Old great players lists (esp. 1950s - 1970s) ?

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  1. Ariaga II

    Ariaga II Member

    Dec 8, 2018
    The difference between France and the rest is that, footballing-wise, the others at least had some pedigree to overinflate. You have to be some kind of French to look at their pre-98 achievements and go "yeah, we're the best". That said, seems like a good book, though.

    Still on football-matters, I've never gotten a "we're the kings" vibe from the Germans, except maybe in Nazi-Otto's 30s-ranking. :laugh: Kicker's ratings are famously modest, considering for decades in Europe it's been Germany vs. the rest. They could've gone all-out Brazuca level of insane if they'd wanted to.

    England has a lot of self-inflated nonsense and crap punditry on the surface, but generally the actual football-people know what's what.
     
  2. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel Member+

    Oct 4, 2011
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    #177 PuckVanHeel, Mar 18, 2019
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    As far as football is concerned;

    Kicker is also the magazine that more than once filled in eleven of their own players when asked for the eleven best players in the world of a particular year. For example in 1981 to Guerin Sportivo, so there's that. I don't make this up.

    As far as America is concerned, take a look at their greatest athletes of all time lists and also recent things as thinking (which wasn't challenged) that Tom Brady is more famous *in the world* than Ronaldo and Messi.

    Furthermore, this reputation is a matter of perception, and can differ by region. Luckily, the rest of the European continent seems to be more in agreement with me on these differences in perception (in general terms, dunno for football specific):

    From the BBC:
    "While universal stereotypes [in Britain] might often point toward France as being Europe’s “most arrogant” country, a new survey (7600 people) from the Pew Research Global Attitudes Project takes the above Fast Track report one step further. According to the most recent data, Germany is actually seen as the haughtiest, with France coming in second."

    Funnily, in this same research the French see themselves as the "most arrogant", they place themselves as number one. Meanwhile, typically both Britain and Germany have themselves as number one for "least arrogant", which is paradoxically also a form of arrogance and thinking too much of themselves, one might say (or 'self-impression' as you say). Britain and Germany have France at #1 for "most arrogant", yes (and didn't you say/admit those two cultures/media had a particular imprint in your country, in particular Britain?).

    Yes, I'll continue with the rest later.
     
  3. comme

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    Feb 21, 2003
    A complete tangent but I was reading a book about French culture recently and it was saying how the French like to see themselves as either the best or the worst at everything (this is partially true of almost every country). They almost take pride in being the world's worst, even if that isn't actually the case (like their records on strike action).
     
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  4. Ariaga II

    Ariaga II Member

    Dec 8, 2018
    Like in football, French superiority in other walks of life is something that exists only in their imagination, though. The English gave the world the industrial revolution and football, while the French pioneered... modern art and tasty slugs. Even the Germs can brag about having The Scorpions. :D

    Yes, Finns in football are even more anglocentric than the English, no joke. Like in the last Euro the Finnish media started hyping the exciting new young English side as possible champions. Then when they went out, the media was all "once again the English have failed to meet their expectations". You mean your expectations! No one in actual England expected anything from that team.


    This is very common with people who have exceptional egos. Even when they suck at something, they have to be the best at sucking.
     
  5. PuckVanHeel

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    Oct 4, 2011
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    Feyenoord
    #180 PuckVanHeel, Mar 18, 2019
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    In football terms the French have had a strong (and positive) influence in making football more international. They are one of the founding members of the FIFA and the idea came ultimately from a Frenchman and a Dutchman (who had written FA leader Frederick Wall for the idea, but of course the reception was not warm). Since then they had a hand in establishing many competitions (European Cup, European Championships).

    By and large they have also helped to make football more democratic (for example getting Africa on the train) and inadvertently more egalitarian, from time to time. They were the first 'big' country to kind of accept non-whites in the team (think about that). With discussions like the VAR or backpass rule in the past you also see they are not the most conservative folks in those matters; they were more or less the first 'big' football country to accept the VAR.

    In more general terms, it is true they get mocked for their art and philosophy. The implication being it lacks practical application ("while the French were creating philosophy, we prevented a catholic takeover in Britain and created finance capitalism", a vocal minority says). But that is a stupid caricature. If I look at my country, they have given as a Constitution, the Civil Code, the legal system (which works quite well), a neat central civil registration (sadly greatly abused in WWII), standard measurement systems, the cadastre, surnames, an accurate house numbering system. They also helped in separating the political/judicial power and economic power between The Hague and Amsterdam. The country's official motto is still French ("J'Maintiendrai").

    When they visit well organized countries as Switzerland (to a lesser extent 'Holland') then the reality is 'the French' have helped to make it that way.

    Lol:
    https://dutchreview.com/news/econom...rld-the-netherlands-close-behind-switzerland/
    ;)
     
  6. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel Member+

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    This section will take a long time, and I will do it in phases.

    Here is the introduction for 1971 - 1986 (as good as I can)

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    The princes of the attack

    During this fourth period between 1971 and 1986, a huge evolution of the game occurred with the impressive push of an Anglo-Saxon football that has imposed its power both physically and tactically. The versatility of players brought the defenders, who became skillful and enterprising offensively, closer to constrained attackers who in turn took their share of defensive work.

    Thus was born a total football in Amsterdam, represented by Ajax and the selection of the Netherlands led by an exceptional attacker, the multifaceted Johan Cruyff, whose speed of execution and clarity in judgment was exceptional. But the Dutch were not champions of the world in 1974, because Beckenbauer and the Germans at Bayern had the equally good weapons as they, by the cunning or elegance and more.

    Without forgetting the repeated triumphs of footballers and English clubs in the European Cup, thanks to the little goblin Keegan at Liverpool for example. And if the revived Argentineans finally won the World Cup, it was first that they had become more rigorous, more disciplined, more serious defensively, than they had a genius footballer, a phenomenon, a Pele white and lefthander of the name Maradona.

    But if there is an end to this era marked by the reign of superstar forwards it was also reserved for the Latins of Europe: Italians and French, winners or heroes of the 1982 and 1986 World Cups, maybe reunited and symbolized in one man, Michel Platini, scorer and star of a Europeanized Juventus and a team from France finding twenty-five years after the Tricolores of Kopa world glory and football-panache.
     
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  7. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel Member+

    Oct 4, 2011
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    Feyenoord
    After the France Football coaches thing will now get this underway again.
     
  8. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel Member+

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    Here a start;

    Next to a Francophone focus, maybe some tokenism here and there too. Nevertheless, some of those token inclusions are interesting and have interesting text.

    For example:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pradip_Kumar_Banerjee
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taher_Abouzeid
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ali_Abo_Greisha


    1971 - 1986:

    Tahar Abouzeid (Egypt)
    Ali Abugreisha (Egypt)
    Jean-Pierre Adams (France)
    Mahmoud Al-Khatib (Egypt)
    Georges Alhassan (Ghana)
    Klaus Allofs (Germany)
    Alessandro Altobelli (Italy)
    Loic Amisse (France)
    Osvaldo Ardiles (Argentina)
    Juan Manuel Asensi (Spain)
    Salah Assad (Algeria)
    Attouga (Tunisia)
    Pradib Kumar Banderjee (India)
    Dominique Baratelli (France)
    Bruno Baronchelli (France)
    Dominique Bathenay (France)
    Joel Bats (France)
    Patrick Battiston (France)
    Franz Beckenbauer (Germany)
    Igor Belanov (USSR)
    Lakhdar Belloumi (Algeria)
    Georges Bereta (France)
    Philippe Bergeroo (France)
    Jean-Paul Bertrand-Demanes (France)
    Omar Betrouni (Algeria)
    Roberto Bettega (Italy)
    Carlos Bianchi (Argentina)
    Michel Bibard (France)
    Dominique Bijotat (France)
    Hristo Bonev (Bulgaria)
    Rainer Bonhof (Germany)
    Maxime Bossis (France)
    Francois Bracci (France)
    Liam Brady (Ireland)
    Paul Breitner (Germany)
    Billy Bremner (Scotland)
    Hans-Peter Briegel (Germany)
    Jose Broissart (France)
    Ivan Buljan (Yugoslavia)
    Jorge Burruchaga (Argentina)
    Anatoli Byshovets (USSR)
    Antonio Cabrini (Italy)
    Jose Camacho (Spain)
    Jean Castenada (France)
    Carlos Caszely (Chile)
    Franco Causio (Italy)
    Toninho Cerezo (Brazil)
    Bum-Kun Cha (South Korea)
    Fernando Chalana (Portugal)
    Souleymane Cherif (Guinea)
    Serge Chiesa (France)
    Aleksandre Chivadze (USSR)
    Martin Chivers (England)
    Didier Christophe (France)
    Hector Chumpitaz (Peru)
    Ray Clemence (England)
    Clodoaldo (Brazil)
    Bruno Conti (Italy)
    Terry Cooper (England)
    Christian Coste (France)
    Didier Couecou (France)
    Rolland Corbis (France)
    Alain Couriol (France)
    Jurgen Croy (GDR)
    Johan Cruijff (Netherlands)
    Luis Cubilla (Uruguay)
    Teofilo Cubillas (Peru)
    Ivan Curkovic (Yugoslavia)
    Mustapha Dahleb (Algeria)
    Christian Dalger (France)
    Kenneth Dalglish (Scotland)
    Rinat Dasayev (USSR)
    Kazimierz Deyna (Poland)
    Raymond Domenech (France)
    Jean-Francois Domergue (France)
    Dominique Dropsy (France)
    Helmuth Duckadam (Romania)
    Ralf Edstrom (Sweden)
    Preben Elkjaer-Larsen (Denmark)
    Albert Emon (France)
    Paulo Roberto Falcao (Brazil)
    Ahmed Faras (Morocco)
    Philippe Fargeon (France)
    Gerard Farison (France)
    Gaafar Farouk (Egypt)
    Ali Fergani (Algeria)
    Luis Fernandez (France)
    Elias Figueroa (Chile)
    Ubaldo Fillol (Argentina)
    Klaus Fischer (Germany)
    Louis Floch (France)
    Karl-Heinz Forster (Germany)
    Trevor Francis (England)
    Robert Gadocha (Poland)
    Americo Gallego (Argentina)
    Francisco Gallego (Spain)
    Jean Gallice (France)
    Patrice Garande (France)
    Bernard Gardon (France)
    Albert Gemmrich (France)
    Bernard Genghini (France)
    Claudio Gentile (Italy)
    Dudu Georgescu (Romania)
    Eric Gerets (Belgium)
    John Giles (Ireland)
    Rene Girard (France)
    Alain Giresse (France)
    Jean-Marc Guillou (France)
    Arie Haan (Netherlands)
    Vahid Halilhodzic (Yugoslavia)
    Helmut Haller (Germany)
    Steve Heighway (Ireland)
    Ronnie Hellstrom (Sweden)
    Jupp Heynckes (Germany)
    Pierrick Hiard (France)
    Glenn Hoddle (England)
    Bernd Holzenbein (Germany)
    Horst Hrubesch (Germany)
    Jean-Noel Huck (France)
    Emlyn Hughes (England)
    Barry Hulshoff (Netherlands)
    Humberto Coelho (Portugal)
    ..............

    With special focus on the Ballon d'Or winners: Beckenbauer has text that covers a full page, minus 6-7 lines. Ballon d'Or winner Belanov has like Baggio and Matthaus - see previous section - a 'normal' text. Blokhin has exactly half a page, just as Dalglish. Cruijff has exactly one-and-a-half pages of text. Burruchaga has interestingly slightly more text as a 'normal' one (just like Figueroa) and appears in this section while D10S does not.

    To be continued later. If there are questions on things or puzzles (@PDG1978 ? John Robertson will appear too), no problem.
     
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  9. comme

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    Feb 21, 2003
    An interesting list of names here. Certainly a good number I'm not familiar with.
     
  10. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel Member+

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    Example from today: Raphael Honigstein (one of my least favorite german sports journalists btw) claiming Germany produces every four years a batch of 30 new players that can compete for the World Cup gold medal.

    https://www.unibet.co.uk/blog/talk-...n-football-is-well-wide-of-the-mark-1.1147066

    Brazuca style indeed. I remember all the talk about how deep their 2018 squad was, with folks as Stindl selected, with all due respect.
     
  11. Ariaga II

    Ariaga II Member

    Dec 8, 2018
    Has any nation ever had a generation with 30 players that could compete for WC gold?

    Maybe he meant competitive in the same way Iceland is competitive? :D
     
  12. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel Member+

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    Part two of 1971 - 1986:

    Jose Iribar (Spain)
    Rinus Israel (Netherlands)
    Gerard Janvion (France)
    Jairzinho (Brazil)
    Philippe Jeannol (France)
    Pat Jennings (Northern Ireland)
    Jean-Francois Jodar (France)
    Joe Jordan (Scotland)
    Rui Jordao (Portugal)
    Roger Jouve (France)
    Juanito (Spain)
    Manfred Kaltz (Germany)
    Josip Katalinski (Yugoslavia)
    Muamba Kazadi (Zaire)
    Kevin Keegan (England)
    Fantamady Keita (Mali)
    Salif Keita (Mali)
    Piet Keizer (Netherlands)
    Mario Kempes (Argentina)
    Ray Kennedy (England)
    Raoul Kidumu (Congo)
    Johann Krankl (Austria)
    Ruud Krol (Netherlands)
    Lothar Kurbjuweit (GDR)
    Labied (Morocco)
    Bernard Lacombe (France)
    Hacene Lalmas (Algeria)
    Jean-Francois Larios (France)
    Jean-Michel Larque (France)
    Grzegorz Lato (Poland)
    Muda Lawal (Nigeria)
    Jean-Claude Lemoult (France)
    Silvano Lenarduzzi (Canada)
    Soren Lerby (Denmark)
    Yvon Le Roux (France)
    Pierre Littbarski (Germany)
    Christian Lopez (France)
    Wlodzimierz Lubanski (Poland)
    Samuel McIlroy (Northern Ireland)
    Felix Magath (Germany)
    Roger Magnusson (Sweden)
    Philippe Mahut (France)
    Sepp Maier (Germany)
    Jean Manga-Onguene (Cameroon)
    Silvio Marzolini (Argentina)
    Marian Masny (Czechoslovakia)
    Ladislao Muzurkiewicz (Uruguay)
    Alain Merchadier (France)
    Roland Mitoraj (France)
    Alain Moizan (France)
    Fernando Morena (Uruguay)
    Abdou Mostafa (Egypt)
    Francois M'Pele (Congo)
    Jan Mulder (Netherlands)
    Dieter Muller (Germany)
    Hans Peter Muller (Germany)
    Rene Muller (GDR)
    Alan Mullery (England)
    Pierre Mulamba Ndaye (Zaire)
    Frederic N'Doumbe (Cameroon)
    Johan Neeskens (Netherlands)
    Zdenek Nehoda (Czechoslovakia)
    Manuel Nene (Portugal)
    Gunther Netzer (Germany)
    Michel N'Gom (France)
    Thomas N'Kono (Cameroon)
    Bjorn Nordqvist (Sweden)
    Tibor Nyilasi (Hungary)
    Segun Odegbami (Nigeria)
    Morten Olsen (Denmark)
    Philippe Omondi (Uganda)
    Anton Ondrus (Czechoslovakia)
    Wolfgang Overath (Germany)
    Laurent Paganelli (France)
    Nicos Panjaras (Cyprus)
    Dragan Pantelic (Yugoslavia)
    Ijac Pantelic (Yugoslavia)
    Dimitris Papaioannou (Greece)
    Claude Papi (France)
    Patrick Parizon (France)
    Park Doo-Ik (North Korea)
    Park Seung-Zin (North Korea)
    Daniel Passarella (Argentina)
    Eric Pecout (France)
    Gustavo Pena (Mexico)
    Luis Pereira (Brazil)
    Jean Petit (France)
    Sory Petit (France)
    Bruno Pezzey (Austria)
    Jean-Marie Pfaff (Belgium)
    Francis Piasecki (France)
    Oswaldo Piazzi (Argentina)
    Jean-Marc Pilorget (France)
    Michel Platini (France)
    Laurent Pokou (Ivory Coast)
    Jurgen Pommerenke (GDR)
    Fabrice Poullain (France)
    Herbert Prohaska (Austria)


    Focus on BdO winners again: Keegan has a half page dedicated to him, like for example Sepp Maier, Nordqvist, Neeskens. Kempes three-quarters of a page (same for e.g. Krankl). Michel Platini has - like Beckenbauer - just a few lines short of a full page dedicated to him. Gerd Muller appears in the era before (1955 until the end of 1970).
     
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  13. comme

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    Feb 21, 2003
    That is clearly an exaggeration but I guess was built on the performance of the Under 21s and the team that went to the Confederations Cup.

    At the same time, with the likes of Muller, Ozil, Hummels and Boateng gone, the Germany side is rather lacking in star quality now.
     
  14. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel Member+

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    Third part of 1971 - 1986:

    Quini (Spain)
    Gilles Rampillon (France)
    Rob Rensenbrink (Netherlands)
    John Nicolaas Rep (Netherlands)
    Pierre Repellini (France)
    Herve Revelli (France)
    Patrick Revelli (France)
    Carlos Rexach (Spain)
    Andre Rey (France)
    Patrice Rio (France)
    Roberto Rivellino (Brazil)
    John Robertson (Scotland)
    Dominique Rocheteau (France)
    Gernot Rohr (France)
    Paulo Rossi (Italy)
    Jean-Paul Rostagni (France)
    Laurent Roussey (France)
    Olivier Rouyer (France)
    Karl-Heinz Rummenigge (Germany)
    Albert Rust (France)
    Omar Sahnoun (France)
    Carlos Santillana (Spain)
    Jacques Santini (France)
    Christian Sarramagna (France)
    Ramas Shengelia (USSR)
    Karl-Heinz Schnellinger (Germany)
    Harald Schumacher (Germany)
    Bernd Schuster (Germany)
    Hans-Georg Schwarzenbeck (Germany)
    Gaetano Scirea (Italy)
    Peter Shilton (England)
    Allan Simonsen (Denmark)
    Didier Six (France)
    Socrates (Brazil)
    Gerard Soler (France)
    Graeme Souness (Scotland)
    Jurgen Sparwasser (GDR)
    Leonard Specht (France)
    Ulrich Stielike (Germany)
    Gordon Strachan (Scotland)
    Safet Susic (Yugoslavia)
    Sunday (Ghana)
    Christian Synaeghel (France)
    Andrzej Szarmach (Poland)
    Dhiab Tarak (Tunisia)
    Marco Tardelli (Italy)
    Jean Christophe Thouvenel (France)
    Jean Tigana (France)
    Mohammed Timoumi (Morocco)
    Jean-Pierre Tokoto (Cameroon)
    Jan Tomaszewski (Poland)
    John Toshack (Wales)
    Jose Toure (France)
    Marius Tresor (France)
    Yves Triantafilos (France)
    Thierry Tusseau (France)
    Jorge Valdano (Argentina)
    Jan van Beveren (Netherlands)
    Rene van de Kerkhof (Netherlands)
    Willy van de Kerkhof (Netherlands)
    Wim van Hanegem (Netherlands)
    Wilfried van Moer (Belgium)
    Frank Vercauteren (Belgium)
    Ivo Viktor (Czechoslovakia)
    Eberhard Vogel (GDR)
    Berti Vogts (Germany)
    Konrad Weise (GDR)
    Ray Wilkins (England)
    Daniel Xuereb (France)
    Hector Yazalde (Argentina)
    Aleksandr Zavarov (USSR)
    Bernard Zenier (France)
    Zico (Brazil)
    Jacques Atre Zimako (France)
    Dino Zoff (Italy)
    Victor Zvunka (France)

    Rossi has a bit more than a half page on him (e.g. Rensenbrink, Tigana, Zoff has half a page). Rummenigge has one-third of a page (same as BdO winner Simonsen, Tresor), Zico a bit less than that.

    If there are questions I'll hear.
     
  15. PuckVanHeel

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    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    It does say by the way Zico was for a brief moment, around early 1983, perhaps the best player in the world.
     
  16. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel Member+

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    At the very end I'll make photos of the index with all the names. 1955 to 1970 will be continued at a later date.
     
  17. wm442433

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    Guinean.
     
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  18. PuckVanHeel

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    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    The introduction for 1955 - 1970:


    The kingdom of Pelé

    A Hungarian period was succeeded, between 1955 and 1970, by a double hegemony in the world and in Europe, in terms of selections and clubs.

    At the national team level, the World Cup was the almost exclusive property of a triple Brazil defeating others in 1958, 1962 and 1970. A Brazilian era marked by the superiority of a football and footballers finally combining the collective spirit, the tactical sense (birth of the famous 4-2-4, then 4-3-3) with an always incomparable technical virtuosity.

    Domination facilitated especially by perhaps the presence of the greatest footballer of all time: Edson Arantes do Nascimento, said Pele. King Pelé, who was from 16 to 28 years old a real phenomenon of talent and efficiency.

    It was also in this period that a club dominated European and international football without discussion, aided by another exceptional player: the supremacy of a Real Madrid winning the first five European Champion Cups with and thanks to Alfredo di Stefano, the leaders and the masters of the game. Without forgetting though his left winger Gento who won six times the event (1966 as extra).

    But we can not forget the triumphs of the Portuguese Benfica (Eusebio), the English (Bobby Charlton), the Italians of Milan and Inter (Rivera, Mazzola). In France, the glorious epic of Reims and the team of France 58 (Kopa, Fontaine) was unfortunately followed by a long crossing of the desert ...
     
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  19. PuckVanHeel

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    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    Peculiarly there are a handful double entries (double to 1971 - 1986) with some slightly different write-ups and emphasis in some cases too. Feyenoord legend Rinus Israel (born 19 march 1942) for example features both here and the later era (it can be said he played until his 40th at the highest level, the oldest outfield player in Eredivisie history), but also a few others as Chumpitaz.


    Part 1 of 1955 - 1970:

    Claude Abbes (France)
    Ad-Diba (Egypt)
    Ademir da Guia (Brazil)
    Jose Aguas (Portugal)
    Hassan Akesbi (Morocco)
    Florian Albert (Hungary)
    Enrico Albertosi (Italy)
    Rifaat Al-Fanaguili (Egypt)
    Mahmoud Al-Gohri (Egypt)
    Ivor Allchurch (Wales)
    Jose Altafini (Brazil)
    Amaro Amancio (Spain)
    Amarildo (Brazil)
    Pietro Anastasi (Italy)
    Antonio Angelillo (Argentina)
    Charles Antenen (Switzerland)
    Jimmy Armfield (England)
    Marcel Artelesa (France)
    Luis Artime (Argentina)
    Georgi Asparuhov (Bulgaria)
    Marcel Aubour (France)
    Jose Augusto (Portugal)
    Jean Baeza (France)
    Alan Ball (England)
    Driss Bamous (Morocco)
    Gordon Banks (England)
    Edmond Baraffe (France)
    Pierre Barlaguet (France)
    Vladimir Beara (Yugoslavia)
    Luis Bellini (Brazil)
    Ferenc Bene (Hungary)
    Orvar Bergmark (Sweden)
    Pierre Bernard (France)
    George Best (Northern Ireland)
    Henri Biancheri (France)
    Guillaume Bieganski (France)
    Bernard Blanchet (France)
    Danny Blanchflower (Northern Ireland)
    Rene Bliard (France)
    Bruno Bollini (France)
    Roberto Boninsegna (Italy)
    Giampiero Boniperti (Italy)
    Joseph Bonnel (France)
    Vujadin Boskov (Yugoslavia)
    Bernard Bosquier (France)
    Jean-Claude Bras (France)
    Ruben Bravo (Argentina)
    Hercules Brito (Brazil)
    Stephane Bruey (France)
    Lucjan Brychczy (Poland)
    Robert Budzinski (France)
    Lorenzo Buffon (Italy)
    Johann Buzek (Austria)
    Pierre Cahuzac (France)
    Zlatko Cajkowski (Yugoslavia)
    Antonio Carbajal (Mexico)
    Louis Cardiet (France)
    Carlos Alberto (Brazil)
    Georges Carnus (France)
    John Charles (Wales)
    Daniel Charles-Alfred (France)
    Jacky Charlton (England)
    Bobby Charlton (England)
    Albert Chesternev (USSR)
    Abdelmajid Chetali (Tunisia)
    Bernard Chiarelli (France)
    Andre Chorda (France)
    Hector Chumpitaz (Peru)
    Thadee Cisowski (France)
    Roger Claessen (Belgium)
    Enrique Collar (Spain)
    Dominique Colonna (France)
    Mario Coluna (Portugal)
    Nestor Combin (France)
    Rik Coppens (Belgium)
    Mario Corso (Italy)
    Lucien Cossou (France)
    Jose Costa Pereira (Portugal)
    Luis Cubilla (Uruguay)
    Zoltan Czibor (Hungary)
    Igor Chislenko (USSR)
    Hector De Bourgoing (France)
    Leon Deladeriere (France)
    Luis del Sol (Spain)
    Gabriel de Michele (France)
    Rene Dereuddre (France)
    Didi Waldyr Pereira (Brazil)
    Fleury di Nallo (France)
    Alfredo di Stefano (Spain)
    Jean Djorkaeff (France)
    Rene Domingo (France)
    Yvon Douis (France)
    Peter Ducke (GDR)
    Roland Ducke (GDR)
    Antal Dunai (Hungary)
    Vladimir Durkovic (Yugoslavia)
    Dragan Dzajic (Yugoslavia)
    Duncan Edwards (England)
    Albert Eloy (France)
    Daniel Eon (France)
    Herbert Erhardt (Germany)
    Leif Eriksson (Sweden)
    Eusebio (Portugal)
    Evaristo de Macedo (Brazil)
    Giacinto Facchetti (Italy)
    Rene Ferrier (France)
    Jacques Fois (France)
    Just Fontaine (France)
    Max Fulgenzy (France)
    Ali Gagarine (Sudan)
    Milan Galic (Yugoslavia)
    Jesus Garay (Spain)
    Garrincha (Brazil)
    Tommy Gemmell (Scotland)
    Francisco Gento (Spain)
    Figuereido Germano (Portugal)
    Gerson (Brazil)
    Gilmar (Brazil)
    Raoul Giraudo (France)
    Leon Glovacki (France)
    Philippe Gondet (France)
    Yvon Goujon (France)
    Harry Gregg (Northern Ireland)
    Gilbert Gress (France)
    Pierre Grilllet (France)
    Gyula Grosics (Hungary)
    Roland Guillas (France)
    Bengt Gustavsson (Sweden)
    Andre Guy (France)
    Kurt Hamrin (Sweden)
    Ernst Happel (Austria)
    Rene Hauss (France)
    Gerard Hausser (France)
    Yves Herbet (France)
    Robert Herbin (France)
    Francois Heutte (France)
    Georges Heylens (Belgium)
    Michel Hidalgo (France)
    Gerry Hitchens (England)
    Ivan Horvat (Yugoslavia)
    Alexander Horvath (Czechoslovakia)
    Geoff Hurst (England)


    Surprisingly, Florian Albert has only a quarter page. Bobby Charlton has half a page (I don't understand why Czibor has slightly more lines, but it's more than Didi and the same as Dzajic). Eusebio got two-thirds of a page. Di Stefano has one page and a quarter of text (I can already reveal Pelé has more). Garrincha has somewhat surprisingly (to me) a bit less as a full page, though it mentions his tragic decline, isolation and death as part of the folklore. Gento, who is mentioned in the introduction, receives one-third (like Greaves, Hurst).
     
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  20. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel Member+

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    Forgot to mention George Best (a Ballon d'Or winner) got only one-third of a page. That might appear shocking, and a bit more would have been appropriate (it's the same as Johnstone), but it's often forgotten he actually won his BdO with one of the lowest vote percentages in history.

    Part 2 of 1955 - 1970:

    Rinus Israel (Netherlands)
    Valentin Ivanov (USSR)
    Aime Jacquet (France)
    Jair (Brazil)
    Dimitar Jakimov (Bulgaria)
    Lev Jasjin (USSR)
    Petar Jekov (Bulgaria)
    Drazan Jerkovic (Yugoslavia)
    Jimmy Johnstone (Scotland)
    Karol Jokl (Czechoslovakia)
    Robert Jonquet (France)
    Jef Jurion (Belgium)
    Raymond Kaelbel (France)
    Kallet (Ivory Coast)
    Ove Kindvall (Sweden)
    Jan Klaassens (Netherlands)
    Sandor Kocsis (Hungary)
    Ivan Kolev (Bulgaria)
    Karl Koller (Austria)
    Raymond Kopa (France)
    Laszlo Kubala (Hungary)
    Andrej Kavasniak (Czechoslovakia)
    Maurice Lafont (France)
    Georges Lamia (France)
    Denis Law (Scotland)
    Michel Leblond (France)
    Georges Lech (France)
    Kalevi Lehtovirta (Finland)
    Roger Lemerre (France)
    Andre Lerond (France)
    Nils Liedholm (Sweden)
    Nat Lofthouse (England)
    Marcel Loncle (France)
    Charles Loubet (France)
    Xerces Louis (France)
    Luciano (Ethiopia)
    Francois Ludo (France)
    Ole Madsen (Denmark)
    Khennane Mahi (Algeria)
    Anderraman Mahjoub (France)
    Cesare Maldini (Italy)
    Eustache Mangle (Ivory Coast)
    Manol Manolov (Bulgaria)
    Jean-Jacques Marcel (France)
    Marcelino (Spain)
    Synakowski Marian (France)
    Humberto Maschio (Argentina)
    Serge Masnaghetti (France)
    Josef Masopust (Czechoslovakia)
    Mauro (Brazil)
    Alessandro Mazzola (Italy)
    Jimmy McIlroy (Northern Ireland)
    Victor Mees (Belgium)
    Rachid Mekloufi (France)
    Bror Mellberg (Sweden)
    Worku Menguistou (Ethiopia)
    Slawa Metrevelli (USSR)
    Michel Mezy (France)
    Wilberforce Mfum (Ghana)
    Henri Michel (France)
    Pierre Michelin (France)
    Milos Milutinovic (Yugoslavia)
    Velibor Milutinovic (Yugoslavia)
    Marc Molitor (France)
    Bobby Moore (England)
    Coen Moulijn (Netherlands)
    Gerd Muller (Germany)
    Lucien Muller (France)
    Miguel Munoz (Spain)
    Georgi Najdenow (Bulgaria)
    Igor Netto (USSR)
    Jean Nicolay (Belgium)
    Harald Nielsen (Denmark)
    Ladislav Novak (Czechoslovakia)
    Jacky Novi (France)
    Fernando Olivella (Spain)
    Celestin Oliver (France)
    Kofi Osei (Ghana)
    Stanislaw Oslizlo (Poland)
    Peter Palotas (Hungary)
    Joaquin Peiro (Spain)
    Pelé (Brazil)
    Juhani Peltonen (Finland)
    Armand Penverne (France)
    Pepé (Brazil)
    José Maria Pereda (Spain)
    Robert Peri (France)
    Martin Peters (England)
    Georges Peyroche (France)
    Roger Piantoni (France)
    Wilson Piazza (Brazil)
    Eddy Pieters Graafland (Netherlands)
    Pirri (Spain)
    Jean-Claude Piumi (France)
    Svatopluk Pluskal (Czechoslovakia)
    Thadee Polak (France)
    Jan Popluhar (Czechoslovakia)
    Ferenc Puskas (Hungary)

    Yashin has two-thirds of a page, just as Kopa and G. Muller. Denis Law half a page (like Mazzola, Kocsis, Moore). Masopust has a quarter page (less than for ex. Moulijn which doesn't feel entirely right). I don't fully understand what Palotas is doing here, given their own write-up (all the achievements they list except one before 1955, though in 1955 he was only 24 years old). Pelé has a full one-and-a-half pages on him, which is effectively a record (since about eight lines of Cruijff his profile is about his coaching influence and coaching accolades/achievements, though suggesting the player/coach cannot be fully separated). Somewhat surprising Pelé his long-time colleague Pepe received two-thirds of a page. Puskas was left with two lines more than two-thirds of a page.
     
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  21. Ariaga II

    Ariaga II Member

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  22. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel Member+

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    With the exception of Litmanen (who is also included in this work that runs until 1994), who would you say was 'the best', or candidates for the best, Finnish players until that point? :)
     
  23. Ariaga II

    Ariaga II Member

    Dec 8, 2018
    Tolsa (that's why I asked about his Belgian rep) and Rytkönen (expect to see him in the next batch of names) are strong candidates for an all-time 11. Besides them, I'd say Peltonen and Pahlman. Lehtovirta (with Nils Rikberg) was Finland's second ever pro footballer, but seeing him on the list was surprising. Him playing in Ligue 2, the second strongest league in the world at that particular time, probably helped. :D
     
  24. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel Member+

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    This is what they wrote:

    Born on February 20, 1928 in Turku, this cold man, left winger, was a player-creator of great finesse, deft passer and reasonable intelligent, who, after having started and revealed himself under the colors of Turun PS, came to France, at the Red Star, during the 1950s."This impenitent left-handed man with the face of a weasel and the duck's gait is clever like a monkey," wrote the 1955 'France Football' directory, which made a lot of animals for one man. Lehtovirta, 44 times Finnish international between 1947 and 1953, scored 13 goals for the selection (2 in Rotterdam against Holland in 1951, score 4-4, 2 against Belgium in 1953, 2-4) then moved back to Turun Pyrkiva.
     
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  25. schwuppe

    schwuppe Member+

    Sep 17, 2009
    Club:
    FC Kryvbas Kryvyi Rih
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    1968, Germans and Brits name their "favorite" post-war player XI
    They really love Djalma Santos.
     
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