Official Post Match: Fire @ KC (R)

Discussion in 'Sporting Kansas City' started by rt57, Apr 26, 2003.

  1. rt57

    rt57 Member

    Apr 10, 2002
    Memphis
    Club:
    DC United
    2-0 Wiz at the half. Wiz look good
     
  2. rt57

    rt57 Member

    Apr 10, 2002
    Memphis
    Club:
    DC United
    We bunker for the 2nd half and pay for it. That was ugly.

    Scoring Summary:
    KC -- Igor Simutenkov 1 (Jimmy Conrad 1, Preki 1) 25
    KC -- Jimmy Conrad 1 (Preki 1) 38
    CHI -- Orlando Perez 1 (unassisted) 53
    CHI -- Andy Williams 1 (Orlando Perez 1) 65
    CHI -- Damani Ralph 1 (Andy Williams 1) 70


    Chicago Fire -- Zach Thornton, Jim Curtin, Carlos Bocanegra, C.J. Brown, Orlando Perez, Evan Whitfield, Chris Armas, Logan Pause, DaMarcus Beasley, Rodrigo Faria (Damani Ralph 65), Andy Williams (Kelly Gray 87).

    Substitutes Not Used: Nate Jaqua, Justin Mapp, Henry Ring.

    TOTAL SHOTS: 12 (Orlando Perez 3, Andy Williams 3); SHOTS ON GOAL: 4 (4 tied with 1); FOULS: 21 (DaMarcus Beasley 4, Damani Ralph 4); OFFSIDES: 3 (3 tied with 1); CORNER KICKS: 2 (DaMarcus Beasley 2); SAVES: 3 (Zach Thornton 3)

    Kansas City Wizards -- Tony Meola, Jimmy Conrad, Nick Garcia, Jose Burciaga Jr., Chris Klein, Preki, Carey Talley, Diego Gutierrez (Dario Fabbro 71), Josh Wolff (Bo Oshoniyi 82), Eric Quill (Kerry Zavagnin 67), Igor Simutenkov (Chris Brown 62).

    Substitutes Not Used: Stephen Armstrong, Davy Arnaud, Chris Brunt, Taylor Graham, Jack Jewsbury.

    TOTAL SHOTS: 10 (3 tied with 2); SHOTS ON GOAL: 5 (Igor Simutenkov 2); FOULS: 12 (Diego Gutierrez 3, Carey Talley 3); OFFSIDES: 3 (Josh Wolff 2); CORNER KICKS: 2 (Preki 2); SAVES: 1 (Tony Meola 1)
     
  3. dsedmon

    dsedmon New Member

    Oct 23, 2000
    Topeka, KS
    Well that was weird. Sweet goal by Perez. Just the other day I was thinking about when Meola was playing forward in that All-Star game, hmmm. Igor Rules, hope Wolff's injury isn't as bad as it could be. I think maybe Z should have been put in sooner, just a thought. Well this was a mess. I'm out.
     
  4. kopiteinkc

    kopiteinkc Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jun 1, 2000
    Shawnee
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    We didn't bunker we just got outplayed in the second half and lost badly.
     
  5. Beech

    Beech Member

    Jul 26, 2001
    Kansas City
    Club:
    Kansas City Wizards
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Had to miss this one in person tonight and on TV. (moving) After reading the Fire boards sounds like fvcking Bunker Bob did his tactical brilliance again. Thanks Bob for screwing up what should've been a home win against what should be an inferior dismantled team. I will cancel my season tickets next year if this bunker and over-time tieing team shows up again this year. We should be 0-1-2 now. We've been gifted goals and I do believe the defensive situation can now be fully declared a sieve situation. I will wait till I watch the tape before venting any further at this time...

    Whiskey. Tango. Foxtrot...
     
  6. McGinty

    McGinty Member

    SKC/STL
    Aug 29, 2001
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    If you'd seen the game, you'd wish that we did bunker. Igor was taken off since he picked up a couple knocks earlier in the game and was replaced by Brown. They were going to bring on Zavagnin for Quill (playing in the middle strangely enough) before the 2nd goal. He came on anyway since Quill wasn't totally with it and KZ played fairly well. Fabbro then came on for Gutierrez. No Brunt for a forward substitutions or anything like it.

    The real culprit is Klein missing one on one with Thornton early in the 2nd with a 2-0 lead, but a poor touch and poor shot kept Chicago in it. Thats when they made the comeback. Klein didn't do much all game now that I think of it.

    Perez's goal was a nice run through the defense with a GREAT shot from distance. Andy Williams just slipped past Garcia and scored from about 20 yards out. Ralph's goal was similar. All three (with the possible exception of Perez) occurred with only the 3 defenders behind the ball. Wolff was back defending on a couple of occasions, but he was only tracking back because Preki just took Wolff's spot up top.
     
  7. Fanaddict

    Fanaddict Member+

    Mar 9, 2000
    streamwood IL USA
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    As a fire fan my advice is get used to Wolff being off the field hurt.
     
  8. Turk from Pigs Eye

    Turk from Pigs Eye New Member

    Jun 14, 2002
    Pigs Eye (St. Paul),
    Any word on Gomez? I think they missed him in the middle.
     
  9. kopiteinkc

    kopiteinkc Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jun 1, 2000
    Shawnee
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Andy

    We didn't bunker. We really didn't. The frst one was unstoppable. Probably one of the goals of the season.

    The second and third after beating our defensive midfield player thier players were wide open to shoot. Our back three were too deep on both of those and didn't step into block the shot.

    Tony should have got the third IMO, he was slow to react. The replay did show his view partially blocked by Garcia, but still he slow to get down.

    Tony did make a point blank save earlier and we were outplayed and out hustled in the second half.

    Klein was invisible and his miss summed up his poor showing.

    Igor looked dangerous but then got injured.

    Highlight of a disappointing evening was Beasley falling over taking a corner in front of the cauldron as we yelled "Dive, dive, dive". Not much consolation there though.
     
  10. BigLarr

    BigLarr Member

    Jan 2, 2001
    Overland Park, KS
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Was Meola our only real option up at forward to replace Wolff?
     
  11. LSNsoccer362238

    LSNsoccer362238 New Member

    Dec 6, 2001
    Lee's Summit, MO
    I was pretty confused as to what that was about. I dont think we had any forwards left on the bench to put in, and Meola was a forward in HS, maybe thats why. Or maybe Tony just REALLY wanted to win. Either way- kind of interesting.

    Beech- You didn't see the game so why your being so pessimistic, I dont know. I don't really think Bob bunkered, considering he pulled Diego (more of a defensive player) for Fabbro, a forward. And who cares what we SHOULD be right now- because were not 0-1-2. I think you should be happy for that.
     
  12. kopiteinkc

    kopiteinkc Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jun 1, 2000
    Shawnee
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    We had used up our three outfield subs. Wolff was injured, the only way to keep 11 players on was to bring in Bo and put Tony up front.

    I was a little worried he might blow his knee or something.
     
  13. PezJunkie

    PezJunkie Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Independence, MO
    Club:
    Kansas City Wizards
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    In theory it works like this - since we only have our GK sub left, we switch Tony & Josh on the field. Now that Josh is the keeper, he can be subbed out for Bo.

    In practice, the refs just let us do it w/o the all the details & the overall effect is the same. It's kind of cheesy, but it happens.
     
  14. McGinty

    McGinty Member

    SKC/STL
    Aug 29, 2001
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Some quotes from the article in the Star

    Meola: With a lead, I don't know why were in one-on-one situations. We will have to look at tape and see what happened.

    Gansler: At halftime, we didn't talk about sitting back. We wanted to come out and be aggressive like the first half.

    Preki: When you are up 2-0, you've got to score a third goal and put the game away. If you don't score, you've got to keep possessing the ball like we did in the first half. In the second half, we kept giving the ball away.
     
  15. Spoon

    Spoon Member

    Feb 25, 1999
    Overland Park Ks
    Club:
    Kansas City Wizards
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That was crap! We did not bunker, I repeat we did not bunker. IMO Tony should have stopped the last two goals. Especially the 3rd which was by far the easiest one to save too bad he was caught cheating to the right post.
     
  16. MtMike

    MtMike Member+

    Nov 18, 1999
    the 417
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    We need McKeon back. Maybe he would have got a red, but he would have killed Perez and Williams before they got off those long shots.

    In all seriousness, you can't really blame Meola for any of the goals, especially the first. Seemed like our back three played well. It was the D-mid hole in front of them that killed us. Maybe we missed Gomez more than we realize. Perhaps it should be Z-man instead of Talley.
     
  17. Dennis P. Crawford

    Dec 5, 2001
    Fire v. K.C.

    In my opinion, Meola didn't have a chance to stop the first two goals - the K.C. defense just gave the Fire too much space. Meola should've stopped the third goal - he looked out of position.

    Overall, another inconsistent effort from the Wizards. Usually, they play great one week and then play poorly the very next week. This time. we had a great first half followed by a dismal second half. The Wizards just seemed to lose their intensity after Klein missed that shot early in the Second half.
     
  18. jmeissen0

    jmeissen0 New Member

    Mar 31, 2001
    page 1078
    that was a great game

    you guys did well on two set pieces and we had 2 great goals and third that caught tony blind


    i'll chime in and say that you guys didn't bunker as well... it was fairly attractive soccer... with each team stringing passes together and staying spread

    perez just unloaded on his goal... completely sick... i don't which was better... his or twellman's... they're each incredible

    but i think a key to the game was pause making an adjustment on preki, us limiting set pieces in our defensive third, and no one on the fire ever pressed the game... we stayed calm and under control despite a two goal deficite



    easily the best soccer i've seen in the games i've seen so far this year (both teams played well compared to only the crew last week)
     
  19. willthewizard

    willthewizard New Member

    Apr 22, 2001
    sw mo
    I know I haven't posted forever, but this is what I thought---

    Klein has been my favorite player on the team since he has been here, This was the worst I have seen him play--missed goal that would have ended the game, bad touches, bad passes

    Meola could have got the third one, the first goal by Perez was sick

    Is Quill the best option? Is he better than Armstrong

    I like Conrad,

    Did anyone else notice the scuffle between Jose B. and the fire bench after the game????

    anyway, a long three hour drive after the game

    Paul
     
  20. wadejackson1

    wadejackson1 Member

    Mar 11, 2001
    Klein has perhaps the WORST match of his professional career!!! If he gave the ball directly to the other team once... he gifted it to them 6 times!!! Then wasted shot that he launched to the moon. Geez! Pleeze.

    That was no slip on Williams' part. Garcia SLIPPED UP big time. Lay that game tieing goal squarly on Nickie's shoulders! Ugly.
     
  21. AndyMead

    AndyMead Homo Sapien

    Nov 2, 1999
    Seat 12A
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    And what the hell were we thinking at the very end? Time running out, only one or two chances left - Chicago is called offsides, and we try to take the restart five yards into the offensive half?

    The ref rightfully blew the play dead, and it still took him 10 seconds to explain that the ball needed to be on the other side of midfield. We wasted 30-45 seconds trying to start the ball - with no defensive pressure - in a visibly illogical position.

    Just stupid stuff like that. Mindboggling.

    Talk about an embarrasing collapse. Yuck.
     
  22. KCSoccerSpot

    KCSoccerSpot New Member

    Mar 30, 2002
    Harrisonville, MO
    Missed this one in person but watched the goals on the MLS web site. My girls had a tourney down in Springfield this weekend.

    I haven't heard anyone mention this web site feature yet but I love it. They have videos of every goal scored so far and plan to continue for the entire MLS season. Check it out. This may stink with dial up but it's seamless with DSL.

    http://www.mlsnet.com/multimedia/pepsi/index.php

    Way too soft in the middle D. All three came with pace (read "smokin") from distance with poor reaction from Tony. He was positioned well but seemed lost at the point of the shot. This goes back to our seive analogy. Not necessarily all Tony's fault but when he has a bad half, it is a really bad half for the team.
     
  23. jmeissen0

    jmeissen0 New Member

    Mar 31, 2001
    page 1078
    just to add to the pepsi goal of the week voting, there is voting for the goal of the week on fsw's site as well... they have 4 goals up that you can vote on

    there's a whole section for mls on fsw (click on the mls ball next to the pic of magee)
     
  24. Emiliano240

    Emiliano240 New Member

    Feb 28, 2000
    Central Illinois
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    question

    I’m really confused on what the hell happened this game honestly….plz don’t take me wrong.

    What I saw was a first half where kc dominated the midfield and most possession. They scored two well-deserved goals via dismantling the fire defense, which is the strongest part of the team.

    But the 2nd half, I’m torn on what occurred… the first two goals were quality, the 3rd hate to say but I blame meola (who I really respect too)…

    To what is credited the lack of a possession game during the majority of the 2nd half? Can we really credit bringing on Ralph on for Faria? Or can we really credit bringing on Brown for Simutenkov, or not substituting Meola and/or Quill? What collapses on the KC side? Or was it a Burst on the Chicago side?

    I mean I’m a fire fan, but I never predicted this kind of offense from out team… Ralph, Williams, and Perez I never would have imagined being our 3 goal scores… what is your take, did our offense get lucky? [Did they] Show that they are better than expected? Did KC’s defense screw up? … I’m curious on your take, and also on neutral takes….

    Thanx,
    emil
     
  25. Unorthodox Yank

    Feb 27, 2001
    Constant Flux
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    to me, watching it on tape, it seemed like thetea mwas just playing uninspired in the second half. they got too complacent with their lead, and decided that...ok...they may not bunker down, but theyll just play it out and see waht happens.

    I DUNNO..ITS LATE AND IM NOT REALLY COHERENT AT ALL NOW, seeing as the fact that iwas typing all in caps there completley bypassed my attention, but thats just what i saw.
     

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