Official Weightlifting Thread

Discussion in 'Other Sports' started by dfb547490, May 29, 2003.

  1. dfb547490

    dfb547490 New Member

    Feb 9, 2000
    The Heights
    So I pulled a ligament in my hip a few weeks ago and can't go to Norfolk for Navy training in June because of that, so I'm looking to get a stronger upper body over the summer. I've lifted on and off for the past 2 or so years but never really knew what I was doing, I just got a book called "The Body Sculpting Bible for Men" and the workouts from that are awesome, I'm only a week in however. I modified it it a bit to go with my Navy PT work but here's a typical workout:

    Tuesday/Thursday:
    Pushups (4X40)
    One-Arm Rows
    Incline Dumbell Press
    Dumbbell Pullovers
    Incline Dumbbell Flys
    Dumbbell Curls
    Lying Dumbbell Triceps Extensions
    Concentration Curls
    Triceps Kickbacks
    Lat Pulldowns
    Wrist Curls

    Wednesday:
    Situps (4X60)
    Dumbbell Squats
    Leg Curls
    Ballet Squats
    Stiff-legged Deadlifts
    Dumbbell Calf Raises (1 leg)
    Dumbbell Shoulder Press
    Dumbbell Calf Raises (2 legs)
    Bent-over Lateral Raises

    Saturday:
    Tues/Thurs workout plus Dumbbell Shoulder Press, Bent-over Lateral Raises, 4X60 situps

    Anyone else into lifting?
     
  2. FearM9

    FearM9 New Member

    Jul 14, 2000
    On my bike
    I'm more into maintenance of my muscles rather than bulking up.

    With the 2003 climbing/hiking/cycling season in full swing I haven't been able to get into the gym as much as I would like the past month or so.

    My strength sessions are rarely over an hour.

    I'll use either free weights or machines...just whatever is available at the time.

    I'll progress from chest --> shoulders --> back --> arms.

    Bench press
    Incline bench
    Seated shoulder press
    Lat pull-downs
    Seated row
    Lateral raises
    Front raises
    Bicep curls
    Tricep kickbacks
    Wrist curls

    If I have time I hop on the pullup/tricep dip machine.

    With lower body I progess from upper leg --> lower leg.

    Squats or walking lunges
    Hamstring curl (I need to do more of these :rolleyes: )
    Calf raises

    My home workouts differ than my gym workouts...

    Pushups
    Lateral and front raises
    Bicep curls
    Tricep kickbacks
    Wrist curls
    Walking lunges
    Calf raises

    All workouts regardless if I am at the gym or home always end with crunches and supermans.

    I usually work at my second job on a combo of Monday/Tuesday/Thursday...either one day a week or two days a week and in rare instances three days a week. When the weather is not so great or if I am scrunched for time I'll be in the gym on my non-work days...well actually now I'm either hiking or climbing. The weekends are when I mainly do my home workouts.
     
  3. zpjohnstone

    zpjohnstone Member

    Feb 27, 2001
    Finger Lakes, NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm a one muscle group a day kind of guy- I'll spend as little as 30 minutes if I'm just doing biceps, or as much as 1 1/2 hours if I'm doing my back with a friend. I get bored easily, so I change up my workout almost everytime. I've just found that that's the style that works for me. I do some kind of cardio everyday, as well as ab work. I don't do any kind of leg weight work in the gym as my legs are as developed as I want them to be from soccer, biking, running, and hiking.
     
  4. bungadiri

    bungadiri Super Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jan 25, 2002
    Acnestia
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I’ve got a bunch of free weights at home which I occasionally supplement with a visit to the University gyms. Workouts ideally take 90 minutes or less. When I was single, I’d lift 6 days a week. Now it’s more like 3 or 4, and I’ll break my chest/arms and shoulders/back workouts into smaller pieces for time’s sake.

    For legs I do full squats with light or heavy weights, leg extensions and curls, and lower back work.

    Chest: I do flat and inclined benches plus dumbbell flies.

    Arms: I do 3 different tricep (always including close grips) and 2 different bicep (always including dumbbell curls).

    Back: I do pull-ups or cable pull-downs, cable rows, and dumbbell rows (single), shrugs, and wrist and forearm curls.

    Shoulders: I hate these so I superset to get them over with: flies with behind the neck, and some rear delt flies.

    Misc: If I can get my wife to cooperate, I’ll do some donkey calf raises. I do either leg raises, crunches, or cable crunches with each workout.

    I'll run 2 miles 2-3 times/week.
     
  5. FearM9

    FearM9 New Member

    Jul 14, 2000
    On my bike
    I had a quickie workout tonight....all of the following were 3x12s:

    Bench
    Lat pull-down
    Seated row
    Pull-ups/dips

    Then I went on a 30 minute walk (I didn't have my running shoes...I had my hiking shoes) and then came back and stretched and did crunches and Supermans.
     
  6. dfb547490

    dfb547490 New Member

    Feb 9, 2000
    The Heights
    My goal is for this thread to get as big as the running thread.

    Big workout tomorrow.
     
  7. otterulz

    otterulz Member

    Arsenal, Atleti
    South Korea
    Jun 20, 2002
    LIC, NY
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I decided to use the workout bench I have in my basement instead of having it sit there. I'm a pretty skinny guy so I'm lookin to add on a few pounds of muscle over the summer, but I have no idea where to begin. I do bench presses. Usually 3x10. Then I'll do curls with free weights, but I don't know if my form is even proper. I have one of those triceip bars and use those. Then I'll do some situps. I'm clueless on how to set a proper regiment, but my friend swears by seperating his areas into set days. Any advice would be appreciated.
     
  8. russ

    russ Member+

    Feb 26, 1999
    Canton,NY
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I use free weights or machines at Clarkson (I got a membership).I also have a set of dumbells at home and my brother has a full set of weights and bench.

    There a lot of good basic texts out there for anyone beginning to lift.Work more on your large muscle groups first.Concentrate on form-if you don't have right form,you're not working the muscle you think you are.

    Alex,are you doing any hip-specific exercises?Long-term,if you build up the muscles around that hip,you reduce the odds of reinjury.

    otter,the reason it's good to rotate areas IMO,is that you reduce the chance of overtraining an area and causing injury.Making sure you only do certain areas on certain days is the easiest way to do this.

    Oh,one more thing.Crunches good,situps bad.Just ask my back.
     
  9. bungadiri

    bungadiri Super Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jan 25, 2002
    Acnestia
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    As with almost anything, a certain degree of "what works for you" is true with lifting. However, there is a logic to it, also. For example, I try to organize my workouts into pushing muscles one day (chest) vs pulling muscles another (back) but there's bound to be exceptions and overlap. I also do legs on their own, because I'm pretty wiped out after a good leg workout. You should also strive for an overall balance. Work all major muscle groups in some way. Otherwise you risk strengthening one group so much it will overpower the other muscles it's supposed to work with, with strains, spasms, even stress fractures as a possible result. Plus it looks funky. I always get tickled looking at the guys with enormous upper bodies and little birdie legs.

    Russ is right, in any workout you're probably better off starting with the largest muscle mass first. For upper body, that's the chest, and from there progress to the arms, shoulders, or whatever. For lower body, if you do something like squats or leg presses, do those first, because they involve your butt. The reason is you're going to use up a lot of energy moving the weight necessary to properly exercise those areas, so do the hardest first. Also, if you tire out your arms first, for example, it'll be harder to get a correspondingly high level of exhaustion for your chest. (Note: this is more true of free weights. With machines, there are stations that isolate the muscle groups pretty effectively.)

    Beyond that, I'd emphasize the simple rules:

    Lift regularly, stretch often.

    Breathe properly, exhale during exertion. (When I first started with squats, I was doing a set with 235 lbs and passed out because I held my breath when I was pushing the weight. Fortunately I just toppled over backward. I came to with my feet poking up in the air, the barbell still on my shoulders, and 3 guys looking down at me with their eyes bugged out saying "are you alright, dude?")

    Don't exercise the same muscle group 2 days in a row (allow recovery time).

    If it hurts while you do it, either do it differently or do something else. Do not work through pain.*

    Balance is important.

    Partners make it more fun and safer.

    Find a book. There are some really good ones out there and it'll help you decide whether you want to, for example, try for a more aerobically oriented circuit training program or something that focuses more on building mass. (I go the mass route, but that's mainly because the first gyms I worked out in were hard core powerlifter/bodybuilder places.)

    *I don't see any problem with muscle soreness the next day, however. That's just an indication you did the job right and I actually kind of like the way that feels. A day after a good leg workout my butt will be sore enough that I have to collapse into chairs from a height of 6-12 inches rather than easing into them normally.
     
  10. dfb547490

    dfb547490 New Member

    Feb 9, 2000
    The Heights
    There's a bunch of great workout books out there. I got "The Body Sculpting Bible For Men" by Hugo Rivera and James Villepigue a few weeks ago and love it so far. One of the tips they say is that you should use dumbbells instead of barbells whenever possible, as it forces you to use both arms instead of using your stronger one to take up the slack for the other. Also, if you mentally focus on the muscle you're trying to work, your workout will be a lot better (you'll notice that you're a lot more tired when you're done your set, as opposed to when you're just "going thru the motions" as they put it but not really thinking about it).

    Russ, I actually don't know any hip-specific exercises, what would you suggest? I've been doing some leg work and a lot of running (when it's not too painful) and swimming so hopefully that will help strengthen it. I basically pulled it by going for a run without stretching properly first, so I'm a lot more careful about that now.
     
  11. chuwy2000

    chuwy2000 Member

    Jun 17, 2000
    El Paso Tx
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    So which books do you recommend gentlemen? (Besides the one Alex just mentioned)
     
  12. dfb547490

    dfb547490 New Member

    Feb 9, 2000
    The Heights
    Well I just joined this gym a week ago and apparently they close at 5 on Saturdays--I didn't know that so I couldn't do my last 2 exercises, but I still got a good workout in:

    Pushups - 2X40, 2X35
    Situps - 4X60
    Two-arm Rows - 2X12X60
    Lat Pulldowns - 12X110, 10X120 (I'm looking to improve on these)
    Dumbbell Pullovers - 1X12X40, 1X10X40
    Incline Dumbbell Flys - 2X12X50
    Dumbbell Curls - 2X12X60
    Lying Dumbbell Triceps Extensions - 2X12X50
    Concentration Curls - 2X12X25 per arm
    Triceps Kickbacks - 2X12X25 per arm
    Bent-over Lateral Raises - 12X30, 12X20
    Wrist Curls - 2X12X30
    Run - 2 miles

    I hadn't lifted in about 2 months before this week and I just started this new program which has a bunch of exercises I've never done before, so I've been going a little light this week, but I'll hopefully be stepping it up a bit on Tuesday.
     
  13. russ

    russ Member+

    Feb 26, 1999
    Canton,NY
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Does your gym have a rotary hip machine?That's a good way to isolate.Squats are very good too of course.I'll hope to see my friend at work (who's a PTA and serious runner) tomorrow for any further info.


    Make sure you stretch,but do something to warm up first;this sounds counter intuitive, but you can more safely stretch a warmed-up muscle.

    That's a good upper body program.Don't rely on running alone for your lowers,though,particularly since you have had a lower body injury.
     
  14. fantaz

    fantaz New Member

    May 19, 2003
    jersey
    my routine

    ok im doing this new routine. been doing it 2 weeks and so far the gains have been great

    3 day split. Sunday, Tuesday, Thursday.

    Day 1

    Incline DB press. (next month ill do flat db press instead)
    20% weight 10 reps immediately with
    50% weight 10 reps "
    100% weight failure

    DB Flys
    (same as incline db)

    DB Tricep Extensions
    50% weight 10 reps
    100% weight failure (2x)

    Weighted Dips (not bench dips)
    50% weight 10 reps
    100% weight failure

    Day 2

    Bent over DB row
    20% weight 10 reps
    50% weight 10 reps
    100% weight failure

    Deadlift
    50% weight 10 reps
    100% weight failure

    weighted wide grip pull ups
    50% weight 10 reps
    100% weight failure

    standing barbell curl
    50% weight 10 reps
    100% weight failure (2x)

    dumbell concentration curl
    50 % weight 10 reps
    100% weight failure (2x)

    dumbell shrugs
    100% weight failure (2x)


    Day 3


    Leg extensions
    20% weight 10 reps
    50% weight 10 reps
    100% weight failure immediately with

    Squats
    50% weight 10 reps
    100% weight failure (2x)

    Leg curls
    50% weight 10 reps
    100% weight failure immediately with

    Stiff legged dead lifts
    50% weight 10 reps
    100% weight failure

    dumbell standing calv raises
    100% weight failure (2x)

    Calv raises on leg press machine
    100% weight failure (2x)

    Dumbell shoulder press
    20% weight 10 reps
    50% weight 10 reps
    100% weight failure

    DB side raises
    50% weight failure
    100% weight failure (2x)



    I do Abs every other work out day.
    weight decline crunches 3 sets
    crunches
    leg raises

    some hip twistin machine for obliques
     
  15. bungadiri

    bungadiri Super Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jan 25, 2002
    Acnestia
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    fantaz, do you rest before you move up to the higher weights? In other words, how long a pause, if any, do you have between the sets?
     
  16. AFCA

    AFCA Member

    Jul 16, 2002
    X X X rated
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    Iran
    I've always been very skinny. I've been playing around with weightsa mostly up till a few months ago when I thought it might be an idea to actually get a bit more serious. Things are going allright except that I have to watch my back a bit. It gives me some trouble ocassionally (has done so for a long time)

    I'd post the schedule, but I'd have to lookup some of the exact names of the exercises. But globally:

    Monday --> Chest + front & side shoulders
    Tuesday --> Back + back shoulder + legs (upper legs only for the time being)
    Friday --> Biceps + Triceps

    Have stopped the ab-work since two months because it really gives me back-troubles sometimes. Have to find a solution for that.

    Change the routine once every 6 or 8 weeks (depending on how I like it and what I think I need to put emphasis on) and take one week rest then. I usually feel a lot stronger after that.

    Must say however that sometimes I lack the discipline to do EVERY training. I miss out sometimes. Pretty weird, cause when I'm at it I usually enjoy it.

    No need to get all blown up (ugly in many cases). Just a pair of nice firm arms, reasonably big chest, not too muscular legs and a nice V-back (which I have when I lose my fat after the summer).
     
  17. FearM9

    FearM9 New Member

    Jul 14, 2000
    On my bike
    What kind of ab work were you doing?
     
  18. AFCA

    AFCA Member

    Jul 16, 2002
    X X X rated
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    Iran
    The usual ground routine. The standard crunch, a butterfly crunch (is that how it's called) and another one (no idea what it's called) in a circuit kind of way. When I was younger I played waterpolo and we did the same thing... didn't always work out back then either.

    I'd use a machine... but I train at home.
     
  19. dfb547490

    dfb547490 New Member

    Feb 9, 2000
    The Heights
    Another great workout today, really felt it:

    Situps - 4X70
    Pushups - Pyramid workout to 25 (5, 10, 15, 20, 25, 20, 15, 10, 5)
    One-arm Rows - 2X12X45
    Incline Dumbbell Press - 1X12X60, 1X12X70
    Dumbbell Pullovers - 1X12X35, 1X12X40
    Incline Dumbbell Flys - 2X12X50
    Dumbbell Curls - 2X12X60
    Triceps Extensions - 2X12X40
    Concentration Curls - 1X12X25, 1X8X25 (ran out of juice on the last set)
    Triceps Kickbacks - 2X12X25
    Lat Pulldowns - 2X12X120
    Wrist Curls - 2X12X30
    Run - 2.5 miles
     
  20. bungadiri

    bungadiri Super Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jan 25, 2002
    Acnestia
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm surprised to hear that something like this is hurting your back. Do you do anything that's designed specifically to strengthen those areas in your back that are hurting? Because maybe the problem is muscles getting torqued out of alignment because a strength imbalance or lack of stretching?
     
  21. bungadiri

    bungadiri Super Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jan 25, 2002
    Acnestia
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I did my heavy leg workout:

    squats:
    warmup 10 x 135 lbs
    first set 10 x 235
    second 8 x 315
    third 8 x 315
    fourth 8 x 275

    extensions 4 sets at 200 lbs
    curls 4 sets at 100 lbs
    straight leg deadlifts 3 sets at 135 lbs

    cable crunches 3 sets to exhaustion
     
  22. AFCA

    AFCA Member

    Jul 16, 2002
    X X X rated
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    Iran
    That might be possible.

    Except for deadlifting nothing. But I don't really know exactly how much that does for your back.

    ATM I don't really miss the abwork. Plans are basically to to a lot of compound stuff and grow. Then in september I want to get rid of the excess fat (I'm not fat, but surely a good 15-20% BF) and after that ab work will become more of a priority.
    I do hear from some people however that you need strong abs to perform certain excercises safely. Others say your abs are strong enough naturally for almost anything you can lift. Problem is they're all quite in the know. So the way I see it... as long as all goes well I think I'll manage till september. I'll be in a gym then anyway, so I might as well use the abmachines there.

    Besides, I hate ab work :D
     
  23. FearM9

    FearM9 New Member

    Jul 14, 2000
    On my bike
    Do you have tight hamstrings? That often leads to lower back problems.

    I am a FIRM believer in that having a strong core...back and abs...is very important especially if you are an active person.

    -------

    I had a light workout (but with heavier weights) last night. I first ran for about 45 minutes and then went into the gym and did:

    (all 2x12s)
    Bench press
    Lat pulldown
    Seated row
    Pullups
    Dips
    Barbell curls
    Tricep extensions on a machine

    5x20 crunches
    3x15 Supermans
     
  24. AFCA

    AFCA Member

    Jul 16, 2002
    X X X rated
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    Iran
    BINGO. I have very short hamstrings. They are one of the things that stood in the way of a glorious footballing career (sort of :D). The (I don't know the English word - sportfysioloog) told me to do stretch excercises. I was twelve back then and did it about 3 times :D C'mon, what 12 year-old is going to do ballerina excercises?

    I understand that strong abs and lower back are important for total strength. Maybe I'll start doing it again and build up very, very slowly. I can always try of course.
     
  25. dfb547490

    dfb547490 New Member

    Feb 9, 2000
    The Heights
    Well I've always been pretty good about stretching out which I got from taekwondo, but I still have lower back problems...weird thing is it usually feels a lot better right after I work out, it hurts like a bitch in the morning after I wake up and after I'm in the car for awhile. There's a chiropractor who works at my gym and has a free diagnostic service so I got an appointment to have it looked at next week.
     

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