Oh no…the Leopards ate my face thread

Probably not the topic for this, but I actually think her overt support for the Palestinian cause revealed her other activism to be for real and not at all calculated or opportunistic. Because the easiest thing in the world for her to do would have been to keep quiet about Gaza and not burn her establishment capital in the process. It definitely was the braver choice.

She essentially handed all the people who already did not like her an easy cudgel to beat her with.

 

OMFG HOW DARE SHE!

 

The thing to remember about Greta Thunberg is that, (as many of us said when she first came to prominence), she IS just a kid. That was why it was never a great idea to make her the identity for a major cause in the first place. It was ALWAYS possible she'd get the wrong end of the stick on something else and go off the rails.

But, in general, (and as I always say), it's the arguments that people use that matters, not the person saying them.

 

Essentially, yes. Some people who are bit 'fuzzy' about the details keep referring to any protest against what's happening in Gaza as them being 'pro-Hamas' which is idiotic in the extreme.

Yeah, that's probably fair. It's not like saving the planet isn't a big enough cause in itself.

 

Well, actually my point was more that there were reasons they didn't vote for Harris and those reasons weren't as ludicrous as was made out... at least, from their perspective. There is no even halfway intelligent reason to vote for trump, IMO, unless you are genuinely more concerned with hurting people you don't like than you are in helping yourself.

The rest of your post I agree with, obviously.

 

The bolded part......Some of those people are perfectly comfortable with this.

 

Yeah, auria said it well when he said they might not even be racists... but they're obviously comfortable with racism which I agree, seems like a distinction without a difference but there we are.

 

Matt Walsh outside the Supreme Court: "This case is just the beginning of the fight. It is not the end. We are not gonna rest ... until trans ideology is entirely erased from the earth. That's what we're fighting for, and we will not stop until we achieve it." pic.twitter.com/HGUIKNs2D0

— Ari Drennen (@AriDrennen) December 4, 2024

Trans community definitely did not vote Trump but seems to be one of the groups most likely to suffer hard under the incoming admin.

 

The fact that some people reject her because there are other causes she cares deeply about seems to be a problem that lays with those people and not her.

 

Besides what was already mentioned, two things: he didn't bail out people, he bailed out the same institutions that got us into this mess. They got rich, people got homeless.

Second, he didn't prosecute the lot of them. I don't think he even tried that hard. And I think this is around the time he pulled back the IRS from doing their jobs.

 

I'm not sure what point you're making? I wasn't suggesting we all held a meeting and decided, 'Oh, let's make HER the face of climate activism'... obviously!

But if you ask prof. google the question, 'Who is the most famous activist for climate change', her name comes up top of the list.

It's the same as if you ask which newspaper is the biggest seller in the UK you get The Sun. That doesn't mean it's the best newspaper. It means most people aren't very bright and tend to be attracted by bright, shiny things that are insubstantial and rather worthless.

They also tend to invest their ideas and opinions in individuals instead of thinking for themselves and that rarely leads to positive outcomes. I never thought she was very important in the first place and it was her message that was the important part.

Frankly, she's irrelevant but she was always irrelevant.

 

I get what you're saying but I think you're ignoring the fact that the make-up of the congress was a function, in large part, of how the democrats had governed for those parts of the last 40+ years when they were in charge.

That doesn't seem sensible,

 

So I post saying that Thunberg, as an individual, was irrelevant and it was the message that was the important part and your response is that the climate strike, (i.e. her message), was the important part.

Well, it's a kind of answer I suppose

 

He absolutely could have instructed the DoJ to investigate and if they found evidence of crimes handled it accordingly.

Telling people who lost everything that you aren't even going to attempt to prosecute those responsible because it's too hard or complicated or the cost-benefit analysis says it's not worth it ain't a good look.

I'm not trying to say Obama did nothing but bailing out banks and trusting that help will trickle down to the consumer, the same banks that caused the problem? Too big to fail? Yeah, people were upset. Still are and I don't blame them.

Does it excuse what happened now? Hell no. That's cutting off your nose to spite your face.