Oh, Canada?

Discussion in 'MLS: Expansion' started by RushOnze, Aug 5, 2002.

  1. RushOnze

    RushOnze New Member

    May 16, 2001
    Colorado
    Did Garber really say Toronto for an expansion city? What would that mean? Canadians would no longer be "internationals". Is Vancouver next? What does FIFA have to say about two countries one league? Hmmmm?
     
  2. Nothus

    Nothus New Member

    Jun 15, 2000
    Cleveland, OH
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The NASL had a few Canadian teams and the A League has a couple of them, if I remember correctly, so it wouldn't be without precident. However, I have been under the impression that the power that be in FIFA were dead set against division one leagues expanding across national lines (imagine the MFL expanding into LA, for example).

    That said, if a group of Canadian investors can pony up the cash and build a nice stadium, I say let them in.
     
  3. cdmphy

    cdmphy Member

    Jan 14, 2000
    Natick, MA
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    I thought Canada already had plans for a national league to start within the next few years
     
  4. sanariot

    sanariot Member

    Nov 19, 2001
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    There are plans for a Canadian league, but they have hit all kinds of snags. The league was originally supposed to be up and running this year, but now they're saying 2003 at the earliest, or (more likely) 2004.
     
  5. RushOnze

    RushOnze New Member

    May 16, 2001
    Colorado
    That is probably the driving factor in the background that we dont know about yet.
     
  6. Sober Tom

    Sober Tom Member

    Sep 10, 2001
    Glassboro, South Jer
    Club:
    CA River Plate
    Nat'l Team:
    United States


    sounds like some other league i know......
     
  7. Jarrek

    Jarrek New Member

    Aug 15, 2001
    Toronto
    The A-League has four Canadian teams in Vancouver, Calgary, Toronto and Montreal.

    Vancouver has been the traditional Canadian soccer centre, and last year the Vancouver Whitecaps attracted an average of 5,600 fans to their games.

    Toronto could be a huge success if a proper venue is built.
     
  8. kenosha

    kenosha New Member

    Sep 19, 2001
    West Vancouver, BC
    Canada

    A team in Toronto will happen only if the economics make sense and all the baseline issues of stadium, federation agreements happen, etc.. happen.

    Assuming it could be worked out, the argument I will make is that if it is good for MLS, it shouldn't matter that Toronto isn't within the boundaries of the USA. What is good for MLS is good for US Soccer. If having a more viable league means including a Canadiam team that is financially stable, then let it happen. It works in baseball,basketball and hockey with Toronto. It worked having Canadian teams in the NASL. All I care is that MLS survives with a viable business plan that ensures long-term, steady growth. If Canadian coins (known as loonies and toonies) help pay the bills, then take them. If they don't have a financially viable plan, then don't take them.

    Could you imagine a company like Pepsi saying we could make money in Canada, but let's not because we're American? That would be crazy. The MLS is a business and should pursue business opportunities that make sense.
     
  9. Minnman

    Minnman Member+

    Feb 11, 2000
    Columbus, OH, USA
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    My basic question here are technical:

    Toronto isn't in the US, therefore, it's not a US media market and won't do anything to expand that national media "footprint" MLS big-wigs like to talk about. On the other hand, the US and Canada have few market barriers, so goods flow pretty freely across our huge border.

    Second, MLS player allocation rules make it clear that this is a US league; it's all about developing American soccer talent. How would this mesh with a Canadian franchise? Would it have to be stocked with Americans and only a few non-US players? Some things just wouldn't translate - like US green card holders not counting as senior internationals.
     
  10. Nothus

    Nothus New Member

    Jun 15, 2000
    Cleveland, OH
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Second, MLS player allocation rules make it clear that this is a US league; it's all about developing American soccer talent. How would this mesh with a Canadian franchise? Would it have to be stocked with Americans and only a few non-US players? Some things just wouldn't translate - like US green card holders not counting as senior internationals.

    My guess is that Canadians would not count as internationals, while all the other MLS cap rules would apply. If I were Canadian, I'd be a bit more concerned about this. I wouldn't want the teams to load up with American talent to the detriment of talent Canadian players. Though, since we are talking about MLS, I'm sure HQ could fix the player drafts so that the majority of the players are Canadian :)
     
  11. Easybake15

    Easybake15 New Member

    Jul 11, 2001
    Buffalo, NY
    I just hope we won't be hearing the Canadian national anthem before the All-Star game. Any NBA fans out there know what I'm talking about. Ye gods.
     
  12. DoyleG

    DoyleG Moderator
    Staff Member

    FC Edmonton
    Canada
    Jan 11, 2002
    Victoria, BC
    Club:
    FC Edmonton
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    I'm not one who is convicned that an MLS team would work in Canada. The MLS has problems that it should deal with first before any expansion.

    Then again, Lifesavers candy is now being produced north of the border. Guess anything can happen.
     
  13. bright

    bright Member

    Dec 28, 2000
    Central District
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    One option:

    The player rules for any Canadian teams would work like those of American teams, except that you would swap out Canadians for Americans. Thus, a Toronto team would be allowed as many Canadians as they want, but have a limit of 3 senior internationals, etc. Americans would be considered international players for Canadian teams.

    If there is only one Canadian team in MLS, this may essentially be equivalent to the Canadian national team, minus any Canadian nationals playing for other MLS teams or in other leagues, plus some foreign ringers. Would this be good or bad or no big deal?

    - Paul
     
  14. JohnMac

    JohnMac New Member

    Jun 6, 2001
    Salinas, CA
    I posted this link on another thread but since its relavant:

    http://www.sportsnet.ca/soccer/story/10258138476074.shtml

    Things look mighty bleak north of the border and MLS might just be the lifeline they're looking for.

    I think FIFA will be supportive of a MLS team in Toronto if its the only viable way to get to an all Canadian first division (which it appears to be) and get a new stadium built for the Canadian Nats.
     
  15. DoyleG

    DoyleG Moderator
    Staff Member

    FC Edmonton
    Canada
    Jan 11, 2002
    Victoria, BC
    Club:
    FC Edmonton
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    MLS as our lifeline? Given all that's wrong in the MLS,it's more the other way around. The only reason Garber put Toronto in his speech is to give the apperance of stability.

    The MLS is interested in US development, not Canadian.

    An MLS team in Toronto? Sounds as real as those whole still want an NHL team in Hamilton.
     
  16. Testudo

    Testudo Member+

    Jan 29, 1999
    Arlington, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Let's hope so. After all:

    CANADA IS THE ENEMY!!!

    ...along with every other team in CONCACAF come qualifying time.
     

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