Old great players lists (esp. 1950s - 1970s) ?

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  1. PuckVanHeel

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    Oct 4, 2011
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    The first edition of Radnedge's famous encyclopedia is from slightly later, before the 1994 World Cup. It's nice that they write the date of birth above the 225 players. Maybe you had that book in mind too?

    Born in the 19th century were:

    J.L. Andrade (Uruguay - b. 1898)
    Bloomer (England - b. 1874)
    Kalman Konrad (Hungary - b. 1895)
    Billy Meredith (England - b. 1874)
    Alan Morton (Scotland - b. 1893)
    Hector Scarone (Uruguay - b. 1898)

    Many have made room for newcomers indeed, with six remaining, but equally interesting are Konrad's and to a lesser extent Scarone's recognition.

    I also looked for the youngest inclusions and those were Tomas Brolin (Sweden - b. 1969), who got in for euro 1992, the 1993 Cup Winners Cup win and to a lesser extent 'Italia 90'. Dennis Bergkamp is the other one of 1969 but six months older than Brolin. "His talent was so obvious" they say.

    On that note, Moulijn is declared "maybe Holland's first post-war superstar", which is not totally baseless and without merit. But then I see they 'forgot' about including fellow Rotterdammer Wilkes (even if he had been included, like e.g. Barrett did in 1973, then you can still make an argument for that statement).
     
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  2. comme

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    Feb 21, 2003
    I did yes. I have the 1998 edition of that book and I think it is another excellent one that was superb for its time, it had a lot of players in it who I hadn't really heard of then, but it does omit a lot of earlier players. The youngest player in that one is Michael Owen.

    This omission of the early greats was then compounded by the various players of the century lists that came out and (rightly) left out the earlier players of the 19th century. Those lists I think then became in some ways defintive and as a result many people were further forgotten.

    Personally I feel something of a duty (maybe overstating it) to try to keep some memory or record of them alive.
     
  3. PuckVanHeel

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    Do you know maybe more recollections like the one of Ivan Sharpe? Or @peterhrt?

    Those can be very helpful too in tracking the genealogy of this thinking.
     
  4. comme

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    Feb 21, 2003
    I don't know if this counts but these were the foreigners picked out in Association Football (1960).

    Great Czech players

    Jan Kosek, Baumruck, Fichta, Vaniek, Posek, the one-eyed Janda, Karel Kozeluh, Koletney, Kada. In the German bohemian ranks: Pilar, Dvorazek, Kurpiel, Kubik, Kienzl, Merz, Fischl, Less were most famous.

    Hungary

    Alfred Schaffer, centre or inside forward, Pataky, Schlosser, Orth, Szabo, Biro, Sarosi, Titkos, Mandl, the full-backs Rumbold and Revesz, the brothers Konrad, Vogl, Kertesz, Molnar, the goalies Zsak and Platko- I doubt they were ever surpassed. Every one of them at present day values would justify a new English transfer record.

    Austria

    Of the greatest Austrian players I shall name only name here M.J. Leuthe, Adolf Fischera, Studnicka, Cohn, Braunsteiner, Karl Pekarna, Popovic, Bauer, Svatoch, Wondrak, Scmieger, Kuthan, Kurz, Blum, Wieser, Bican, Josef Uridil, Binder.

    Later Ocwirk, Hanappi, Wagner, Zeman, Happel, Melchior, became names popular in every country.

    Italy

    De Vecchi, Rosetta, Ferrari, Piola, Meazza, Ferraris, Schiavio, Andreoli, Baloncieri, Caligaris, Combi, Rava, Foni, Parola, Amadei, Bacigalupo and Boniperti were of international fame.

    Switzerland

    Dr Ernst Kaltenbach, Schneebeli, Ramseyer, Schmiedlin, Minelli, Sechehaye, Lehmann, Amado, Fatton, Bickel, Pulver, the three brothers Abbeglen are just a few stars of international fame.

    Sweden

    Some of the most famous players were Helge Ekroth, Malm, Lindberg, Kock, Fribeg, Kaufeldt, Keller, Rydell, Alfredsson etc.

    Denmark

    Jacobsen, Meimcke, Gandil, Buchwald and Axel Andersson were important pioneers and early stars.

    Spain

    Zamora, Samitier, Piera, Dr. Alcantara, Aguirrezabala, Quincoces, and in more recent times, Gainza, Basaro, Kubala and Di Stefano were among the world’s finest footballers.

    Argentina

    Martino, Santos Gabino Sosa, Paco Garcia, Ignaci Romero, Corazzo, Ferreira, Evaristo and others were only a few of a large bevy of grand players. Di Stefano, Gomez, who moved to Milan FC for a record transfer and signing fee, Montuori, who helped Fiorentina to win a record title show the high level of Argentine soccer.

    Brazil

    The mulatto Friedenreich, the negro Leonidas, Fausto, Domingos, Valdemar do Brito, Batataes, Romen and Hercules belonged to the “immortals”.
     
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  5. comme

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    Here is another list from the same book:

    Goalkeepers

    Sam Hardy

    Elisha Scott

    Rudi Hiden

    Ricardo Zamora

    Beara

    Jerry Dawson

    Leigh Richmond Roose

    Frank Swift

    Bert Trautmann

    Harry Hibbs

    Gil Merrick

    Ted Taylor

    Howard Matthews

    Jack Harding

    Albert Gray

    Ted Ditchburn

    Joe Glossop

    Jack Whitley

    Bert Williams

    Ted Sagar

    Sam Bartram

    R.G. Brebner

    Howard Baker


    Full-Backs


    Bob Campbell

    Jock Marshall

    Jock Hutton

    George Young

    Howard Spencer

    Bob Crompton

    Herbert Smith

    Jesse Pennington

    Laurie Scott

    George Male

    David Taylor

    James Sharp

    Jimmy Blair

    Dicky Downs

    Karl Sesta

    Leslie Hofton

    Moses Russell

    AM Walters

    PM Walters

    Alf Ramsey

    Sam Barkas

    Tom Cooper

    Ernest Blenkinsop

    Bert Sproston

    George Hardwick

    John Carey

    CB Fry

    Bill McCracken

    Jose Emilio Santamaria

    William Martinez

    Victor Rodriguez Andrade


    Centre-halfs


    John Charles

    Harry Johnston

    Billy Wright

    Stan Cullis

    Billy Wedlock

    Johnnie Holt

    Charlie Roberts

    Ernest Needham

    Ernst Ocwirk

    Frank Barson

    Joe McCall

    Alex Raisbeck

    Andy Aitken

    Nils Middelboe

    Jack Hill

    Tom Bradshaw

    Tom Griffiths

    Jimmy Seddon

    Tom Boyle

    Colin Veitch

    Davie Meiklejohn

    Neil McBain

    Jimmy Harrop

    Fred Keenor

    Jack Barker

    Neil Franklin

    Tom Wilson

    Charles Thomson

    Frank Buckley

    Herbert Roberts


    Wing halves


    Matt Busby

    George Richards

    Norman Bullock

    George Brown

    Jimmy Gibson

    Neil Gibson

    Jack Crayston

    Frank Cuggy

    Tom Galley

    Jackie Bray

    Frank Soo

    Henry Cockburn

    Jimmy McMullen

    Charlie Jones

    Ken Willingham

    Bill Shankly

    Peter McWilliam

    Andy Ducat

    Clifford Britton

    Bob Glendinning

    William Hardy

    David Steele

    Harry Healless

    Willis Edwards

    Ronnie Burgess

    Bill Nicholson

    Alex Forbes

    Ray Barlow

    Ronnie Clayton

    Duncan Edwards

    Wilf Copping

    Kenneth Hunt

    Ben Warren

    Tom Brittleton

    Arthur Grimsdell

    Joe Mercer

    Ron Flowers


    Outside forwards


    Billy Meredith

    Stanley Matthews

    Alan Morton

    Alex Jackson

    Joe Hulme

    Julinho

    Billy Bassett

    WC Athersmith

    Fred Spiksley

    John Rutherford

    Jack Sharp

    Fred Pentland

    Jocky Simpson

    Charles Wallace

    Alfed Quantrill

    Sam Chedgzoy

    Sammy Crooks

    Bobby Langton

    Willie Waddell

    Jimmy Delaney

    George Wall

    Jimmy Dimmock

    Fred Tunstall

    Eric Brook

    Cliff Bastin

    Billy Liddell

    Johnny Hancocks

    Jack Rowley

    Jimmy Mullen

    Harold Hardman

    Fred Walden

    Ted Vizard

    Bobby Mitchell

    Tom Finney


    Inside forwards


    John Goodall

    Vivian Woodward

    William Gillespie

    Clem Stephenson

    John Duncan

    Peter Doherty

    Wilf Mannion

    Steve Bloomer

    Joe Smith

    Bob Whittingham

    Bobby Charlton

    Nuts Cobbold

    RE Foster

    Tom McInally

    Len Shackleton

    Alex James

    Harold Fleming

    Roy Bentley

    Stan Mortenson

    Charles Buchan

    George Holley

    Tommy Walker

    Jimmy Hagan

    David Jack

    Joe Bache

    James Howie

    Billy Walker

    Andrew Cunningham

    Fred Tilson

    Raich Carter

    Walter Fielding

    Juan Schiaffino

    Didi

    Syd Puddefoot

    Gordon Hodgson

    Joe Bradford

    Willie Hall

    Jackie Sewell

    Patsy Gallagher

    Alec Stevenson


    Centre-forward


    Alf Common

    Pongo Waring

    Gunnar Nordahl

    Jackie Milburn

    Tommy Lawton

    Dixie Dean

    Jimmy McGrory

    Sandy Turnbull

    Nat Lofthouse

    John Charles

    Hughie Gallacher

    George Hilsden

    George Camsell

    Jack Rowley

    Bert Freeman

    Harry Stapley

    Albert Sheppard

    GO Smith

    RS McColl

    Len Davies

    Jimmy Hampson

    George Hunt

    Jimmy Quinn

    Harry Hampton

    Ted Drake

    Derek Dooley

    Trevor Ford
     
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  6. PuckVanHeel

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    I found a few more things luckily (both in my collection, library and new acquisitions).

    Will post it soon.
     
  7. PuckVanHeel

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    It falls slightly outside the scope but since it has the same editor;

    Normann Barrett's 'Book of Football' (published June 1981).

    The book had an "introduction" by Bobby Charlton, who wrote that "the world is waiting for a new Pelé and a new Cruyff to burst on to the scene", which is from a few angles an interesting comment too (to write this in a foreword). The next page started with Alex James.

    Some players got discussed in three full-blown pages (Alex James), others in two-thirds a page (Diego Maradona).

    Names written below in order of appearance in the book and table of contents.

    Alex James (Scotland - b. 1901)
    Horatio Carter (England - b. 1913)
    Len Shackleton (England - b. 1922) - discussed together with HC
    Tommy Harmer (England - b. 1928)
    John White (Scotland - b. 1937) - discussed together with TH
    Wilf Mannion (England - b. 1918)
    Peter Doherty (Northern Ireland - b. 1913)
    Johnny Giles (Ireland - b. 1940)

    Dixie Dean (England - b. 1907)
    George Camsell (England - b. 1902)
    Jimmy Greaves (England - b. 1940)
    Ted Drake (England - b. 1912)
    Joe Payne (England - b. 1914)
    Stephen Bloomer (England - b. 1874)
    Charles Buchan (England - b. 1891) - discussed together with SB
    Denis Law (Scotland - b. 1940)
    Hughie Gallacher (Scotland - b. 1903)
    Jimmy McGrory (Scotland - b. 1904)
    Bobby Charlton (England - b. 1937)
    Ferenc Puskas (Hungary - b. 1927)
    Gerd Müller (West Germany - b. 1945)
    Tommy Lawton (England - b. 1919)
    Pele (Brazil - b. 1940)

    Billy Wright (England - b. 1924)
    Joe Mercer (England - b. 1914)
    Danny Blanchflower (Northern Ireland - b. 1926)
    Frank McLintock (Scotland - b. 1939)
    Stanley Cullis (England - b. 1915)
    Neil Franklin (England - b. 1922) - discussed together with SC
    Johnny Carey (Ireland - b. 1919)
    Bobby Moore (England - b. 1941)
    George Young (Scotland - b. 1922)
    Willie Woodburn (Scotland - b. 1919) - discussed together with GY
    Ruud Krol (Netherlands - b. 1949)

    Frank Swift (England - b. 1914)
    Lev Yashin (Soviet Union - b. 1929)
    Gordon Banks (England - b. 1937)
    Peter Shilton (England - b. 1949)
    Ray Clemence (England - b. 1948)
    Pat Jennings (Northern Ireland - b. 1945)

    Johnny Hancocks (England - b. 1919)
    Jimmy Mullen (England - b. 1923) - discussed together with JH
    Stanley Matthews (England - b. 1915)
    Tom Finney (England - b. 1922)
    Alec Jackson (England - b. 1905)
    Alan Morton (Scotland - b. 1896)
    Garrincha (Brazil - b. 1933)
    Francisco Gento (Spain - b. 1933)
    Billy Liddell (Scotland - b. 1922)

    Dave Mackay (Scotland - b. 1934)
    Norman Hunter (England - b. 1943)
    Nobby Stiles (England - b. 1942)

    Diego Maradona (Argentina - b. 1960)
    Billy Bremner (Scotland - b. 1942)
    Alan Ball (England - b. 1945)
    Kevin Keegan (England - b. 1951)
    Osvaldo Ardiles (Argentina - b. 1952)

    Johan Cruyff (Netherlands - b. 1947)
    John Charles (Wales - b. 1932)
    Franz Beckenbauer (West Germany - b. 1945)
    Alfredo di Stefano (Argentina - b. 1926)
    George Best (Northern Ireland - b. 1946)
    Duncan Edwards (England - b. 1936)


    Maradona, Ardiles and Keegan are the youngest inclusions here. Keegan has two pages dedicated to him and Ardiles one page (effectively no more than two-thirds of a page, like Maradona).

    The oldest inclusion is Stephen Bloomer (b. 1874), Buchan (b. 1891) and Alex James (b. 1901). James had as said three pages, and Bloomer and Buchan were discussed together on one page (albeit with two very small photographs instead of a larger one like Ardiles/Maradona).
     
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  8. PuckVanHeel

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    I discovered that the 'world football handbook' might have more extensive lists by him, and I ordered as a test the 1967 and 1969 one. It is indeed what I hoped to see but... 1967 deals with 1966 (publication date: September 1966). It includes and textually discusses the World Cup of course. Luckily, per the 1969 one it seems to have been a consistent feature. So now I immediately ordered the 1968 edition too (which then deals 1967) - sorry if this is confusing.

    The "Fifty world stars" were (September 1966):

    Florian Albert (Ferencvaros and Hungary - b. 1941)
    Amancio Amaro (Real Madrid and Spain - b. 1939)
    Amarildo Tavares (AC Milan and Brazil - b. 1939)
    Luis Artime (Independiente and Argentina - b. 1938)
    Georgi Asparuhov (Levski and Bulgaria - b. 1943)
    José Augusto (Benfica and Portugal - b. 1937)
    Jim Baxter (Sunderland and Scotland - b. 1939)
    Ferenc Bene (Ujpest and Hungary - b. 1944)
    George Best (Manchester United and Northern Ireland - b. 1946)
    Hans Buzek (F.K Austria and Austria - b. 1938)
    Carlos Alberto Torres (Flamengo and Brazil - b. 1944)
    Bobby Charlton (Manchester United and England - b. 1937)
    Mario Coluna (Benfica and Portugal - b. 1935)
    Mario Corso (Internazionale and Italy - b. 1941)
    Dudu (Palmeiras and Brazil - b. 1939)
    Mike England (Blackburn Rovers and Wales - b. 1941)
    Lothar Emmerich (Borussia Dortmund and West Germany - b. 1941)
    Luis Eyzaguirre (Universidad and Chile - b. 1939)
    Eusebio da Silva Ferreira (Benfica and Portugal - b. 1942)
    Giacinto Facchetti (Internazionale and Italy - b. 1942)
    Milan Galic (Partizan Belgrado and Yugoslavia - b. 1938)
    Garrincha (Botafogo and Brazil - b. 1933)
    Jano Geleta (Dukla and Czechoslovakia - b. 1943)
    Philippe Gondet (Nantes and France - b. 1942)
    Jimmy Greaves (Tottenham Hotspur and England - b. 1940)
    Kurt Hamrin (Fiorentina and Sweden - b. 1934)
    Sigi Held (Borussia Dortmund and West Germany - b. 1942)
    Willie Henderson (Rangers and Scotland - b. 1944)
    Jairzinho (Botafogo and Brazil - b. 1944)
    Cliff Jones (Tottenham Hotspur and Wales - b. 1935)
    Jef Jurion (Anderlecht and Belgium - b. 1937)
    Denis Law (Manchester United and Scotland - b. 1940)
    Slava Metrevelli (Torpedo and Soviet Union - b. 1936)
    Bobby Moore (West Ham United and England - b. 1941)
    Lucien Muller (Barcelona and France - b. 1934)
    Pelé (Santos and Brazil - b. 1940)
    Svatopluk Pluskal (Dukla Prague and Czechoslovakia - b. 1930)
    Gianni Rivera (AC Milan and Italy - b. 1943)
    Leonel Sanchez (Universidad and Chile - b. 1936)
    Karl Heinz Schnellinger (AC Milan and West Germany - b. 1939)
    Uwe Seeler (Hamburg and West Germany - b. 1936)
    Dragoslav Sekularac (Red Star Belgrade and Yugoslavia - b. 1937)
    Luis Suarez (Internazionale and Spain - b. 1935)
    Jose Torres (Benfica and Portugal - b. 1936)
    Paul van Himst (Anderlecht and Belgium - b. 1943)
    Velibor Vasovic (Partizan Belgrade and Yugoslavia - b. 1939)
    Valeri Voronin (Torpedo Moscow and Soviet Union - b. 1939)
    Lev Yashin (Dynamo Moscow and Soviet Union - b. 1929)

    I can post scans of the write-ups if that's preferred.

    Like I said, when I get the 1967 list then I'll post that one too. I suspect to see a few names we'd associate with the 1965 - 1975 period.

    In this 1966 list George Best (b. 1946) is the youngest inclusion. "Perhaps the outstanding British discovery of 1964-65. Best not only consolidated his position in Manchester United and Ireland teams but showed himself the most talented Irish winger since the war." After him there are four players from 1944: Bene, Carlos Alberto, Henderson and Jairzinho.

    The youngest non-British player is Jairzinho (25 December 1944).

    The oldest inclusion is Lev Yashin (b. 1929). He's followed by Pluskal (b. 1930) and Garrincha (b. 1933).

    Garrincha was past his best (played just 40 club matches in the four years between 1963 and 1966) but he scored that memorable free kick goal against Bulgaria in the World Cup and scored 3 goals in 7 matches for Brazil in 1966. Difficult to say what Glanville's thoughts were.
     
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  9. comme

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    I'd be interested in these profiles if you could as I'm least familiar with these players.
     
  10. PuckVanHeel

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  11. comme

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    Brilliant. Thank you.
     
  12. PuckVanHeel

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    Just for completeness, here another one from a Dutch perspective. "Summer 1967". It was a one-off (not a series).

    It was written by Hans Molenaar and Joop Niezen, two of the original founders of the 'Voetbal International' magazine (at the moment on the brink of bankruptcy). Niezen became some years later also the chief-editor (1969 - 1984), and of sister magazine 'Sport International' as well. Niezen (b. 1935), raised and living in The Hague, former (semi-)professional goalkeeper for his hometown and co-founder of the magazine in Rotterdam, was often cast in the role to go slightly against the grain (on radio and television) or neutralize extreme sentiments with level-headed, cold and detached analyses.


    "Dutch and other European footballers, who have been in the news during the past couple of years and of whom many will stay in the news for a considerable time."


    The foreign included "European footballers" were:

    Gordon Banks (England - b. 1937)
    Peter Bonetti (England - b. 1941)
    Sepp Maier (West Germany - b. 1944)
    Jean Nicolay (Belgium - b. 1937)
    Alex Stepney (England - b. 1942)
    Hans Tilkowski (West Germany - b. 1935)
    Ivo Viktor (Czechoslovakia - b. 1942)
    Lev Yashin (Soviet Union - b. 1929)

    Jack Charlton (England - b. 1935)
    Giacinto Facchetti (Italy - b. 1942)
    Sandor Matrai (Hungary - b. 1932)
    Billy McNeill (Scotland - b. 1940)
    Karl-Heinz Schnellinger (West Germany - b. 1939)

    Franz Beckenbauer (West Germany - b. 1945)
    Bobby Charlton (England - b. 1937)
    Mario Coluna (Portugal - b. 1935)
    Jef Jurion (Belgium - b. 1937)
    Josef Masopust (Czechoslovakia - b. 1931)
    Bobby Moore (England - b. 1941)
    Lothar Ulsass (West Germany - b. 1940)

    Florian Albert (Hungary - b. 1941)
    Amaro Amancio (Spain - b. 1939)
    Alan Ball (England - b. 1945)
    George Best (Northern Ireland - b. 1946)
    Harry Bild (Sweden - b. 1936)
    Renato Cappellini (Italy - b. 1943)
    Eusebio (Portugal - b. 1942)
    Janos Farkas (Hungary - b. 1942)
    Francisco Gento (Spain - b. 1933)
    Jimmy Greaves (England - b. 1940)
    Helmut Haller (West Germany - b. 1939)
    Sigi Held (West Germany - b. 1942)
    Paul van Himst (Belgium - b. 1943)
    Ove Kindvall (Sweden - b. 1943)
    Frits Künzli (Switzerland - b. 1946)
    Denis Law (Scotland - b. 1940)
    Sandro Mazzola (Italy - b. 1942)
    Gerd Müller (West Germany - b. 1945)
    Uwe Seeler (West Germany - b. 1936)
    Luis Suarez Miramontes (Spain - b. 1935)
     
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  13. PuckVanHeel

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    Thanks also for the 1960 'Association Football' list.

    The Bobby Charlton write-up mentions his 1966 World Cup display, so those 'World Football Handbook' player portraits were definitely completed after the 1966 World Cup.
     
  14. PuckVanHeel

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    I found a surprisingly interesting book from 1963. It is boringly called "European International Football", written by Gordon Jeffery. I see it has also a positive summary in the Football Compendium.

    It will take some time to digest it all but I'll try. I'll mention both the noteworthy figures on the field and in general. Hugo Meisl is somewhat jokingly called "the Pitt, Disraeli, Bismarck and Napoleon of Austrian soccer rolled into one."
     
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    Albania

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    Austria

    Hugo Meisl
    Lowe
    Gramlick
    Gandon
    Shires
    M.D. Nicholson (both a football player and first FA president)
    Jimmy Hogan

    "'Standard' Austrian team" (no player is highlighted elsewhere):
    Hiden
    Schramseis
    Blum
    Braun
    Smistik
    Nausch
    Zischek
    Gschweidl
    Sindelar
    Schall
    Vogl

    'Others who took part in some of the matches'
    Hoffmann
    Sesta
    Mock
    Gall
    Horvath

    Ernst Ocwirk ("a team built around that great attacking centre-half")

    Erich Hof ("hailed as the new Sindelar" in 1960)


    Belgium

    Bill Gormlie (administrator/manager)

    Henri Meert
    Joseph Mermans
    Pol Anoul
    Carre
    Lemberechts (those five "being possibly the outstanding ones")

    Joseph Jurion
    Paul van Himst

    Rik Coppens


    Bulgaria

    -



    To be continued later.
     
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    Czechoslovakia

    Planicka ("one of the greatest goalkeepers")
    Antonin Puc ("the forward star")
    Nejedly ("another great player of the 1934 team")

    Bican
    Kopecky
    Bradac
    Ludl
    Senecky

    Novak
    Pluskal
    Masopust
    Popluhar

    Denmark

    Karl Aage Hansen
    John Hansen
    Carl Praest
    Viggo Jensen

    Nils Middelboe ("the giant")

    Harald Nielsen
    Flemming Nielsen
    Joern Sorensen

    England

    -

    (the write up deals predominantly with when England lost their monopoly and predominance, and later falling outside of the 'top group' of countries)

    Finland

    -

    France

    Robert Guerin
    Jules Rimet
    Henri Delaunay
    Gabriel Hanot

    "Three men played prominent parts"
    Paul Nicholas (manager)
    Raymond Kopa
    Just Fontaine

    East Germany

    -

    West Germany

    Sepp Herberger ("For much of this they have to thank the calculating brain of their veteran national team manager")

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    Will be continued...
     
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    The Football Compendium noted about this book: "This is one of the earliest attempts at a serious study of the game in the wider European context."

    Greece

    -

    Hungary

    Gustav Sebes

    Grosics
    Buzansky
    Lantos
    Bozsik
    Lorant
    Zakarias
    Budai
    Kocsis
    Hidegkuti
    Puskas
    Czibor

    Sipos

    Matrai
    Kotasz
    Sandor
    Tichy
    Fenyvesi

    Gorocs
    Albert

    Iceland

    Albert Gudmondson
    Beck
    Schram

    Northern Ireland

    -

    Ireland

    -

    Italy

    Vittorio Pozzo ("his story cannot be separated from the story of the game in Italy")

    Orsi
    Monti ("the introduction of foreign players into Italian football or even into the Italian national team is not a post-war innovation")

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    I realize (think) that this work might not be perfect but because it's written in 1962/1963, and a serious study on the development and significant figures across many different European countries indeed, it is worth typing out.
     
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    Feyenoord
    Luxembourg

    -

    Malta

    -

    Netherlands

    "To them 'football is only a game' [...]. [T]hat is, as playing performance and results were concerned. There has never been a time when the sound counsels of Netherlands representatives have not been of value in the organization of world football. Indeed, that same almost obstinate adherence to amateurism that retarded their development on the field of play has been valuable in the development of the world game."

    -
    very intriguing comments (among others)

    Faas Wilkes ("the cream of the natural talent [...] probably the best forward the Netherlands have yet produced")
    De Munck
    Appel
    Timmermans
    Van der Hart

    Heer Hopster
    Lotsy

    Norway

    Gunnar Andersen
    Per Skou
    Thorbjorn Svenssen

    Poland

    Gora
    Nytz
    Dytko
    Willimowski

    Pohl
    Brychcy

    Portugal

    Eusebio ("one of the great players in European football")
    Simoes
    Serafim

    Rumania

    Prince Carol of Rumania
    Steiner
    Vogl

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    Next part will be the last one.
     
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    Scotland

    -

    Spain

    T. Atkins

    Zamora ("Much the outstanding player that afternoon, and indeed in Spanish football throughout their first period of international football")

    Sweden

    Knut Nordahl
    Bertil Nordahl
    Gunnar Nordahl ("Italian clubs [...] had many of the best players on view. All three of these [brothers] were signed by Italian clubs.")

    Rosen
    Gren ("an exceptional player by any standard")
    Liedholm
    Carlsson
    Erik Nilsson

    Switzerland

    Karl Rappan ("almost legendary figure")

    Turkey

    -

    Soviet Union

    Clement Charnock
    Harry Charnock

    Gaskell
    Lev Yashin

    Wales

    William Meredith
    John Charles ("two players any country in the world would like to have")

    Yugoslavia

    -

    -------------------------------------

    This was the last part.

    As I said, I digested this because it was an overview compiled in 1962/1963.
     
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    This one is also listed on Pelé's Wikipedia page, and he got a (miniature) statue for it.

    L'Equipe 12 July 1980:

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    Other footballers to receive votes - and finishing in the top 50 - were: Stanley Matthews (England - b. 1915), Alfredo di Stefano (Argentina - b. 1926) and Johan Cruijff (Netherlands - b. 1947).

    Pelé received votes, and was even placed on top, by the Brazilian representative. The other three footballers were listed in the top 12 from other countries, but did not receive votes by the representatives of their own country (e.g. no votes for Matthews by the British voter; Di Stefano not in the top 12 of the Argentinian journalist etcetera).

    Pelé received top votes by 25% of the representatives, but was also omitted in a few top-12 lists such as The Guardian (United Kingdom) and Neues Deutschland (GDR).
     
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    Probably I'll receive the 1968 Football Handbook next week but this was the 1976 World Football Handbook. On this occasion with the prefix "Sunday Times".

    Date of publication: August 1975. Includes the 1974-75 season. "Compiled by Brian Glanville" it says on the cover but apparently also with input by others.


    "Fifty World Stars"

    Jovan Acimovic (Yugoslavia and Red Star Belgrade - b. 1948)
    Ruben Ayala (Argentina and Atletico Madrid - b. 1950)
    Carlos Babington (Argentina and Wattenscheid - b. 1949)
    Franz Beckenbauer (West Germany and Bayern Munich - b. 1945)
    Oleg Blokhin (Soviet Union and Dynamo Kiev - b. 1952)
    Hristo Bonev (Bulgaria and Lokomotiv Plovdiv - b. 1947)
    Rainer Bonhof (West Germany and Borussia Monchengladbach - b. 1952)
    Paul Breitner (West Germany and Real Madrid - b. 1951)
    Billy Bremner (Scotland and Leeds United - b. 1942)
    Carlos Caszely (Chile and Levante - b. 1950)
    Mike Channon (England and Southampton - b. 1948)
    Ray Clemence (England and Liverpool - b. 1948)
    Johan Cruyff (Netherlands and Barcelona - b. 1947)
    Dragan Dzajic (Yugoslavia and Bastia - b. 1946)
    Ralf Edstrom (Sweden and PSV - b. 1952)
    Elias Figueroa (Chile and Internacional - b. 1946)
    Robert Gadocha (Poland and Nantes - b. 1946)
    Jerzy Gorgon (Poland and Gornik - b. 1949)
    Jean-Marc Guillou (France and Nice - b. 1945)
    Arie Haan (Netherlands and Anderlecht - b. 1948)
    Ronnie Helstrom (Sweden and Kaiserslautern - b. 1949)
    Uli Hoeness (West Germany and Bayern Munich - b. 1952)
    Rene Houseman (Argentina and Huracan - b. 1953)
    Leighton James (Wales and Burnley - b. 1953)
    Pat Jennings (Northern Ireland and Tottenham Hotspur - b. 1945)
    Hans Krankl (Austria and Rapid Vienna - b. 1953)
    Ruud Krol (Netherlands and Ajax - b. 1949)
    Grzegorz Lato (Poland and Stal Mielec - b. 1950)
    Enver Maric (Yugoslavia and Velez Mostar - b. 1948)
    Francisco Marinho (Brazil and Botafogo - b. 1952)
    Gerd Muller (West Germany and Bayern Munich - b. 1945)
    Johan Neeskens (Netherlands and Barcelona - b. 1951)
    Branko Oblak (Yugoslavia and Hajduk Split - b. 1947)
    Machado Octavio (Portugal and Porto - b. 1949)
    Wolfgang Overath (West Germany and Cologne - b. 1943)
    Luis Pereira (Brazil and Atletico Madrid - b. 1949)
    Jan Pivarnik (Czecholovakia and Slovan Bratislava - b. 1947)
    Laurent Pokou (Ivory Coast and Rennes - b. 1947)
    Roland Sandberg (Sweden and Kaiserslautern - b. 1946)
    Peter Shilton (England and Stoke City - b. 1949)
    Jurgen Sparwasser (East Germany and Magdeburg - b. 1948)
    Wim Suurbier (Netherlands and Ajax - b. 1945)
    Andrzej Szarmach (Poland and Gornik Zabrze - b. 1950)
    Colin Todd (England and Derby County - b. 1948)
    Jan Tomaszewski (Poland and LKS Lodz - b. 1948)
    Wim van Hanegem (Netherlands and Feyenoord - b. 1944)
    Paul van Himst (Belgium and Racing White - b. 1943)
    Berti Vogts (West Germany and Borussia Monchengladbach - b. 1946)
    Jose Maria 'Ze Maria' (Brazil and Corinthians - b. 1949)
    Dino Zoff (Italy and Juventus - b. 1942)

    "Note: One of the game's most brilliant midfield inside-forwards, KAZIMIERZ DEYNA (Legia Warsaw and Poland) announced his intention of retiring at the end of the season, at 28. It remained to be seen whether he would stick to this decision."

    (the write-ups have the club first and national team second but I swapped the order - with Deyna it are 51 names yes)

    This was the last edition I could find under this guise, 'World Football Handbook' edited by Glanville. This 1976 edition had (not shockingly) Cruijff on the cover and indeed the write-up is without critical points a positive one and notes "there is reason to call him the outstanding player of the day [...] He is, among other things, an excellent linguist." [as if that matters]

    If one is interested in the write-ups give a shout. It extends to the end of the 1974-75 season.
     
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    The L'Equipe poll and the Miroir Football 1977 + 1978 list was tracked with help from these two useful websites.

    http://museedelapresse.com/
    http://www.journaux-collection.com/

    I used search terms as 'Pelé 1978/1979/1980/1981', 'grands joueurs'/'meilleur joueurs', 'meilleur football', 'meilleures' for this.

    If there's more (or something that looks good) it would be good to know.
     
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    Here is the World Football Handbook list of 1968 (published August 1967). A few differences with the IFB top 20 list that was written about 6 months later.

    "World Stars"

    Florian Albert (Ferencvaros and Hungary - b. 1941)
    Amancio Amaro (Real Madrid and Spain - b. 1939)
    Amarildo Tavares (AC Milan and Brazil - b. 1939)
    Luis Artime (Independiente and Argentina - b. 1938)
    Georgi Asparuhov (Levski and Bulgaria - b. 1943)
    José Augusto (Benfica and Portugal - b. 1937)
    Alan Ball (Everton and England - b. 1945
    Gordon Banks (Stoke City and England - b. 1937)
    Jim Baxter (Sunderland and Scotland - b. 1939)
    Franz Beckenbauer (Bayern Munich and West Germany - b. 1945)
    Ferenc Bene (Ujpest and Hungary - b. 1944)
    George Best (Manchester United and Northern Ireland - b. 1946)
    Bobby Charlton (Manchester United and England - b. 1937)
    George Cohen (Fulham and England - b. 1939)
    Mario Coluna (Benfica and Portugal - b. 1935)
    Mario Corso (Internazionale and Italy - b. 1941)
    Mike England (Blackburn Rovers and Wales - b. 1941)
    Eusebio da Silva Ferreira (Benfica and Portugal - b. 1942)
    Giacinto Facchetti (Internazionale and Italy - b. 1942)
    Janos Farkas (Vasas and Hungary - b. 1942)
    Milan Galic (Standard Liege and Yugoslavia - b. 1938)
    Jano Geleta (Dukla and Czechoslovakia - b. 1943)
    Philippe Gondet (Nantes and France - b. 1942)
    Jaime Graca (Benfica and Portugal - b. 1942)
    Jimmy Greaves (Tottenham Hotspur and England - b. 1940)
    Helmut Haller (Bologna and West Germany - b. 1939)
    Kurt Hamrin (Fiorentina and Sweden - b. 1934)
    Sigi Held (Borussia Dortmund and West Germany - b. 1942)
    Geoff Hurst (West Ham United and England - b. 1941)
    Jairzinho (Botafogo and Brazil - b. 1944)
    Jimmy Johnstone (Celtic and Scotland - b. 1944)
    Denis Law (Manchester United and Scotland - b. 1940)
    Bobby Moore (West Ham United and England - b. 1941)
    Lucien Muller (Barcelona and France - b. 1934)
    Pelé (Santos and Brazil - b. 1940)
    Martin Peters (West Ham United and England - b. 1943)
    Gianni Rivera (AC Milan and Italy - b. 1943)
    Karl Heinz Schnellinger (AC Milan and West Germany - b. 1939)
    Uwe Seeler (Hamburg and West Germany - b. 1936)
    Alberto Spencer (Penarol and Ecuador, Uruguay - b. 1937)
    Luis Suarez (Internazionale and Spain - b. 1935)
    José Torres (Benfica and Portugal - b. 1936)
    Paul van Himst (Anderlecht and Belgium - b. 1943)
    Velibor Vasovic (Partizan Belgrade and Yugoslavia - b. 1939)
    Valeri Voronin (Torpedo Moscow and Soviet Union - b. 1939)
    Ray Wilson (Everton and England - b. 1934)
    Lev Yashin (Dynamo Moscow and Soviet Union - b. 1929)


    The season summaries - for example the one for the European Cup - already give away that his list might look different and updated half a year later (as shown by his IFB list). The goalkeeper Viktor is called "brilliant" and "excellent" and one who is "able to win trophies for his side". Cruijff (who is in the Handbook 1969 list as we'll see) was in the 1968 Handbook typified as "extremely gifted" and "a new European star", "a genuinely great performer" - it was still before the Real Madrid matches and some others (e.g. Everton) that might have pushed him into the IFB list.

    The youngest player in this list is George Best (which he also was in the 1967 list). Alberto Spencer is an interesting case in that he's listed for two national teams.

    This list has also 47 names and not 50. It is not called "Fifty World Stars" as in the earlier and later editions but maybe some names have been edited out somehow.

    I also made a request for the 1966 list (the first edition of this series in this guise), to look at who is the youngest there.

    Next is the 1969 list (thus published August 1968).
     
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    World Football Handbook 1969 (published August 1968).

    "World Stars"

    Florian Albert (Ferencvaros and Hungary - b. 1941)
    Amancio Amaro (Real Madrid and Spain - b. 1939)
    Luis Artime (Palmeiras and Argentina - b. 1938)
    Georgi Asparuhov (Levski and Bulgaria - b. 1943)
    José Augusto (Benfica and Portugal - b. 1937)
    Alan Ball (Everton and England - b. 1945)
    Gordon Banks (Stoke City and England - b. 1937)
    Jim Baxter (Sunderland and Scotland - b. 1939)
    Franz Beckenbauer (Bayern Munich and West Germany - b. 1945)
    Ferenc Bene (Ujpest and Hungary - b. 1944)
    George Best (Manchester United and Northern Ireland - b. 1946)
    Anatoliy Byshovets (Dynamo Kyiv and Soviet Union - b. 1946)
    Bobby Charlton (Manchester United and England - b. 1937)
    George Cohen (Fulham and England - b. 1939)
    Mario Coluna (Benfica and Portugal - b. 1935)
    Mario Corso (Internazionale and Italy - b. 1941)
    Johan Cruyff (Ajax and Netherlands - b. 1947)
    Mike England (Blackburn Rovers and Wales - b. 1941)
    Eusebio da Silva Ferreira (Benfica and Portugal - b. 1942)
    Giacinto Facchetti (Internazionale and Italy - b. 1942)
    Janos Farkas (Vasas and Hungary - b. 1942)
    Jano Geleta (Dukla and Czechoslovakia - b. 1943)
    Jaime Graca (Benfica and Portugal - b. 1942)
    Jimmy Greaves (Tottenham Hotspur and England - b. 1940)
    Helmut Haller (Bologna and West Germany - b. 1939)
    Kurt Hamrin (Fiorentina and Sweden - b. 1934)
    Sigi Held (Borussia Dortmund and West Germany - b. 1942)
    Geoff Hurst (West Ham United and England - b. 1941)
    Jairzinho (Botafogo and Brazil - b. 1944)
    Jimmy Johnstone (Celtic and Scotland - b. 1944)
    Denis Law (Manchester United and Scotland - b. 1940)
    Oscar Mas (River Plate and Argentina - b. 1946)
    Bobby Moore (West Ham United and England - b. 1941)
    Ermindo Onega (River Plate and Argentina - b. 1940)
    Pelé (Santos and Brazil - b. 1940)
    Roberto Perfumo (Racing Club and Argentina - b. 1942)
    Martin Peters (West Ham United and England - b. 1943)
    Jose Pirri (Real Madrid and Spain - b. 1945)
    Luigi Riva (Cagliari and Italy - b. 1944)
    Gianni Rivera (AC Milan and Italy - b. 1943)
    Pedro Rocha (Penarol and Uruguay - b. 1942)
    Karl Heinz Schnellinger (AC Milan and West Germany - b. 1939)
    Uwe Seeler (Hamburg and West Germany - b. 1936)
    Alberto Spencer (Penarol and Ecuador, Uruguay - b. 1937)
    Eduard Streltsov (Torpedo Moscow and Soviet Union - b. 1937)
    Luis Suarez (Internazionale and Spain - b. 1935)
    José Torres (Benfica and Portugal - b. 1936)
    Paul van Himst (Anderlecht and Belgium - b. 1943)
    Valeri Voronin (Torpedo Moscow and Soviet Union - b. 1939)
    Ray Wilson (Everton and England - b. 1934)

    This are 50 names again. Some notable but understandable changes (e.g. Yashin out, Streltsov in)

    The youngest players are Cruijff (b. April 1947), Best (b. May 1946) and Byshovets (b. April 1946)

    The oldest are Kurt Hamrin (b. November 1934), Ray Wilson (b. December 1934), Suarez (b. May 1935) and Coluna (b. August 1935).
     
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    Here is the very first edition. "World Football Handbook 1966". Published September 1965.

    "World Stars"

    Florian Albert (Ferencvaros and Hungary - b. 1941)
    Amancio Amaro (Real Madrid and Spain - b. 1939)
    Amarildo Tavares (AC Milan and Brazil - b. 1939)
    Luis Artime (River Plate and Argentina - b. 1938)
    José Augusto (Benfica and Portugal - b. 1937)
    Jim Baxter (Rangers and Scotland - b. 1939)
    Ferenc Bene (Ujpest and Hungary - b. 1944)
    George Best (Manchester United and Northern Ireland - b. 1946)
    Bill Brown (Tottenham Hotspur and Scotland - b. 1931)
    Hans Buzek (F.K Austria and Austria - b. 1938)
    Carlos Alberto Torres (Flamengo and Brazil - b. 1944)
    Bobby Charlton (Manchester United and England - b. 1937)
    Mario Coluna (Benfica and Portugal - b. 1935)
    Mario Corso (Internazionale and Italy - b. 1941)
    Luis Eyzaguirre (Universidad and Chile - b. 1939)
    Eusebio da Silva Ferreira (Benfica and Portugal - b. 1942)
    Milan Galic (Partizan Belgrado and Yugoslavia - b. 1938)
    Garrincha (Botafogo and Brazil - b. 1933)
    Jano Geleta (Dukla and Czechoslovakia - b. 1943)
    Jimmy Greaves (Tottenham Hotspur and England - b. 1940)
    Kurt Hamrin (Fiorentina and Sweden - b. 1934)
    Willie Henderson (Rangers and Scotland - b. 1944)
    Cliff Jones (Tottenham Hotspur and Wales - b. 1935)
    Jef Jurion (Anderlecht and Belgium - b. 1937)
    Denis Law (Manchester United and Scotland - b. 1940)
    Rafael Leites (Nacional and Uruguay - b. 1943)
    Silvio Marzolini (Boca Juniors and Argentina - b. 1940)
    Slava Metrevelli (Torpedo and Soviet Union - b. 1936)
    Coen Moulijn (Feijenoord and Netherlands - b. 1937)
    Antonio Munguia (Necaxa and Mexico - b. 1942)
    Pelé (Santos and Brazil - b. 1940)
    Svatopluk Pluskal (Dukla Prague and Czechoslovakia - b. 1930)
    Gianni Rivera (AC Milan and Italy - b. 1943)
    Leonel Sanchez (Universidad and Chile - b. 1936)
    Jose Sasia (Penarol and Uruguay - b. 1933)
    Karl Heinz Schnellinger (AC Milan and West Germany - b. 1939)
    Uwe Seeler (Hamburg and West Germany - b. 1936)
    Dragoslav Sekularac (Red Star Belgrade and Yugoslavia - b. 1937)
    Agne Simonsson (IOS Goteborg and Sweden - b. 1935)
    Klaus-Dieter Sieloff (VFB Stuttgart and West Germany - b. 1942)
    Jacky Simon (Nantes and France - b. 1941)
    Luis Suarez (Internazionale and Spain - b. 1935)
    Roberto Telch (San Lorenzo and Argentina - b. 1943)
    Peter Thompson (Liverpool and England - b. 1942)
    Jose Torres (Benfica and Portugal - b. 1936)
    Igor Chislenko (Dynamo Moscow and Soviet Union - b. 1939)
    Paul van Himst (Anderlecht and Belgium - b. 1943)
    Valeri Voronin (Torpedo Moscow and Soviet Union - b. 1939)
    Lev Yashin (Dynamo Moscow and Soviet Union - b. 1929)

    It are 49 names.

    I guess I don't have to spell out who is the youngest player here and the oldest is again Yashin (b. 1929).

    Pelé is like the 1967, 1968 and 1969 yearbooks called "probably the greatest inside-forward of his generation, a remarkable goal-scorer of astonishing gymnastic powers." The rest of the write-up changed - for ex. during his lesser years - but this designation remained the same (not the case for every prominent player). Whether it changes in the 1970 and 1971 edition (dealing with 1970), I don't know yet.

    Although it has to be taken with a huge pinch of salt, for fun I'll post a couple of readers polls by Onze Mondial (1980 and 1995) and France Football (1989) next. If others are aware of more 'classic' polls, that will be nice.
     
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