OKC: Interesting Stadium Rumor

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  1. NegativeCreep

    NegativeCreep Member

    Jun 24, 2011
    OKC
    Club:
    DC United
    Apparently not.
     
  2. The Devil's Architect

    Feb 10, 2000
    The American Steppe
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Or the adjacent land.
    The Thunder is popular, but they're not quite the Lakers/Celtics in being able to extract ridiculous demands
    Boxing is largely dead. UFC/MMA (human cockfighting) has sadly replaced it.
    Any stadium is going to be a hard push with the Anti-MAPS crowd
     
  3. The Devil's Architect

    Feb 10, 2000
    The American Steppe
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    They always cry poverty
     
  4. NegativeCreep

    NegativeCreep Member

    Jun 24, 2011
    OKC
    Club:
    DC United

    I guess I don't understand the anti-MAPS crowd. Downtown/Bricktown was a terrible place before, now it's just the parking and traffic that sucks.
     
  5. FCjason

    FCjason Member

    Jul 25, 2013
    Oklahoma City
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Most are those who think government shouldn't get involved in the free market. They'd rather keep their hard earned money and spend as they choose. Basically, they want government to stay out of private business. I know... Crazy ! Right?
     
  6. FCjason

    FCjason Member

    Jul 25, 2013
    Oklahoma City
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    All that to say... It's undeniable MAPS has gave this city a much needed boost.
     
  7. NegativeCreep

    NegativeCreep Member

    Jun 24, 2011
    OKC
    Club:
    DC United
    It's a barely noticeable tax that has turned the downtown/bricktown from a shithole to a non-shithole. And in doing so, created jobs for that free market and encouraged private business. But yea, I get what you are saying.
     
  8. FCjason

    FCjason Member

    Jul 25, 2013
    Oklahoma City
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I couldn't agree more. It's done wonders for this city. It's just principal is all.
     
  9. The Devil's Architect

    Feb 10, 2000
    The American Steppe
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It's a fairly diverse group of small parties with very small minds.
    Unless it directly benefits them, then they call it progress.
    Have to keep that super Big Gulp at $1.08, not $1.09, because that penny goes to... to... something, probably Obamacare
    They're the type of people that move out to rural areas, refuse to pay the volunteer fire department fee, then cry and moan when the VFD just puts out the grass fire that was sparked by their trailer.

    Ultimately, it would be publicly and politically difficult for the Thunder ownership to work against any particular downtown sports venue because they are playing in a MAPS funded sports venue and any argument that they would make against such a team would be the same argument that was made against building the Peake or whatever it's called this month.
     
  10. FCjason

    FCjason Member

    Jul 25, 2013
    Oklahoma City
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  11. OkieZebra

    OkieZebra Member

    Aug 11, 2013
    Club:
    Norwich City FC
    Hey now - OKC is hosting it's 3rd straight World Boxing Union Lightweight title match on June 6th at the OKC Airpark! (one was at the convention center and the other was in Newcastle, so it really doesn't count, but I went to both)

    http://www.catboxentertainment.com/
     
  12. The Devil's Architect

    Feb 10, 2000
    The American Steppe
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Someone put a lot of time and effort into that website...

    in 2001
     
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  13. OkieZebra

    OkieZebra Member

    Aug 11, 2013
    Club:
    Norwich City FC
    Oh, it's a terrible site. The fights aren't bad though.
     
  14. The Devil's Architect

    Feb 10, 2000
    The American Steppe
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I responded to it yesterday and pointed out the blatant falsehoods in it in the final comments. I also told them what I thought of the team name, but wished them well in finding someone with the sufficient capital to take the team to MLS, because we all know, no one currently associated with the team doesn't have have the sufficient funding to pay the expansion fee, pay for even a modest portion of a new stadium that meets MLS' requirements, nor the annual cashflow required to run a team.
     
  15. crw75

    crw75 Member

    Everton FC
    United States
    Aug 5, 2004
    Oklahoma City
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I didn't find the survey disingenuous or containing blatant falsehoods. It is perfectly obvious that they intend to build a soccer-specific stadium downtown for the USL team and want to gauge the market for an MLS-quality expansion. I'm not privy to the financial condition of the ownership group other than what is public knowledge. While it does not appear to me that the current ownership is capable of landing an MLS franchise, it would be short-sighted and unnecessarily pessimistic to believe that the intentions are impossible. The ownership seems to take these things seriously, hence the survey.
     
  16. The Devil's Architect

    Feb 10, 2000
    The American Steppe
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #41 The Devil's Architect, May 5, 2014
    Last edited: May 5, 2014
    You mean other than claiming that teams that were part of the A-League / USL First Division (forerunner to USLPro) joined MLS from USLPro? Sorry. That's not true.

    There's one real kicker for MLS expansion - 1 or more people that are willing to pay the expansion fee, any private part of a stadium and the annual operation costs for the team. If the market can support Thunder Basketball / OU FB & BB and to a lesser degree OSU sports, there is more than enough disposable income for MLS. Especially since two of those are sold out until the season after Judgement Day

    You do realize how little investment & effort it takes to put together a survey?
     
  17. NegativeCreep

    NegativeCreep Member

    Jun 24, 2011
    OKC
    Club:
    DC United
    Your blind hatred is showing. It only mentions OCSC, and claims no connection with any other talking points the league or the FO has spouted off before. While I get your point, the claims you speak of were not mentioned the survey. In your haste to give your opinion at the end, you failed to even read properly.
     
  18. The Devil's Architect

    Feb 10, 2000
    The American Steppe
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If you think that that's hate, you don't know me very well.

    They note other successful USLPro teams such as Orlando. They and the league have previously been running this meme and mentioned Seattle/Vancouver/Portland as clubs that have "moved up".

    I guess it's fine for them to lie to the general public, but they should expect actual soccer fans for 30+ years to correct them when they lie.
     
  19. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Red Stars
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yes moved up is false, Montreal was demoted from NASL to MLS when they finished last in the league.


    (Ok they finished second to last, but one must ignore that fact for the joke to work).
     
  20. adoptedsooner

    adoptedsooner Member

    Dec 5, 2007
    Norman
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I feel the same way about this meme. The same type of language has appeared on their press releases. It simply irks me and prevents me from more readily supporting the team.
     
  21. Blando13

    Blando13 Member+

    Dec 4, 2013
    Lee's Summit, MO
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I get what you're saying, but what was the name of the league the Sounders played in Prior to joining MLS? Trouble remembering.
     
  22. The Devil's Architect

    Feb 10, 2000
    The American Steppe
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The USL first division, which promptly ceased to exist once the Sounders and their Cascadian Cousins got their sugar daddies and half of the remaining teams got sick of Marcos' bullshit. Then reorganized as the functional 3rd division by the USSF. Perhaps you should google it.

    The only USL Pro team that is moving to MLS is Orlando, and that has zero to do with USLPro as a league and everything to do with their ownership cutting a check to MLS LLC
     
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  23. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It was a Division II league, if that helps.

    The Sounders never ever played in what is now USL Pro.

    It is disingenuous for people to perpetuate the canard.

    One -ONE - USL Pro team has moved up to MLS.
     
  24. NegativeCreep

    NegativeCreep Member

    Jun 24, 2011
    OKC
    Club:
    DC United
    How many have moved up from the NASL?

    Can't we all just agree that they could be playing JV High School soccer, but if they had $100 million, they would be in the MLS, regardless of previous affiliation?
     
  25. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    To be fair, Marcos had been pretty well marginalized by the time of the split, which was very much exacerbated by the sale of USL to NuRock instead of to Jeff Cooper.

    Because, really, how could Jeff Cooper miss?
     

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