Offseason Thread

Discussion in 'New England Revolution' started by JMMUSA8, Nov 6, 2004.

  1. JMMUSA8

    JMMUSA8 New Member

    Nov 3, 2001
    Webster
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Alright, we should probably keep this thread for trades, signings, waivers, etc. I say we start the thread off of what moves should be made, who should be resigned, traded, waived, and exposed to the Expansion draft.

    Discuss.
     
  2. Soccer Doc

    Soccer Doc Member+

    Nov 30, 2001
    Keene, NH
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    For sure we will be protecting all those who played last night. Dorman and Clint are DV roster and exempt from the expansion draft which means we can protect one more regular roster player. I suspect we will protect either Franchino or Brown (if he decides to stay in MLS). Of course be exposed doesn't mean a player will be picked up by an expansion team. The joker in this deck will be trades and overseas signings.
     
  3. brianzappa

    brianzappa Member

    Oct 21, 2003
    In a big country
    Just as importantly, now that the Revs' season is over, when/where is the party? :)
     
  4. Chowda

    Chowda Member

    Sep 13, 2004
    Rhode Island
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    One thing that worries me about the offseason. Our strong showing in the playoffs may have hurt our chances of landing a strong SI for next season.

    When MLS did that Danny Szetela lottery, they weighed heavily on postseason performance so in MLS's eyes we are now one of the top four teams in the league.

    With the addition of two new teams, we had already moved further down the allocation totum pole.

    You would figure if Joe-Max Moore retires there would be plenty of money to aquire a quality SI. That's assuming management wouldn't just pocket the savings.

    Our only chance may be the superdraft. We have done fine the past few years. I would assume we have the fifth pick with the third worst record plus the two expansion teams. Is this correct?
     
  5. Ross

    Ross Member

    Feb 16, 1999
    Straight outta Qtown
    Have you got any suggestions?
     
  6. brianzappa

    brianzappa Member

    Oct 21, 2003
    In a big country
    How about the OD?
     
  7. patfan1

    patfan1 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 19, 1999
    Nashua, NH
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Can Charlie Davies leave BC early and tell MLS he'll only play for the Revs? :)

    I would actually think that we would get the 9th pick, but I'm not sure. I know that's how the NFL does it, even with the record, the two teams in the finals would get the last two picks in the draft. So we had the worse record of the two losing teams in the semis ... so we'd get the higher pick than LA. Could be wrong of course.
     
  8. Ann

    Ann Member

    Feb 17, 1999
    MA
    The problem with the OD is they have live music on Saturday nights and football on Sundays.
     
  9. brianzappa

    brianzappa Member

    Oct 21, 2003
    In a big country
    How about a Friday night?

    If that doesn't work, any place would be fine with me, I was just responding to Amy's request for a suggestion.
     
  10. BrianLBI

    BrianLBI BigSoccer Supporter

    Sep 7, 2002
    New Hampshire
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  11. Coach_Barry

    Coach_Barry Member

    Aug 18, 2001
    Taunton, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: Baker gone?


    Baker denies any plans to leave in today's press.

    Twellman mulls exit

     
  12. Fiero20

    Fiero20 Member

    Aug 3, 2002
    Gillette Stadium
    Club:
    Fulham FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    well lets start with who we (shouldnt/arent going to) keep.

    baker - off to shelbourne
    joe-max - too old and too costly
    Llamosa - same as JMM (although if he had another year left on his contract i would say keep him for the one year)
    brilliant - just not worth keeping. didnt do anything for the team this year.
    howie - wtf? get him out.

    and keepers:
    dempsey, reis, twellman, noonan, cancela, joseph, john, leanord, ralston, pierce, dorman, singer, and vercollone.

    bubble boys:
    heaps and franchino - might leave unprotected for the expansion. not playing the greatest soccer this year. (heaps - play; franchino - injury)
    brown - probably keep, but a lot of injuries could mean a trade or leave unprotected.
    kamler - maybe keep him to mentor younger wigners. but he is aging. love the guy though.
    bellah and thompson - about as certain as a frankie hejduk cross.


    as long as we keep the core of who started against DC i think we should be fine. i also feel we should pick up a striker who we can sub in late in games (or >gulp< fill in for injuries) for twellman and noonan. someone like how jamil walker use to sub in for SJ last year. also another outside midfielder would be useful.

    and im done.
     
  13. Soccer Doc

    Soccer Doc Member+

    Nov 30, 2001
    Keene, NH
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Not so. The super draft order is base on the regular season finish--single table order. The two expansion teams will go first and then the Fire and Revs (unless FC Dallas had less points than us??). We will have either the 4th or 5th pick.
     
  14. patfan1

    patfan1 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 19, 1999
    Nashua, NH
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Sweet, if that's true, we'd have the fourth pick.
     
  15. Soccer Doc

    Soccer Doc Member+

    Nov 30, 2001
    Keene, NH
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    -----AND NOW FOR---The Mike Marshall Pre Super Draft Analysis :D

    I do love the Hot-Stove Season :cool:
     
  16. swedcrip34

    swedcrip34 New Member

    Mar 17, 2004
    last year it was adjusted by playoff exit. i'll double check though since there weren't too many upsets
     
  17. swedcrip34

    swedcrip34 New Member

    Mar 17, 2004
    last years draft order
    DAL
    CLB
    LA
    DC
    COL
    MET
    KC
    NE
    CHI
    SJ

    single table
    DAL
    LA
    CLB
    DC
    COL
    MET&KCtied
    NE
    SJ
    CHI

    not much in common

    but if you break the draft order into groups, it makes sense

    DAL
    CLB
    ------did not make playoffs (order single table)

    LA
    DC
    COL
    MET
    -------first round losers (order single table)

    KC
    NE
    -------conf final losers (order single table)

    CHI
    -----MLS Cup runner-up

    SJ
    ------MLS Cup winner

    so unless someone has any PROOF that it's changed, I'm really questioning that claim

    I'm pretty sure this is the system used every MLS draft since 97
     
  18. Soccer Doc

    Soccer Doc Member+

    Nov 30, 2001
    Keene, NH
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The joker in looking at the above conflicting lists is that some trades etc changed the natural order. Till shown otherwise i will stand by my statement that the picking order is based on the reverse of how the teams finished the regular season---but I may well be mistaken and the playoffs may be factored in as well. I'm always reminded that this is MLS and we can never be sure what the rules are---this week. ;)
     
  19. swedcrip34

    swedcrip34 New Member

    Mar 17, 2004
    I posted the natural order. Do you want me to explain each trade, cause I can. You asked for it. I can do this for every college/superdraft. I know each natural order. And they're all consistent from brief looks at how they pick the order. Do you have any evidence?

    Round 1
    1 DC (f DAL) Adu, Freddy R1P01Y04P9
    2 CLB Marshall, Chad R1P02Y04P8
    3 LA Ngwenya, Joseph R1P03Y04
    4 KC (f DC t DAL) Taylor, Matt R1P04Y04
    5 SJ (f COL) Cochrane, Ryan R1P05Y04P2
    6 DAL (f MET t LA) Nunez, Ramon R1P06Y04S2
    7 DAL (f KC) Goodson, Clarence R1P07Y04P6
    8 NE Dempsey, Clint R1P08Y04P4
    9 CHI (f CHI t NE) Buete, Scott R1P09Y04
    10 SJ Cronin, Steve R1P10Y04P3

    Round 2
    1 CHI (f DAL t LA t MET) Griffin, Leonard R2P01Y04
    2 CLB Wingert, Chris R2P02Y04S1
    3 LA Gardner, Josh R2P03Y04P5
    4 LA (f DC t CHI) Grabavoy, Ned R2P04Y04P7
    5 COL Gregorio, Adolfo R2P05Y04
    6 COL (f MET t CLB) Cann, Adrian R2P06Y04
    7 KC Hesmer, Will R2P07Y04
    8 MET (f NE t CHI) Stammler, Seth R2P08Y04
    9 CHI Pickens, Matt R2P09Y04
    10 CHI (f SJ) Ibrahim, Sumed R2P10Y04

    Round 3
    1 MET (f DAL) Wells, Zack R3P01Y04
    2 LA (f CLB) Arzate, Guillermo R3P02Y04
    3 NE (f LA) White, Jeremiah R3P03Y04
    4 DC (f DC t KC) Ara, Kevin R3P04Y04
    5 COL (f COL t CLB) Taylor, Kevin R3P05Y04
    6 MET Occean, Olivier R3P06Y04
    7 SJ (f KC) Wilson, Mike R3P07Y04
    8 CHI (f NE) Stephenson, Khari R3P08Y04
    9 DAL (f CHI) Maurin, Ty R3P09Y04
    10 SJ Pecorelli, Lindon R3P10Y04

    Round 4
    1 DAL Wagenfuhr, David R4P01Y04
    2 CLB Sutton, Jamal R4P02Y04
    3 LA McGill, David R4P03Y04
    4 DC Gros, Josh R4P04Y04
    5 COL Richards, Kevin R4P05Y04
    6 MET Bradley, Michael R4P06Y04P1
    7 KC Alberts, Jay R4P07Y04
    8 CHI (f NE) Clanton, Denny R4P08Y04
    9 CHI Hucles, Phil R4P09Y04
    10 SJ Puseck, Marin R4P10Y04

    Round 5
    1 CLB (f DAL) Crew, Adom R5P01Y04
    2 CLB Vercollone, Luke R5P02Y04
    3 LA Perry, Jason R5P03Y04
    4 DC Hudson, Kevin R5P04Y04
    5 COL Sullivan, Gary R5P05Y04
    6 MET David, Johnny R5P06Y04
    7 KC Detter, Justin R5P07Y04
    8 KC (f NE) Barber, Ryan R5P08Y04
    9 CHI Pilarski, Ian R5P09Y04
    10 SJ Dombrowski, Tighe R5P10Y04

    Round 6
    1 CHI (f DAL) McGowan, Ryan R6P01Y04
    2 CLB Haefner, Matthew R6P02Y04
    3 LA Gordon, Alan R6P03Y04
    4 DAL (f DC) Miranda, Edwin R6P04Y04
    5 COL Pulido, John R6P05Y04
    6 NE (f MET) Brilliant, Felix R6P06Y04
    7 LA (f KC) Aloisi, Chri R6P07Y04
    8 NE Dorman, Andy R6P08Y04
    9 CHI McManus, Tony R6P09Y04
    10 MET (f SJ) Parke, Jeff R6P10Y04


    looks better in excel, shows natural order very clearly
     
  20. Soccer Doc

    Soccer Doc Member+

    Nov 30, 2001
    Keene, NH
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    YIKES-HAVE MERCY-DOZO

    Just answer one question to this simple fan-- I will believe your answer

    Is it just the trade adjusted, end of season standings or are the playoff considered as well?
     
  21. shuvy87

    shuvy87 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Oct 17, 2003
    USA
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
    When is the expansion draft, waiver draft, and 2005 super draft.

    Can't the REvolution sign Joe-Max as an assitant coach?
     
  22. Jeremy Goodwin

    Feb 16, 1999
    Club:
    Montreal Impact
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Dates haven't been set yet.

    The expansion draft will be after MLS Cup, but before Thanksgiving. The Super Draft is generally in mid January.

    The first waiver draft will be after the Expansion draft, but before Christmas, probably before the end of November.

    Information on the Waiver and Expansion drafts from here:
    http://fc.dallas.mlsnet.com/MLS/new...ent_id=17814&vkey=news_dab&fext=.jsp&team=dab
    and here:
    http://fc.dallas.mlsnet.com/MLS/new...ent_id=18191&vkey=news_dab&fext=.jsp&team=dab

    Interesting is that each expansion team will also be getting 6 (SIX) discovery picks their first year, 4 (FOUR) their second year, and 4 (FOUR) their third year, however those discoveries will be crippled (subjugated to non-expansion discovery picks) until after all teams in the league have played three games, at which point they will have the normal ranking scheme applied.

    They also get three allocations, with one of those three each being a super allocation that takes precedence over all other allocations.

    They also have the two last picks in any waiver drafts, and will have a lower percentage chance in any lottery drafts until the end of the first season.

    I think those discovery picks are the real meat and potatoes of the deal.
     
  23. swedcrip34

    swedcrip34 New Member

    Mar 17, 2004
    playoffs are considered, it's broken down by 5 groups

    1) 2 teams not making playoffs, ordered by reg season finish (picks 3 & 4)

    2) 4 teams exiting 1st round, ordered by reg season finish (picks 5-8)

    3) 2 teams exiting conf finals ordered by reg season finish (pick 9&10)

    4) MLS Cup runner-up (pick 11)

    5) MLS Cup winner (pick 12)

    of course this year is an expansion year, so Real Salt Lake & Chivas USA get the top 2 picks. Whoever goes 1st in the expansion draft will go 2nd in the SuperDraft.

    and after this "natural order" is set for all 6 rounds, at least half the picks will change hands through trades. and if you really want to know, I've tracked all these for 05!
     
  24. swedcrip34

    swedcrip34 New Member

    Mar 17, 2004
    so far for NE here's what I've got for draft picks.

    sent 5th rounder to CHI for Vercollone

    future considerations due from SJ for Chris Brown

    may be due another draft pick from LA for Diego Serna
    http://www.revolutionsoccer.net/news/fullstory.sps?iNewsid=40878&itype=&iCategoryID=429

    already got the 3rd rndr in 2004 used on Jeremiah White. trade included "two conditional picks". haven't researched if another pick is still due NE (really not sure but would guess not)

    most teams have many more trades so it looks like round 1-4 & 6 are still held naturally (will be pick 9 of each round) and there may be one or two more picks out there if conditions were met
     
  25. Jon Martin

    Jon Martin Member+

    Apr 25, 2000
    SE Mass
    On the last MLS Wrap, it was said that the expansion draft would happen on the Friday after the cup final.
     

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