Alert: OFFICIAL: Xherdan Shaqiri Career Deaththread AND Shaqiri Nutrider Thread

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  1. juicecrewallstar

    Chicago Fire
    United States
    Mar 1, 2019
    Barlow is still the worst bang for the buck
     
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  2. overlap_old_coach

    Chicago Fire
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    May 2, 2022
    I get what you are saying, but I’m curious…did Shaq and Barlow ever share minutes together? Don’t recall it…
     
  3. bunge

    bunge BigSoccer Supporter

    Oct 24, 2000
    Hopefully Shaq refused if it ever came up. :D

    I'm sure they practiced together. I'm sure Barlow was the competition for whoever else did play. I'm sure it must be embarrassing as a professional to play with Barlow at any capacity.
     
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  4. As a fan, it's embarrassing to watch Barlow in any capacity, including the stadium cleanup crew.
     
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  5. harrylee773

    harrylee773 Member+

    Jul 28, 2004
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    In addition to the highlights that Bunge and JCAS already posted, Shaq’s game against Miami last year was great to be at.
     
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  6. juicecrewallstar

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  7. xtomx

    xtomx Member+

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    Northern Wisconsin, but not far from civilization
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    #1232 xtomx, Aug 14, 2024
    Last edited: Aug 14, 2024
    Wow!
    I tried to look this up.


    Shaqiri has already been removed from the Fire's website.

    I clicked on roster, he's gone.
    I clicked on a match, to link to his page. It's gone.

    I see three matches were both of them played.

    April 13 v. NYRB 0-0 draw
    It appears Shaqiri played the full 90.
    Barlow came in to wander around in the 75th minute.

    May 4 v. New England 0-1 loss
    65th minute Double sub
    Shaqiri and Barlow came into the match for Mueller and Koutsias!

    May 11 v. St. Louis 1-3 loss
    Shaqiri played the full 90
    63rd minute
    Barlow came on for Mueller.
     
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  8. overlap_old_coach

    Chicago Fire
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    May 2, 2022
    Yea…this wasn’t exactly a knee jerk move…if anything it’s all been ready to go since the beginning of June, but needed to wait to see if they landed a huge sell or if he’d go after Heitz.
     
  9. xtomx

    xtomx Member+

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    I would suspect that he has a few clubs lined up for his services.
    If not, then this move makes little sense for either side.
     
  10. goldclover

    goldclover Member+

    Mar 25, 2010
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    I was very very happy when he was signed solely for his play with the Swiss team. Alas it just did not pan out quite as much as I would have liked for our marquis player. Best of luck.
     
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  11. harrylee773

    harrylee773 Member+

    Jul 28, 2004
    Chicago
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    I’d take him on Palermo in a heartbeat. I mean, there are few clubs in the world that couldn’t use his talent, even if it would be as a super sub for some of the bigger clubs. We are truly unique.
     
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  12. Pennsylvania Dave

    Jul 31, 2012
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    MODS?!?!?!?!
    [​IMG]
     
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  13. bunge

    bunge BigSoccer Supporter

    Oct 24, 2000
    What, are people that afraid of highlights from wherever he goes? :p
     
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  14. Pennsylvania Dave

    Jul 31, 2012
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    No...just always looking for an excuse to use a Jon Taffer gif.
     
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  15. overlap_old_coach

    Chicago Fire
    United States
    May 2, 2022
    SL posted on X what was likely Shaq's best play for us...he clearly could generate a world class touch, just wish there were more of these to choose from his time here.
     
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  16. overlap_old_coach

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  17. xtomx

    xtomx Member+

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    #1243 xtomx, Aug 16, 2024
    Last edited: Aug 16, 2024
    What a coup for Basel, but not a surprise.
    Great for them (maybe he will help them get back to European competition as they are not playing in Europe this year for the first time in over 20 years).
    Great for Shaqiri.
    Great for the Swiss League.

    Too bad the Fire could not get something for him, even a token transfer fee, but that saga is over and time to move on to something else now.
     
  18. schroncar

    schroncar Member+

    Chicago Fire
    Mar 2, 2007
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Agree it is time to move on- but I do have a question.
    My definition of “ mutual termination” would mean no payment to either party.
    In the MLS, given the facts of Shaqiri scenario, who knows what happened.
    What do you think? Did Fire pay him all/part/ none of the salary in contract?
     
  19. xtomx

    xtomx Member+

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    #1245 xtomx, Aug 16, 2024
    Last edited: Aug 16, 2024
    Speaking in general contract law terms (a course I teach in the Fall), mutual termination usually ends the obligations on both parts.

    We often call that contract recission, especially early in the contract (although not in this situation).

    Of course, there are also contract settlements, where one party pays the other to just end the contract. I have had dozens, if not hundreds, of those in my career. Frankly, that is my preferred method of dealing with contract disputes or breach of contract fights.

    Also, it is pretty obvious that the deal with Basel was set up prior to his release, so there would be no reason for the Fire to pay him the rest of his contract.

    There is one curious thing. His contract was terminated yesterday and he signed with Basel today. Basel's season started a couple of weeks ago. Why didn't he leave three weeks ago and sign with Basel prior to the start of their season? We had nothing going on, so his leaving 2-3 weeks ago would not have made a difference to the Fire (other than giving us more time to look for a replacement).

    I suspect that they have trying desperately to move him (or his people have been trying desperately to secure a move). It was not happening, so the Basel deal came to fruition on the condition that they could sign him on a free. The Fire, faced with the possibility of paying another 3 million or so for that last third of the season, only to lose him in Fall, when it would be harder for him to find a new team, just agreed to terminate the contract.

    The Fire save a couple of million.
    Shaqiri gets to leave now, while he is in shape, healthy, but has had a good rest.
    Basel gets a player ready to go and one that didn't cost them anything other than negotiations.

    However, I could see this scenario: He signs for Basel for a couple of million less than the Fire are paying him and the Fire pay him the rest of his contract to make up the difference. That would be generous (and unnecessary) for Joe to do, but that might make it easier for Shaqiri to make the decision to leave now, instead of waiting until after the season and just collecting a fat paycheck for six months.

    Your point about this being MLS and we probably won't actually know the terms is well taken.

    (This is probably the longest post I have ever written on my phone. If it is riddled with spelling errors, I apologize.)
     
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  20. schroncar

    schroncar Member+

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    Good commentary. Two very plausible scenarios. Which one do you think it was?
     
  21. xtomx

    xtomx Member+

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    Northern Wisconsin, but not far from civilization
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    Mutual termination with no money being spent by the Fire.

    Shaqiri is rich enough that he should not need that "cushion" of Joe's money.

    Plus, it seems obvious that he really wanted to leave. If so, he is probably willing to take a slight financial hit.

    Again, I look back to Bastian's situation when he came here. He was making double at ManU than we paid him. He could have easily just ridden out the rest of the season in Manchester (he had returned to the first team after Jose's humiliation of him by making him train with the youth squad) whether he played or not. He chose a massive pay cut to leave and join The Fire.

    The Fire did not treat Shaqiri poorly, but he knew he had no future here, so take the hit (if there is one) and move back to his original team to finish his career.

    Of course, Basel will probably sell him in January/May to a team in Saudi Arabia for $5,000,000 and the Fire will look like chumps...again.
     
  22. schroncar

    schroncar Member+

    Chicago Fire
    Mar 2, 2007
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Ok. So based upon the little we actually know plus some logical? guesses,
    this may be how it all went: ( Or Not)
    Three balls being juggled in the air- 1)Shaqiri/Basel negotiate his new salary.
    2) Fire want to get a “small” transfer fee from Basel and his salary waived.
    3) Shaqiri wants to retain at least part of the salary due him under the contract.

    After a while, Shaqiri and Basel agree on new salary, contingent upon certain
    arrival date, and Shaqiri returns to US to try to negotiate with Fire.
    Both Shaqiri and Fire initially hold firm but it becomes apparent Basel will not
    pay a transfer fee and the Fire will not agree unless Shaqiri waives all the salary.

    As deadline approaches for Shaqiri to play for Basel and the MLS transfer window
    nears closure, both parties finally relent and …Presto! We got a deal!
     
  23. bunge

    bunge BigSoccer Supporter

    Oct 24, 2000
    #1249 bunge, Aug 16, 2024
    Last edited: Aug 16, 2024
    Both parties mutually agreed to walk away. There’s no reason to try and make it seem like some contentious issue. It’s pretty normal. Will a just left Fulham last second with no place to go.

    EDIT: There’s almost zero chance of selling a player with six months left on their contract. I believe that player can already begin negotiations with new teams for when they’re available on a free. Thinking we could get something for Shaq was a fantasy at best.
     
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  24. Shaqiri probably didn't want to walk away from any money. He knew how much Basel was going to pay him (maybe low, low 7 figures) and expected the Fire to make up the difference. The Fire wanted someone to come in with an offer to lower their cost to let him go. No one did. BUT, if the Fire wanted to add to the squad they had to get Shaqiri off the books so I'd bet there was a buyout for some, if not all of the difference between what was owed him and what Basel would pay him.
     
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