Oh no…the Leopards ate my face thread

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  1. The Jitty Slitter

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    yeah the main problem was the stimmy was too small (cf 2020/21). But that was the fault of congress.
     
  2. bigredfutbol

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    Well, that was a different election?

    I think Kazuma has a good point--Trump barely won, after all, and I'm not sure any other Republican running on the same issues & using the same rhetoric could have pulled it off.
     
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  3. Pittsburgh Ref

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    For a long time I've been wishing I could fast-forward to read What History Says About Donald Trump.

    More and more, I'd also like to see what history says about Democratic persistence in playing by a set of rules that became quainter and quainter as the years rolled on. The Republicans morphed from a party into a machine round about [debatable*], and the Democrats kept going high. Good job staying pure.
     
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  4. Chicago76

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    thanks for posting this. Still getting through it. Not particularly surprising though. I think a lot of is implicitly understood this and have been seeing it coming. To me, it’s a logical (but immoral) reaction to mounting evidence that what the GOP has proposed as a solution since at least Reagan has not worked. And their vision of politics and the role of government is clearly much more close to what has been implemented in the last 40 years than the Dem vision. The GOP knows it hasn’t worked. And more people were starting to understand (and feel) it wasn’t working. They couldn’t run a Romney or McCain or Dubya themed campaign and win. It doesn’t resonate.

    So if your vision is a set of business friendly policies where 20% of the country does reasonably well and 1-2% do extremely well, there are two directions to take. You either need to expand the group doing well, which leads to sustainable, more centrist approach. Or you need to go fear based and populist knowing that isn’t a long term solution because you’re still not delivering. It will inevitably result in an even more painful adjustment down the road. Unless you dismantle the state you inherit to consolidate power.
     
  5. Kazuma

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    Greta Thunberg is already on a new cause.
     
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  6. Kazuma

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    Macomb County, if it went blue would've been the same narrow win for Harris. But I visit Macomb often for family and biking, the place has always been conservative but with Trump it's just fanatical.

    The other thing is it's been tried, GOP pols acting like Trump only to lose. Trump also has little to no coattails. The 2022 midterms, the places he won in this year were places either going red already or if it was a swing state, it was by narrow margins.
     
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  7. Naughtius Maximus

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    Just listening to that. Interesting stuff but, as an observation... maybe it's just me but it somehow sounds worse in a German accent.

    YMMV :giggle:
     
  8. The Jitty Slitter

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    I think she holds the world record for trashing her own grass roots movement so fast that the bleeding heart liberals of germany left her chat
     
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  9. The Jitty Slitter

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    I've followed him for several years without ever realising he was German (he is a professor at Georgetown). But suddenly he started turning up on German TV to my surprise.
     
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  10. Pittsburgh Ref

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    Is the voodoo related to the playground bully buried within each of us that most of us contain and yet...wouldn't it feel good to just nuke everything. A singular demon for sure. Teflon (or K-Y) hopped up on malignant narcissistic sociopathy.
     
  11. The Jitty Slitter

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    Bolded. Yes. Charlie Sykes was actually early to this idea, though Bannon was one of the first Trumpers to regularly say it back in 15. GOP voters mostly do not like trad GOP politicians like Romney, but thought they had to put up with it. Palin was actually culturally closer to the base. Anne Applebaum has also talked about how many of these intellectual elites abandoned neoliberalism because it's hard to get electoral majorities for things in the way Rove managed. Vought says this expressly. He wants to use executive power to purge the administrative state and impose the society they want.

    If you are interested, Longwell had an interview just before the election about Vance and wants going on in this post liberal intellectual space. Scary stuff IMO. Not because neo-liberalism has been great, but because their vision is essentially a form of fascism.

    There is also a strange contradiction in that they have hitched their wagon to what is essentially a mafia state. IMO one of the biggest challenges to them succeeding is the wild corruption at the heart of this regime.
     
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  12. Naughtius Maximus

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    Just on a point of correction... it's not ESSENTIALLY a form of fascism. It IS fascism

    I mean, I'm sure some of the pointy headed nerdlingers on here can quote us chapter and verse on whether it's technically fascism but in all the basic requirements of that word, it comes down to the same damn thing.

    I think this is part of the problem.

    People are thinking that if they don't start straight into the gas chambers part on day one then it's not real nazism, (and yes, I know that's not the same as fascism). But when you're having to parse particular words and phrases like it's a test on constitutional law, that's not a great sign, is it.
     
  13. Naughtius Maximus

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    Yep,that's the great hope for us all. That in the battle between out and out fascism and out and out kleptocracy, kleptocracy will be the winner :)
     
  14. The Jitty Slitter

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    Apparently Secdef to be Hegseth was once so drunk at an event he was chanting "kill all Muslims" at a bar

    This is what the Gaza crowd decided would be fun and great to vote for
     
  15. Kryptonite

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    Them: "The Muslims caused 9/11. They can't be trusted."

    Some of the left: "Soo...ACAB?"

    Them: "Oh no. Not that at all. Back the Blue!"

    Left: "So...including the FBI and those who arrested the 1/6 people?"

    The right: "Not those fakes and phonies."
     
  16. Chicago76

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    I’ll definitely look at the Longwell interview. As far as wagon hitching goes: I am in hindsight not surprised. Something made very obvious to me from work with clients over years: there is a not statistically insignificant number of people in this country who are essentially stateless. And not in a global refugee way. People who can go wherever they want and they’ll be more than extremely comfortable by virtue of their wealth. Maybe 1 in 200 people and they have almost zero loyalty and control most of the decision making too. They don’t have as much skin in the game and they will not hesitate to pull up stakes if the mafia (or a wealth or unrealized gains tax) turns against them.

    And by virtue of their success they are also overly confident they can make the system work. So a lot of people in positions of power and influence have made that calculation. If the system blows or is trending unfavorably, they have ways to offshore and infuse other places with capital and continue to grow their stack. If the system breaks, they have the capital to buy the wreckage at rock bottom prices and make even better returns.

    This (and the compliance/monitoring difficulties) are problems a Warren or Sanders style wealth tax and the Harris unrealized gains tax grossly underestimated as well.
     
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  17. charlie15

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    Related story......

    David Frum: “It is an ominous sign that Morning Joe felt it had to apologize for something I said on air.”
     
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  18. Belgian guy

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  19. Belgian guy

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    Still think that is idiotic personally. You either care about climate change or you don't, rejecting the entire movement because you aren't on board with the figurehead's positions in some other issues is bonkers.
    It's also a purity check that will eventually knock almost every single activist leader of his/her/their perch.
    Which I imagine is the point.
     
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  20. The Jitty Slitter

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    They didn't leave the climate movement - they just cut ties with her because she was doing damage to the cause.
     
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  21. Kazuma

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    Say what you will about Tom Nichols but he was right about her.
     
  22. rslfanboy

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    I think you’ll find that just about anyone who holds themselves up as the standard bearer is going to fail us in some way.
     
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  23. Tribune

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    What did she do?
     
  24. The Jitty Slitter

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    yeah don't agree Nichols was right but I do believe she squandered her movement on self indulgence. Not that the gaza cause is not important, but what she built was not her own fiefdom that she can just lead into whatever other justice cause she feels like. I never believed the idea that gaza had anything to do with climate justice.
     
  25. Belgian guy

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    She came out in support of the Palestinians.
     

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