http://www.latimes.com/sports/socce...895470.column?coll=la-headlines-sports-soccer Note: Requires registration Money quote (made while speaking at a dinner celebrating the opening of the new Home Depot Center in Los Angeles) In other words, you build it, the rest of us should get to use it - for free, preferably. What an idiot.
"Of course, Don Corleone can always present a bill for his services. After all, we are not communists." -- Don Barzini in THE GODFATHER
Re: Jack Warner's at it again... Hey, At least the US has been favored by Jack Ass & Chuck in the past.
that quote makes no sense! "To me, this dream of yours will only be a dream for America if you don't find the way to make this facility affordable for other users in CONCACAF and the FIFA family," he said. "There is no sense in you being at this level and the others at that level. Because what happens is that the others try to bring you down to their level. What you have to do is bring them up to yours." obviously the point is "improve concacaf soccer please". but what a pathetic way to work it into a paragraph. you should make this facility afforadable? for WHAT?? Suriname vs. Martinique? Joe Public vs. Deportivo Arabe Unido? he could have just smiled alot and said "vote warner" and looked like less of a tool.
CONCACAF is a racket for funneling money to the football associations of the Carribbean and Central American nations. That said, they've been good to us over the years.
Wait, this was a speech? Given at the banquet for the opening of HDC? Was the guy drunk or something? I wonder how the crowd reacted to this speech of his.
Just being curious. Do you think Jack Warner has been good or bad for the Conference.. overall I mean? I can see how a 1 million project in Costa Rica, Honduras, Salvador and Guatemala make sense since futbol is the major sport there and they are all 3rd world countries which couldnt afford such facilities. On the other hand these same investments in the Carribean where soccer is the 2nd or 3rd place? Not justified. BUt this is great in futbol terms. T&T hosted a youth WC, Guatemala hosted a futsal WC and all of these goal projects are now being put into action. OK we all know how TT has had it easier sometimes but his overall impact in the Conference has been positive, specially among those poor countries which need more help. I am not saying he is a good or bad person, or if the investments are justified or not... but what I am saying is that what he has done is helping raise the level of play in the conferece, helping the ones who need the most.
Also Canada hosted the U-19 WWC, and the US has got two WWCs. There isn't a single aspect of CONCACAF that hasn't improved under Warner. Shady? yes. Incompetent? no.
And Mussolini made the trains run on time. Calling Warner "shady" is like calling Sepp Blatter "money oriented" The guy's a crook, plain and simple. If he wants to use our National Training center, be sure to count the bricks when he's done.
Ah, but he's our crook. The alternative is having someone else's crook in charge--that didn't work out too well for the first 30 years of CONCACAF.
Well put JG. In terms of soccer he has done lots of good for the conference and thats all I can care about.
Warner, Rothenberg, Blatter & Blazer are the biggest crooks in all of sports! They hold the sport for ransom while they take millions upon millions illegaly. The only reason CONCACAF exists is so Haovalange, Blatter and the ilk control FIFA and they in turn let Blazer, Warner & Rothenberg exploit this part of the world for their own wickedly selfish and greedy purposes. Damn, CONCACAF as an organization shouldn't even exist. The best thing for futbol in the Americas is if they merge the confederations.
He just managed to get four teams invited to the Panamerican Games to be held in Republica Dominicana. The tournament was for 8, well now there are 4 more teams invited. T&T, Jamainca, El Salvador and Costa Rica all from Concacaf! Say what you want about him, he is helping the Conference.
He got 4 teams invited really? Wow. Trinidad & Tobago is one of those 4. Wow, surprising. He will make himself personally responsible for those teams and profit personally (oops his nephew/son/family friend) from their going to the tournament, have someone else pay the bills and charge ridiculous sums. (see FIFA U-17 tournament in T&T for further explanation) - teams had to use one of Warner's many new companies to get there, charging them an arm and a leg and making them go long and expensive routes - FIFA built a building to use as tournament HQ, his son/nephew owned it and than charged FIFA rent on top of that - there are MANY MANY more stories
Could you elaborate? I'm not challenging you, I'm just curious. CONCACAF scandals don't get much ink up here in Seattle. I've heard the allegations that he's a crook before, but never anything specific. I'd love to hear more.
As far as I know he has never been convicted of anything. Its only talk, I believe he has never even been to trial for anything but there are rumors. People like this guy are not only running Concacaf but pretty much each and very big time money organization. He is not particularly bad, just one more, who just happnes to run our Conference, in a pretty good manner by the way. I just wished Mother Theresa was alive, she would such a great job running Concacaf!
that was classic warner. making Australia fly the other way using one of his family travel agencies. or how about using one of his catering services. or how about these training modules that cost a million dollars but that were never seen on the balance sheets and when questioned, did not give the exec time to talk in a meeting he is a crook. and has not done shyt for the confederation!! he has only lined up the pockets of the poor federation execs. nothing more. im sorry but any welfare program that is aimed at the expense a few individuals or federations is not the way to go about it. For example, asking the FMF to start programs in central america and the carribean.. and im thinking... didnt FIFA funnel 5 million dollars in 2001 for that???? really, what has he done??? changed the name to the TFC? Change a national team competition to the Gold Cup when it use to be called the NAFC. thats just a freaking name... WOWWW But i am not surprised how our confederation is operated. What do you expect when you have a bunch of execs that come from these minnow countries that dont even have semi professional leagues.. wheres the experience?? this all refelcts on the competitions, officiating, etc.. if they cant even run a federation what makes you think they can run 30+ federations???
Wow there are really more stories than Ican count about the Warner/Blazer/Blatter/Hammam/Rothenberg gang from all the years, let's stick with Warner for now: 1. He has a wharehouse in T&T with all of his gifts from futbol leaders/organizations/corporations over the years. 2. FROM LAST YEAR: FIFA president Sepp Blatter's most loyal lieutenant was facing further embarrassment last night over his attempts to ban a rival candidate from standing for his own top job. Trinidad's Jack Warner, president of the CONCACAF region covering North and Central America and the Caribbean, has ruled that Mexico's Edgardo Codesal is not eligible to stand for the post at elections in Miami on April 20. Warner declared that Codesal, the referee at the 1990 World Cup Final between Argentina and West Germany, was not qualified because he was a paid official of CONCACAF - even though the Trinidadian is himself contracted by the organisation. 3. Mexico doesnt have too many friends in the confederation. Warner has turned all the little poor federations against them. But the SAD thing is that, Warner is exploiting them and the little poor federations are too stupid to realise that they are just being prostituted. He is not helping them out. All those FIFA and CONCACAF grants that have gone to the carribean and Central America, where are the results? FIFA gave millions to a couple Carribean islands 2 years ago? I dont see any improvement. I dont see better fields. I dont see better stadiums. Tee only new stadiums happen to be in Trinidad and Tobago, Home of Jack Warner... How ironic is that? 4. Codesal had talked to Zen Ruffinen (before Blatter fired him) and told him that he had some papers to show him... and for the first time, documents are missing from the archives. Supposedly they cant find Warner's documents from 1989-1990, the year he was campaigning for presidency of CONCACAF. Zen Ruffinen said that was the 1st time documents had been missing from the archives and they cant be found. 5. The Mexican also posed questions about CONCACAF's accounts. He said: 'According to CONCACAF, they have spent £800,000 on computer software in the last year, and £1.4million on coaching courses. 'Nobody here can remember any of those courses. 6. Blatter in 1999 wrote off $9.75 million due to FIFA from CONCACAF, the North and Central American and Caribbean governing body, without any real reason. In 2000, according to Zen-Ruffinen, Blatter ignored procedures in authorizing $1 million for CONCACAF under a program called GOAL, which promotes soccer projects in developing countries. 7. Jack Warner received the TV rights for the 1990, 1994 and 1998 World Cups for $1, and said last year's FIFA Under-17 Championship, played in Warner's native Trinidad and Tobago, cost $8.21 million instead of the budgeted $4.5 million. 8. Blatter owns (bought from futbol $) construction firms in T&T and gives himself the contracts to do the GOAL projects FIFA gives to Caribbean nations. You don't even want to go into what he did with the FIFA U-17 World Championship in T&T do you? Read some fun stuff on how he got rich from CONCACAF & FIFA: http://www.nalis.gov.tt/Biography/bio_JackWarner_FIFAvp.htm The problem remains there is no one who checks CONCACAF or FIFA. So if they remain to have these crooks running the game, they will continue to rape the game for mega-millions as they have been. Here is some more info from someone last year: Warner owns a team in Trinidad and Tobago called Joe Public I believe. That is how he got involved in the game. There are several other threads on this site that have other articles about this situation. I think one of them is called Blatter puts his foot in it again. Lots of links to other articles on this whole mess. I agree with Matt that this is probably for the best. FIFA has been managed by crooks ever since Havelange. Blatter was his hand picked choice to succeed him. These guys have run FIFA like a personal fiefdom to benefit themselves and their cronies. Look at their associates. Havelange's son-in-law is Taxeria (sp?) head of Brazilian soccer. He looks to be indited for fraud, tax evasion and numerous other transgressions. Blatter's campaign is being funded this year by a guy that has financial ties to al Queda. His campaign in 1998 was funded by a man equally shady who is now head of the Asian football confederation. Warner is equally corrupt. He has been accused of suspending a club license for a team in trinidad. The team was owned by a man that had filed suit against him for failure to pay a bill. He has "misplaced" about $3.3 million of FIFA funds that were suppose to have been spent on coaching seminars and software. He has awarded himself contracts for FIFA money through their Goal Program and he received TV rights to WC Broadcasts for $1. He could then resale them throughout the Carib. for huge profits. You know the bigger disgrace is that Warner's henchman is an American names Chuck Blazer. You see people on these boards complain about how CONCACAF is a two bit operation yada, yada, yada. But you know what, the AMerican soccer establishment has helped to make it that way. I have been involved in this game in this country for 37 years now and there has been one consistent theme throughout that time and that is the incompentence and mismanagement of the game by the people in charge. The game is too tied to money and too many people have too much to lose to change the way things are currently being run. That is why Blatter and his cronies are fighting so hard. For them this corruption is their way of life. Here was a classic: from the http://www.sportingnews.com/soccer FIFA to look into alleged conflict of interest surrounding FIFA vice president Jack Warner September 30, 2001 PORT-OF-SPAIN, Trinidad -- FIFA President Sepp Blatter said he would look into allegations of a conflict of interest surrounding FIFA Vice President Jack Warner's acquisition of lucrative television rights to FIFA tournaments. "I don't like rumors," Blatter said late Saturday afternoon. "I will identify exactly what was happened and I will inform (the media)." Blatter is in Trinidad to watch Sunday's under-17 World Championship final between France and Nigeria. Warner, a Trinidadian who is also CONCACAF president, organized the competition. Warner holds the television rights to the under-17 tournament and the 2002 World Cup finals within the Caribbean. He has said he's been negotiating with regional broadcasters individually to sell them rights to broadcast the two events. The British Virgin Islands-based Caribbean Sports Television Network held those rights until they were stripped away earlier this year, according to Selby Browne, the Trinidadian who heads the CSTN network. Browne said he paid $2.5 million in 1999 to German media giant KirchMedia for the Caribbean television rights to the two tournaments. Kirch controls broadcast rights to many FIFA events. Browne has threatened to sue FIFA, saying he received no notification that he would lose the rights. Warner has said he bought the rights after they were taken away from CSTN because the company failed to meet the terms of its contract. Browne denies he failed to meet any contract obligations, though he acknowledged there was some wrangling over the specific conditions. At Saturday's press conference, Warner denied there was any conflict of interest. He declined to detail the terms under which he acquired the television rights, but denied that he was profiteering. Warner also said he held the Caribbean television rights to FIFA tournaments from 1986 to 1998 and invested profits into Caribbean soccer. "The money that is made from the rights, the money was put back into football, for football," Warner said. "It wasn't for business." Warner also declined to answer questions from reporters on whether his family had won catering and security contracts for the under-17 tournament, which began Sept. 13 and is the biggest sporting event ever to be held in Trinidad. Blatter said he could not immediately answer questions surrounding Warner's involvement in the television, catering and security contracts, but said he would investigate. "The FIFA president was not in charge in the organization of this under-17," Blatter said. "(But) I will go back and inform you. ... Because I'm going to work for transparency."
Go to the CONCACAF Headquarters and see for yourself. It is located in Trump Towers in Manhattan and is a 1/2 floor office. Totally wasteful/wasted to try and show they are something, do anything, or care for futbol. There is one person working there consistently, the girl that answers the phones from Trinidad. It is lined with offices/desks that aren't being used and the place is a ghost town. Every time I've been there I've heard Warner's bird (Macau) screaming. It's so professional (sigh). Go and take a visit, you'll see exactly how CONCACAF is run, or not run. Warner is just a crook and he will not leave until he dies like Blatter, Texeira & Havelange (almost). They think they are the Futbol Mafia. Havelange even was quoted recently as saying he can't wait until his grandson is grown so he can become the FIFA President one day. These people are for real too, Blatter was his heir and kept the "money in the family". Warner is just a good "earner" for all of them and keeps the family voted in more easily. Hamman will do the same thing now for Asia. At least though he is overseeing it's growth. The only thing CONCACAF can do is be destroyed and fused into CONMEBOL and have one true American confederation. Without Austin "Jack" Warner anywhere near the game stealing the money and usurping the power.
AHHH yes.. there are too many incidents to remember.. Jack aint helping the smaller federations, he is just exploiting them. HE is ganging up on the federations that can actually get the job done. many people feel that under the Mexican and Guatemalan control of CONCACAF nothing was done. well you have to look at the political and social unrest of the 1960s-1980s. El Salvador had a bloody civil war. Nicaragua also had its problems. Most of central america had some sort of social unrest. The caribean countries were stricken with famine (and many countries still are til this day). SOmethings are more important than soccer. The pre CONCACAF body couldnt control a countries political and social makeup. I could understand having all the WCQ and confederational tournaments in the US or Mexico at the time since they were safer.. but there aint no need for that NOW. The previous presidents and executive bodies had to worry about those political issues. what futbol571 said about Warner just prostituting the smaller feds is what VS, Evil rick, and myslef have been saying for a long time on these boards.
The NAFC was a three-team friendly tournament (USA, Mexico, Canada) that was played twice. The last actual CONCACAF championship prior to the Gold Cup was played in 1971.
http://www.fifa.com/en/display/article,52277.html http://www.footballconfederation.com/news/article.page/1106 http://stats.soccerconfederation.co...03748:48302+notes/one-redesign+E+04/04/2001+6 These things are noted almost every week in the CONCACAF Signals newsletter...apparently nobody here can use internet either. No, Joe Public wasn't founded until 1996 when he had already been the head of CONCACAF for a while. I would agree that running a club and being head of the confederation at the same time is a bad conflict of interest. There are several other threads on this site that have other articles about this situation. I think one of them is called Blatter puts his foot in it again. Lots of links to other articles on this whole mess. I dunno about that, Blazer was part of the old soccer establishment that was booted when Rothenberg took over. I don't think he really has any connections to the current USSF regime.
In 1974 they had the WC qualifying tournament in Haiti and in 1982 they held it in Honduras. Not exactly models of social and political stability there. They sold the WCQ (and in the case of Haiti, the WC berth) to the highest bidder. Keep that in mind when you criticize the current leadership for trying to make a few extra bucks by playing the Gold Cup in the US...