Oh no…the Leopards ate my face thread

Just gauging how serious their interest is.

If they don’t have any, I can provide some from my double barrel!

 

No, I get that but my point was that when the dems are in power they rarely seem to use the bully pulpit to energise their own base by trying to force through things that they know have little chance of getting through. People like Lieberman should have been utterly destroyed by the OTHER democrats, particularly Obama. His name should have been attached to every death that occurred for some reason even vaguely connected to private health insurance.

The aim isn't to force him to vote for it because that's probably not going to happen. The aim is frighten the crap out of the other people on the right of the democratic party.

But the truth is that was never going to work for Obama because that's simply not him... which is why I agree with you that they need a populist who can appeal directly to voters and is prepared to lose fighting for their interests.

Obama was great and a generational talent but he was always a consensus politician which might have generally been right for that moment, (apart from that issue IMO), but is definitely not what's required now.

 

Yikes.

 

I get your point but it takes a media ecosystem like what the right has to explain to people that it's a long flight. Look at how long they pushed to end Roe. The right didn't through their toys out the pram when Obama won. They plotted and waited. We have people on the left that think if the Democrats risk it all and turn us into Canada people will go along with it and not vote them out for 20 years while enacting policies to tear down the Dems attempt at US of Canada and achieve their goals.

 

Most of it's been a bit daft, I agree.

Regarding who the dems might need to get the message across, however, that's a bit more difficult.

I'm left wondering if they'd had a proper primary back after the midterms, and not what turned into a coronation rather late in the day, someone like Walz might have been the guy they needed all along?

I wasn't aware of the guy at all before he appeared as Harris' running mate but he came across as someone who made a connection to people that she seemed to lack.

But whether it was him or someone else I think the simple fact of someone being tested would have been an advantage. They would also have found it easier to distance themselves, at least to a degree, from Biden's record in a way that she never could.

Whether it would have made any difference and particularly if it could have overcome the fact that the dems were the incumbents, is another matter.

 

Just on that specific point, isn't it the case that most elections are a matter of providing a list of people to blame and for the left, unless you're prepared to say it's the rich and their friends in 'the establishment', you make it easy for the other side to claim that ground and say that 'the establishment' are more concerned with their pet issues such as wokeness, (whatever TF THAT is), and similar.

That particular aspect, (of providing a list of 'bad actors' in society), has ALWAYS been at play.

One of the reasons why labour's win was as large as it was, was because of their attacks on 'non-doms', despite the fact it probably won't generate much, if any, tax. They also went after private schools where again, the actual net benefit to the exchequer will probably be negligible.

But the thing is most people could grasp the idea that it just seems unfair. As such, politically, it's a wise move for a left wing party.

 

I think Beshear would have won. I want him or Bel Edwards. We need our smart people to talk dumber. And we needed a white male.

 

I can't help but scratch my head when I see those numbers....We are a truly unserious country, full with ignorant and unserious people.


Gallup: “Sixty-two percent of U.S. adults, the highest percentage in more than a decade, say it is the federal government’s responsibility to ensure all Americans have healthcare coverage.”

Also interesting: “Fifty-four percent of U.S. adults approve of the ACA, essentially tying the record-high 55% readings in April 2017 (during Republican-led attempts to repeal the law) and November 2020 (after Joe Biden won election as president).”

 

Honestly LOLed when I saw SW outrage baiting in there as well. They are playing all of the greatest hits.

 

Harris finished 3rd (behind Stein) in Dearborn, Michigan with it's high Islamic population.

 

How is that working for them?

 

I have to say, @Quakes05 was doing some high level . . . I hesitate to call it trolling, because it was inviting serious engagement from the Trump supporters (assuming that seriousness is in the repertoire) . . . let's call it baiting. They could have take the "bait" and said something intelligent. Or they could continue to prove themselves mindless trolls. They chose the latter. Over and over and over again.

 

Yep......Let's not presume either the Courts will stop him. The Supreme Court may happily oblige.

Trump aims to end birthright citizenship, says American citizens with family here illegally may be deported
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/do...p-says-american-citizens-family-il-rcna183274

 

On some level this is old hat, in that if the camps become a reality some U.S. citizens will 100% end up in them, whether they are related to illegal immigrants or not.

 

Not just some. I bet tons of them will get rounded up. It's the only way to operationalize that kind of thing. Scoop up everyone you suspect and process them at the camps. If you look brown, they'll round you up and you can try to prove it while in the camp.

 

This is something I’ve seen over and over again with Missouri ballot initiatives vs candidate voting. Voters will go in on abortion protection, cannabis dispensaries, etc. They may screw it up with an intentionally confusing or distracting initiative.

A good example of that was a ballot initiative for a three part voting constitutional amendment. The last two parts banned ranked choice and runoffs when a candidate doesn’t get a voter majority. I think those would have otherwise passed. But the first bullet stated only US citizens are allowed to vote, which is already the law. The law merely states “citizens” rather than “US citizens”, but from a legal perspective, the current law isnt protecting Missouri voting rights to a non US citizen with a Botswana passport. Conservative factions sought to ban more inclusive voting mechanics by making that the first issue in the language. And voters took that bait 68-32.

 

For sure. The bounties in some states will be particularly problematic. You don’t like the service at a restaurant and want to talk to the manager? Report the help or manager. Lots of drama and anger gets directly at medical staff. Especially in emotionally charged scenarios (abuse, end of life, serious lasting disability scenarios). My wife has had threats. I could very easily see a Gen 0 or Gen 1 South Asian doc getting reported for the “camps”. It’s a variation on swatting.

The feds come in to take one guy away and he’s there with four citizen friends watching game with beers…they all get to take a ride.

Even the best laid plan for something relatively large is going to have some administrative bobbles. Unleashing a 12 million person “Easter Egg Hunt” with haste is going to be a mess.

 

When you say, 'embrace the working class thing', isn't that what democrats are supposed to be doing anyway?

Regarding them not bothering to vote, I think it probably IS the case that some people will have to lose some of their benefits before they finally remember, 'Oh, THAT'S why I should have voted again this time... to stop that happening'.

Sad, but probably true.