There is a local board that I follow and this is a question from that board. U16B final game of a tournament. Through ball goes into the box and the AR signals offside. The CR missed the flag and the keeper collects the ball. All seems innocent enough. AR puts his flag down and the keeper goes to punt the ball. The keeper shanks the punt and sends it straight to one of the attacking players who catches him off his line and scores from about 40 yards out. The CR then blows his whistle and disallows the goal saying that the player was offside. His rational when questioned was that "offside play continues until someone from our(the defending team) touches it." Anyway, every which way I read this it just sounds incorrect. I belive the goal should have stood. Am I correct there?
As soon as the keeper controlled the ball the offside situation was negated - that is the attacking player should not be called offside in the initial movement. A player cannot be offside if the ball comes straight to him/her from an opponent so the attacking player cannot be offside if the defending keeper kicks the ball directly to him/her. The keeper is a defending player. Sounds very strange. It is definitely a "you had to be there" problem. Crowdie
If I may ask, was this club U16 or AYSO U16? Either way the referee should have enough training to know this is a goal. In order to to be offside you must be in the offside position and receive the ball from a teammate. If ball deflects off the keeper it would have been offside, but he held the ball and had control.
Yes, I'd have to say that there is little to no chance that I'd call this goal back. As a referee at this point, you've allowed possession by the keeper and so there is no longer an offside issue. It is not like advantage never materialized, because he has full possession. The entire offside situation is over and done with before he punts it. Now he punts it right to an attacker and that attacker puts it into the goal -- it's a good goal.
Not sure why this would make a difference. Here in SoCal at the U14/U16 level, I don't see much a difference in referee quality between two orgs (I've worked in both). If anything, AYSO might be a little better in the U16 range, as I see a lot of CYSA (Club) AR's who are out there for the pay and little else.
I thought at first, that collect might have just meant taken a dribble or two, but if he collected it enough to 'punt' it, the previously play is over, and offside should be reset. If the keeper has the ball in his hands and punts it to the opposition. NO LONGER OFFSIDE and GOAL!
I agree that in So Cal there is little difference, but that is not true everywhere in this country, some places don't have a solid AYSO ref program.
From my undersanding this was a USSF game not AYSO. I was not there. I read it on a local board that I follow. Just sounded wrong to me and I was sure I knew the goal should have counted. Just wanted a sanity check.
I assume you're talking about bigsoccer as opposed to this forum. Sometimes, this forum is the only hint of sanity I can find.
Yes, and an allusion to the fact that half of the people in the soccer world believe referees to be fully and irreversibly crazy in the first place.