreno (Argentina)
    Max Morlock (Germany)
    Stanley Harding Mortensen (England)
    Eric Nilsson (Sweden)
    Gunnar Nordahl (Sweden)
    Knut Nordahl (Sweden)
    Istvan Nyers (Hungary)
    Ernst Ocwirk (Austria)
    Carlo Parola (Italy)
    Felix Pironti (France)
    Rene Pleimelding (France)
    Guy Poitevin (France)
    Josef Posipal (Germany)
    Carl Praest (Denmark)
    Jean-Marie Prevost (France)
    Jean Prouff (France)
    Antonio Puchades (Spain)
    Roger Quenolle (France)
    Alfred Ernest Ramsey (England)
    Pierre Ranzoni (France)
    Sauveur Rodriguez (France)
    Leon Rossi (France)
    Nestor Rossi (Argentina)
    Marcel Rouviere (France)
    Jean-Cesar Ruminski (France)
    Siergiej Salnikow (USSR)
    Marcel Salva (France)
    Jean-Claude Samuel (France)
    Roger Scotti (France)
    Georges Sesia (France)
    Ladislas Smid Siklo (France)
    Andre Simonyi (France)
    Paul Sinibaldi (France)
    Pierre Sinibaldi (France)
    Jean Snella (France)
    Marceau Sommerlynck (France)
    Stefan Dembicki Stanis (France)
    Branislav Stankovic (Yugoslavia)
    William Steel (Scotland)
    William Steffen (Switzerland)
    Ernst Stojaspal (Austria)
    Jean Swiatek (France)
    Zlatko Tchaikowski (Yugoslavia)
    Bolek Tempowski (France)
    Theodorus Timmermans (Netherlands)
    Bert Trautmann (Germany and England)
    Jose Antonio Barreto Travassos (Portugal)
    Ernest Vaast (France)
    Cornelis van der Hart (Netherlands)
    Roger Vandooren (France)
    Obdulio Jacinto Muinos Varela (Uruguay)
    Rene Vignal (France)
    Bernard Vukas (Yugoslavia)
    Fritz Walter (Germany)
    Marius Walter (France)
    Ottmar Walter (Germany)
    Faas Wilkes (Netherlands)
    George Young (Scotland)
    Telmo Zarra (Spain)
    Zizinho (Brazil)
     
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  7. schwuppe

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    I found this article about A-T Brazilian XIs from 1948.
    Or should we say "Who the fck is that XI?"

    This is interesting as somehow 90% of those players disappear from relevance just 5-10 years later.
    Something we can observe in most countries, people like to rate the old generation.

    In Brazil's case it really doesn't make any sense that their players from the 10s would be greater to someone from the 30s/40s. Only Domingos Da Guia seem to have his spot at that point.
     
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  8. schwuppe

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    I found a site where you can search the Uruguayan library and found the following available as PDF:

    "Anos de 100 futbol" is a series of 27 parts and thousand of pages released in 1970 covering the entire history of Uruguayan football.

    Here is °24 which includes all-time teams:
    http://bibliotecadigital.bibna.gub.uy:8080/jspui/handle/123456789/50855

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  9. schwuppe

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    Biggest surprise: Mazurkiewiez was just 24/25 years old and the writer already considered him the best Uruguayan goalkeeper ever.

    I'm not familiar with Manuel Varela - died in 1927.
     
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  11. schwuppe

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    Sorry for quoting this old post:
    This is exactly what happened in Brazil too. Arthur Friedenreich and his outrageous goal scoring numbers are remembered, rest is forgotten pretty quickly.
     
  12. msioux75

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    Teams B, C, also chosen by the Journalists (18) who wrote the articles.
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    Contemporary players by then: Mazurkiewicz, Matosas, M.Castillo, Rocha,

    Some comments about the reading (total points aren't listed)

    For Keepers, most say that is the role with biggest development (by 1970!). Other mentioned were Mazali and Ballestrero.

    For Right Centerback, Nasazzi was unanimous choice.

    For Left Centerback, M.Varela (CA champion at 1916/17) won a very tight contest.

    For Side Half/Defender, Gambetta had most votes but split for RH/LH, so he could be in A-team instead Gestido. Jorge Pacheco had some votes too for RH.

    For Center Halfback / DM, Gestido had some votes, but Obdulio won the contest over Lorenzo Fernandez.

    For Right Winger, Urdinarán was also voted.

    For Centerforward, Piendibene beat Petrone by 1 vote.

    For Inside Left, Schiaffino beat Carlos Scarone, Cea, Gradín, Porta, Rocha.
     
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  13. PuckVanHeel

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    Before I go to the 1900 - 1940 period, named "the romantic era", and translate the introduction plus the names, here the intro to the entire book:

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    Guess many can understand the gist of it.
     
  14. PuckVanHeel

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    There are some small intriguing bits. Rethacker and Thibert (prominent FF journalists, heavily involved in the Ballon d'Or, founding of European Cup, born in 1930 and 1935 respectively) frames here Cruijff as "fighting [sic] for the preservation of the game" and connects him to the assumed 'old' values rather than - not necessarily in a negative fashion - the technocratic and materialist modernist, a perception that has also happened.


    Intro for 1900 - 1940:

    The Romantic Era

    In the great and fabulous history of football, it is obviously men who have always written the most beautiful pages. By their exploits, their individual talent, their personality. From the origins of sport, the greatest players have played a vital role.

    This first period, which runs for about forty years and opens up the international pantheon of football, was dominated by the British until 1930, before the South American and European competition came to offer serious rivals to the best English players and Scottish.

    The major international competitions revealed new talents during the Olympic Games and the World Cup: Uruguayans from 1924 to 1930, Italians from 1934 to 1938, Austrians from the famous Wunderteam, and there were already some Brazilians.

    In France, the introduction of professionalism, which replaced a growing and inevitably fake amateurism around 1932, led to the arrival of the best foreign footballers, and at the same time the progress of the French players. Pierre Chayrigues, a professional in disguise, was succeeded by Rudi Hiden, already a mediatised star [or: publicized/advertised]. The Racing Club Paris, FC Sochaux were in the first hours the Real Madrid and OM of their own time.

    The game itself undergoes the same evolution: in the evolving old classical method, where two rearguards watched in front of the goalkeeper frozen on his line, while three halves established the connection with the five fronts distributed over the whole width of the ground. It is the British who are still innovating, by creating a new tactical system, the WM with its three backs, its two halves and its two interiors who drew in the middle of the ground the so-called magic square, and with its three forwards differentiated in two wingers and a center forward.

    Posts and roles then diversify naturally, accompanied by methods of preparation and training that advanced the physical and technical value of players around the world.

    We can not forget, however, how much this heroic epoch was rich in footballers-artists that the tactical contingencies had not yet locked in a straitjacket. Glory to the first romantic poets of football, who had rolling names as Andrade, Leonidas or else Sindelar ...

    ----------------------

    N.B. - that of the 'magic square' is definitely true, 100%. It also returns in all the 60s and 50s yearbooks/encyclopedias I have, with having a separate entry. It is 100% not something from the 1980s.
     
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  15. schwuppe

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    #215 schwuppe, Jul 8, 2019
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    The best Italian players of all time? From Nov. 1943
    http://dlib.coninet.it/bookreader.php?&c=1&f=8179&p=1#page/1/mode/1up

    Quick summary

    In the first paragraph following players are mentioned:
    Rosetta
    Bernardini
    Meazza
    Fresia
    Cevenini III

    There is a lengthy explanation about Fresia (he is the only one not included in the XI later on). I'm not sure what it means. A translation would be appreciated.

    His team:
    Combi
    Rosetta - De Vecchi
    Ferraris IV - Bernardini - Fossati
    Conti - Baloncieri - Meazza - Cevenini III - Levratto

    More names:
    De Pra
    Ara
    Burlando
    Magnozzi
    Caligaris
    Monzeglio
    Bertolini
    Pitto
    Andreolo
    Piolo
    Ferrari
    Schiavio

    Special mention to Silvio Piola.

    I assumed at first he considers the likes of Monti and Orsi not Italian, but Michele Andreolo is mentioned...
     
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  16. schwuppe

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    #216 schwuppe, Jul 8, 2019
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    The best in the World (retired players get mentioned so it's supposed to be alltime) per position (incomplete) from July - Aug 1944

    This is done by a different writer than the best Italian article by the way

    Goalkeeper

    http://dlib.coninet.it/bookreader.php?&c=1&f=8555&p=1#page/1/mode/1up

    Zamora is the #1
    Followed by Planicka, Hiden, De Prá and Charignès

    Terzino
    http://dlib.coninet.it/bookreader.php?&c=1&f=8562&p=1#page/1/mode/1up

    Rosetta, Blum, Nasazzi, Quincoces have to be considered the best
    Domingos, Fogl, Gamblin, Ramsayer and De Vecchi next in close distance

    Laterale
    http://dlib.coninet.it/bookreader.php?&c=1&f=8565&p=1#page/1/mode/1up

    Andrade (wonder of 2 Olympics), Aliberti and Gestido are the 3 players who stand out

    Other mentions:
    Janni
    Lazar
    Gamborena

    Midfielders/Supporting midfielders (?)
    http://dlib.coninet.it/bookreader.php?&c=1&f=8567&p=1#page/1/mode/1up

    Kada #1
    Followed shortly by Bernardini and Sarosi
    Next group: Monti, Fernandez (Uruguay) and Zumelzu

    Sarosi is seen as a midfielder here, Bernardini mentioned again. Played his final NT game in 1932.


    Sadly there is nothing for the other positions. Either I can't find it or it doesn't exist.


    Charignès: Never seen this name anywhere. Can't find anything on google. If he's French he was never capped.
     
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  17. peterhrt

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    It could be Pierre Chayriguès, French keeper.
     
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  18. schwuppe

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  19. PuckVanHeel

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    He is mentioned in the intro above. Post #214
     
  20. Titanlux

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    Are there download options for these wonderful publications?
     
  21. schwuppe

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    This isn't from the 50s - 70s, but it is related to Italy again so I thought it fits in here...

    In 1987 Guerin Sportivo made a survey among 100 people involved in Italian football (player, presidents, coaches, referees...):

    "Who's the best Italian footballer of all time?"

    1) Rivera 37
    2) S. Mazzola 13
    3) Riva 11
    4) Meazza 7
    5) Piola 5
    Other 22


    In 1984 they asked Nils Liedholm to name the 10 greatest foreigners to play in Italy

    1) Nordahl
    2) Gren
    3) Schiaffino
    4) Sivori
    5) J. Hansen
    6) Julinho
    7) Wilkes
    8) Falcao
    9) Cerezo
    10) Zico

    The first 3 were his teammates and he coached Falcao and Cerezo.

    and the greatest Italian "he has known" (he has seen play?):

    1) Piola
    2) Rivera
    3) Riva
    4) S. Mazzola
    5) Boniperti
    6) Lorenzi
    7) Muccinelli
    8) Bettega
    9) B. Conti
    10) Antognoni
     
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  22. PuckVanHeel

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    Oct 4, 2011
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    1900 - 1940 part 1:

    Andre Abegglen (Switzerland)
    Max Abegglen (Switzerland)
    Robert Accard (France)
    Paulino Alcantara (Spain)
    Joseph Alcazar (France)
    Luigi Allemandi (Italy)
    Pierre Allemane (France)
    Lauro Amado (Switzerland)
    Manuel Anatol (France)
    Jose Leandro Andrade (Uruguay)
    Mathieu Andre (France)
    Michele Andreolo (Italy)
    Bernard Antoinette (France)
    Emmanuel Aznar (France)
    Bep Backhuys (Netherlands)
    Enrique Ballestrero (Uruguay)
    Adoldo Baloncieri (Italy)
    Maurice Banide (France)
    Henri Bard (France)
    Charles Bardot (France)
    Paul Baron (France)
    Gaston Barreau (France)
    Jean Bastien (France)
    Clifford Bastin (England)
    Algisto Lorenzato 'Batatais' (Brazil)
    Jean Batmale (France)
    Yvan Beck (France)
    Abdelkader Ben Bouali (France)
    Ali Benouna (France)
    Amadeo Biavati (Italy)
    Josef Bican (Austria)
    Jules Bigot (France)
    Sandor Biro (Hungary)
    Josef Blum (Austria)
    Philippe Bonnardel (France)
    Francois Bourbotte (France)
    Jean Boyer (France)
    Raymond Braine (Belgium)
    Juste Brouzes (France)
    Matt Busby (Scotland)
    Bertus Johannes Caldenhove (Netherlands)
    Umberto Caligaris (Italy)
    Fernand Canelle (France)
    Jacques Canthelou (France)
    Jean Capelle (Belgium)
    Maurice Capelle (France)
    Horatio 'Raich' Carter (England)
    Hector 'Divino' Castro (Uruguay)
    Pierre Cazal (France)
    Hector Cazenave (France)
    Jose Pedro Cea (Uruguay)
    Augustin Chantrel (France)
    Max Charbit (France)
    Andre Chardar (France)
    Pierre Chayrigues (France)
    Andre Cheuva (France)
    Leonardo Cilaurren (Spain)
    Errasti Ciriaco (Spain)
    Luigi Colaussi (Italy)
    Gianpiero Combi (Italy)
    Edmund Conen (Germany)
    Maurice Cottenet (France)
    Henri Coulon 'Beau' (France)
    Roger Courtois (France)
    Nicolae Covaci (Romania)
    Sammy Crooks (England)
    Edouard Crut (France)
    Gaston Cypres (France)
    Louis Darques (France)
    Fernando Daucik (Czechoslovakia)
    Robert Dauphin (France)
    Bill 'Dixie' Dean (England)
    Jean Debie (Belgium)
    Rene Dedieu (France)
    Robert Defosse (France)
    Edmond Delfour (France)
    Celestin Delmer (France)
    Attilio De Maria (Argentina and Italy)
    Renzo De Vecchi (Italy)
    Emilien Devic (France)
    Jules Dewaquez (France)
    Raoul Diagne (France)
    Laurent Di Lorto (France)
    Marcel Domergue (France)
    Domingos Antonio Da Guia (Brazil)
    Pablo Dorado (Uruguay)
    Edward Drake (England)
    Raymond Dubly (France)
    Jean Ducret (France)
    Pedro Duhart (France)
    Maurice Dupuis (France)
    Arsenio Erico (Paraguay)
    Juan Evaristo (Argentina)
    Marino Evaristo (Argentina)
    Otto Fehlmann (Switzerland)
    Lorenzo 'Gallego' Fernandez (Uruguay)
    Giovanni Ferrari (Italy)
    Attilio Ferraris IV (Italy)
    Manuel 'Nolo' Ferreira (Argentina)
    Adrien Filez (France)
    Louis Finot (France)
    Alfredo Foni (Italy)
    Charles Fosset (France)
    Andre Francois (France)
    Artur 'Tigre' Friedenreich (Brazil)
    Louis Gabrillargues (France)
    Marcel Galley (France)
    Jimmy Gallagher (United States, born in Scotland)
    Maurice Gallay (France)
    Lucien Gamblin (France)
    Jean Gautheroux (France)
    Rene Gerard (France)
    Alvaro Gestido (Uruguay)
    Ludwig Goldbrunner (Germany)
    Guillermo Gorostiza (Spain)
    Ernest Gravier (France)
    Ernest Gross (France)
    Enrico Guaita (Italy)
    Gabriel Hanot (France)
    Eddie Hapgood (England)
    Laurent Henric (France)
    Helenio Herrera (France)
    Rudi Hiden (Austria and France)
    Pierre Hornus (France)
    Francois Hugues (France)
    Leon Huot 'Poissenot' (France)
     
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  23. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    Clearly missing imho is Harry Denis, considering who else of his country and surrounding countries are in. Can't accuse this book (Rethacker) of a bias against 'Holland' or similar countries though, let that be clear (the 'old school' - and some new ones like Marcotti - journalists and observers in general more favorable to Holland imho than the modern day internet masses, various internet 'pseudo professors', archconservatives as Eric Batty (Geoffrey Green was more receptive), and the whole 'Big Seven' complex where ~95% of all the football money and business is locked in). They include e.g. Van Heel while he wasn't in the VI top 50, but of course he was playing on a more creative position and best known for his dangerous passes.


    1900 - 1940 part 2:

    Victoriano Santos Iriarte (Uruguay)
    David Jack (England)
    Hans Jakob (Germany)
    Alec James (Scotland)
    Paul Janes (Germany)
    Lucien Jasseron (France)
    Gusti Jordan (France)
    Albert Jourda (France)
    Etienne Jourda (France)
    Kada (Czechoslovakia)
    Geza Kalocsai (Czechoslovakia and Hungary)
    Joseph Kaucsar (France)
    Marcel Kauffmann (France)
    Curt Keller (France)
    Fritz Keller (France)
    Albin Kitzinger (Germany)
    Vilmus Kohut (Hungary)
    Desire Koranyi (France)
    Pierre Korb (France)
    Ignace Kowalczyk (France)
    Andreas Kupfer (Germany)
    Angel Labruna (Argentina)
    Isidoro Langara (Spain)
    Marcel Langiller (France)
    Jean Laurent (France)
    Lucien Laurent (France)
    Jaime Lazcano (Spain)
    Maxime Lehmann (France)
    Ernst Lehner (Germany)
    Leonidas da Silva (Brazil)
    Ernest Liberati (France)
    Guillaume 'Willy' Lieb (France)
    Noel Lietaer (France)
    Rene Llense (France)
    Ugo Locatelli (Italy)
    Antonio Lozes (France)
    Eugene Maes (France)
    Jacques Mairesse (France)
    Gyula Mandi (Hungary)
    Blagoje Marjanovic (Yugoslavia)
    Andre Maschinot (France)
    Jules Mathe (France)
    Etienne Mattler (France)
    Giuseppe Meazza (Italy)
    Robert Mercier (France)
    Bill Meredith (Wales)
    Louis Mesnier (France)
    Severino Minelli (Switzerland)
    Louis Mistral (France)
    Henri Moigneu (France)
    Jules Monsallier (France)
    Luis Monti (Argentina and Italy)
    Eraldo Monzeglio (Italy)
    Alan Morton (Scotland)
    Reinhold Münzenberg (Germany)
    Jose Nasazzi (Uruguay)
    Walter Nausch (Austria)
    Oldrich Nejedly (Czechoslovakia)
    Jean Nicolas (France)
    Paul Nicolas (France)
    Edmond 'Mickey' Novicki (France)
    Ljubomir Nuic (France and Yugoslavia)
    Aldo Olivieri (Italy)
    Raimondo Orsi (Argentina and Italy)
    Gyorgy Orth (Hungary and Austria)
    Albert Parsys (France)
    Fernando Paternoster (Argentina)
    Henri Pavillard (France)
    Adolfo Pedernera (Argentina)
    Rene Petit (France)
    Pedro Petrone (Uruguay)
    Carlos Peucelle (Argentina)
    Marcel Pinel (France)
    Silvio Piola (Italy)
    Frantisek Planicka (Czechoslovakia)
    Antonin Puc (Czechoslovakia)
    Jacinto Quincoces (Spain)
    Rudolf Ramseyer (Switzerland)
    Pietro Rava (Italy)
    Luis Regueiro (Spain)
    Jean Rigal (France)
    Roger Rio (France)
    Henri Roessler (France)
    Roger Rolhion (France)
    Virginio Rosetta (Italy)
    Marius Royet (France)
    Jose Samitier (Spain)
    Georges Sarosi (Hungary)
    Emile Sartorius (France)
    Ferenc Sas (Hungary)
    Hector Scarone (Uruguay)
    Anton Schall (Austria)
    Rene Scharwath (France)
    Angelo Schiavio (Italy)
    Imre Schlosser (Hungary)
    Roland Schmitt (France)
    Alejandro Scopelli (Argentina and Mexico)
    Frank Sechehaye (Switzerland)
    Branko Sekoulic (Yugoslavia)
    Pietro Serantoni (Italy)
    Karl Sesta (Austria)
    Mathias Sindelar (Austria)
    Josef Smistik (Austria)
    Jiri Sobotka (Czechoslovakia)
    Guillermo Stabile (Argentina)
    Ljubisa Stevanovic (Yugoslavia)
    Frantisek Svoboda (Czechoslovakia)
    Armand Swartenbroecks (Belgium)
    Frank Swift (England)
    Fritz Szepan (Germany)
    Wladyslaw Szepaniak (Poland)
    Gyorgy Szucs (Hungary)
    Andre Tassin (France)
    Alex Thepot (France)
    Elba de Padua Lima 'Tim' (Brazil)
    Alexandre Tirnanic (Yugoslavia)
    Pal Titkos (Hungary)
    Geza Toldi (Hungary)
    Marcel Triboulet (France)
    Josef Turay (Hungary)
    Marcel Vanco (France)
    Jules Vandooren (France)
    Gerardus Henricus van Heel (Netherlands)
    Louis van Hege (Belgium)
    Francisco Antonio Varallo (Spain)
    Henri Vascout (France)
    Emile Veinante (France)
    Joseph Verlet (France)
    Georges Verriest (France)
    Henri Vialmonteil (France)
    Rudolf Viertl (Austria)
    Alexandre Villaplane (France)
    Jeno Vincze (Hungary)
    Bernard Voorhoof (Belgium)
    Urbain Wallet (France)
    Odon Virag (France)
    Jacques Wild (France)
    Charles Wilkes (France)
    Ernest Willimowski (Poland)
    Ramon Zubiaurre Zabalo (Spain)
    Ricardo Zamora (Spain)
    Mario Zatelli (France)
    Karl Zischek (Austria)
    Gyula Zsengeller (Hungary)
    Angel Redondo Zubieta (Spain)


    Will try to post photographs of the index later.
     
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  24. msioux75

    msioux75 Member+

    Jan 8, 2006
    Lima, Peru
    He's Juan Seminario; Juan Roberto Seminario Rodríguez.
     
  25. Ariaga II

    Ariaga II Member

    Dec 8, 2018
    You might have painted poor Batty a bit too harshly. Arch conservative, yes, but I've just been going through the 70s issue, and he compliments Cruyff/Ajax/Holland as much as he slams them. Basically he seems to criticize them just to make a point/raise discussion/troll. Or to put it another way, he'll put them down in comparison to his beloved 50s, but praise them when he wants to slag everything else that was going on in the 70s. :D For example, I've just gone through the May 75 issue. Check out Batty's analysis of England v Germany (p 4-5). There are many examples like this, where he forgets which line he's supposed to be towing.

    Good point about the big seven complex. Doing my player project has really opened my eyes to it. Turns out playing for Real Madrid or Liverpool hasn't always been a big deal in a global context.
     

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