Official Fire Jurgen Klinsmann Thread

Discussion in 'USA Men' started by ussoccer97531, May 22, 2014.

  1. russ

    russ Member+

    Feb 26, 1999
    Canton,NY
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That's the spirit!
     
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  2. Hararea

    Hararea Member+

    Jan 21, 2005
    Boehly wanted Poch to stay at Chelsea. Poch was fed up with the chaos.

    And you ducked my question: why do you think Poch advanced from Espanyol to Southampton to Spurs to PSG?
     
  3. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

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    Nr Kingston NY
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    United States
    Because he promoted academy players to the first team with initial success.

    His challenges appear to be communication, internal politics and keeping older players happy.
     
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  4. Eliezar

    Eliezar Member+

    Jan 27, 2002
    Houston
    Club:
    12 de Octubre
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Actually I’m saying that Pekerman’s worst performance was worse than anything most US coaches have done. And we are talking him not the team.

    It’s also reasonable to say that many us coaches had better best performances than he has.

    But national team coaches in general are more about spirit, lineups, and in game decisions than development and tactics. Pekerman likely is much better at development than any is coach before Poch.
     
  5. Hararea

    Hararea Member+

    Jan 21, 2005

    Longest-Serving Spurs Managers, Past 40 Years

    1. Pochettino, 293 games
    2. Redknapp, 198 games (nearly 100 games behind)
    3. Venables, 162 games
    4. Jol, 147 games
    5. G.Francis, 136 games
    Points Per Match of Spurs Managers, min. 100 games
    1. Pochettino, 1.84 ppm
    2. Redknapp 1.73
    3. Shreeves 1.70
    4. Nicholson 1.69
    5. Jol 1.62
    To state the obvious, this is more than just initial success.
     
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  6. An Unpaved Road

    An Unpaved Road Member+

    Mar 22, 2006
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    I like the Pochettino hire but I don’t think it happens unless his club career had hit a slight downturn. If he’s miles above a Berhalter or Bradley then I look forward to the results. Both regional trophies available in 2025 delivered in convincing fashion will be a good start.
     
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  7. schrutebuck

    schrutebuck Member+

    Jul 26, 2007
    Where was Pochettino supposed to go? With the way the club managerial merry-go-round is twisting right now, it seems natural for managers like Nagelsmann, Pochettino, and Tuchel to head towards the international game.

    Why in the world would US fans be acting as if Pochettino was a flim-flam dipshit like Jurgen Klinsmann?
     
  8. TheHoustonHoyaFan

    Oct 14, 2011
    Houston
    Club:
    FC Schalke 04
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well that helps explain Berhalter choosing Trapp over Adams, Lovitz over Jedi, Lletget over Musah, Roldan over almost anyone, ...
     
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  9. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
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    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Very misleading.
     
  10. Elninho

    Elninho Member+

    Sacramento Republic FC
    United States
    Oct 30, 2000
    Sacramento, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Adams was injured for most of Berhalter's first year and a half. He played 90 in Berhalter's first FIFA-date match, and the next international window for which he was available was November 2020. Jedi had not impressed in his early caps and only had his breakout club season in 2019-20. Musah was still playing for England youth national teams until late 2020, and also only made his professional first team debut in fall 2020.
     
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  11. TheHoustonHoyaFan

    Oct 14, 2011
    Houston
    Club:
    FC Schalke 04
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Your Trumpian attempt at revisionism is laughable.

    Berhalter selected Trapp at the #6 over Adams who he moved to RB. He explained that he need a controlling midfielder and Adams was not a controlling midfielder. Adams was listed as a RB on the GC squad before he was injured.

    In the 2021 runup to the NL v SUI Berhalter selected Lletget over Musah claiming that Lletget had goals and assists in him. Mushah did not feature in the 2 NL matches while Lletget started and subbed on in both.

    Jedi had an assist in his first ever USMNT cap for Sarachan in 2018 and was the bright LB future before GB came on board. Gregg inexplicably chose Lovitz over jedi and gave Lovitz 13 caps in 2019, Jedi got 1. Jedi was a starter for Bolton (2017), Wigan (2018, 2019)

    We have not even mentioned Yueill over Acosta or Lima over Cannon.

    This was all discussed in the Greg Berhalter coaching thread in real rime so your attempt at pretending it did not happen is foolish.
     
  12. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

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    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Jedi was shite in his early spell at the nats. You can't select one player over another because he might be a good player in two year's time. Lovitz was tried, made 6 starts and was discarded. If Jedi hadn't worked out we'd still be experimenting.
     
  13. An Unpaved Road

    An Unpaved Road Member+

    Mar 22, 2006
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    Trapp and Lovitz in the Fire Klinsmann thread in 2024. This is why I love Bigsoccer.
     
  14. BMWDeuce

    BMWDeuce Member

    AC Milan
    United States
    Aug 15, 2024
    Only thing I will say is that Jedi was awful in the 2 friendlies before the Gold Cup. Now whether Lovitz should have been called up to me is separate from the argument of Jedi being snubbed in 2019.

    The other stuff? Very fair.
     
  15. TheHoustonHoyaFan

    Oct 14, 2011
    Houston
    Club:
    FC Schalke 04
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #7240 TheHoustonHoyaFan, Oct 28, 2024
    Last edited: Oct 28, 2024
    I'm sure there is a universe where Jed1 "was awful in the 2 friendlies before the Gold Cup". The problem is that in this universe Jedi only played for the USMNT once in 2019, the L0-1 v Jamaica. Please tell us via your metaverse quantum tunnel how he looked in his 2nd match. Now was Jedi awful, well look at the MLSSoccer player ratings; Jedi 5, Miazga 5, Roldan 5, Arriola 5, Trapp 3.5, Djordje 4,

    https://www.mlssoccer.com/news/usmnt-player-ratings-holmes-gonzalez-stand-out-jamaica-loss

    Obviously Jedi and Lovitz were competing for the LB spot, at least in this universe. How did Lovitz look in his 13 appearances in 2019?
     
  16. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He looked OK, whereas Jedi looked like a youth player on loan to a third division club.

    Jedi's post COVID performances were on a different level.
     
  17. TheHoustonHoyaFan

    Oct 14, 2011
    Houston
    Club:
    FC Schalke 04
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well BigSoccer mod did shutdown the Fire Berhalter Thread. I wonder why?
     
  18. An Unpaved Road

    An Unpaved Road Member+

    Mar 22, 2006
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    Because of personal attacks. Also it was pretty redundant given the “Twitter Hates Berhalter” thread, which is still open but hasn’t seem much activity since bsky’s final meltdown.
     
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  19. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    As I remember Jedi missed several full international games in 2019 was he was with the U23 squad.
     
  20. TheHoustonHoyaFan

    Oct 14, 2011
    Houston
    Club:
    FC Schalke 04
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Please, this thread is full of personal attacks.

    This thread was created by a poster who was butt-hurt because the Donovan was cut from the world cup squad. 10 years later it continues to exist so LD fanboys can congregate and jerk each other off and call Klinsmann names.

    In true Animal Farm fashion the mod closed the Fire Berhalter thread because I guess criticizing GB hurts but criticizing Klinsmann is fair game. :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
     
  21. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It's good to see a few American fans having the confidence to disagree with the vast majority of Germany, Bayern, Hertha and Korean fans.
     
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  22. An Unpaved Road

    An Unpaved Road Member+

    Mar 22, 2006
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    lol okay. Like I said the Twitter Hates Berhalter thread is still open, pretty sure the mods will let you criticize him all you want there.
     
  23. An Unpaved Road

    An Unpaved Road Member+

    Mar 22, 2006
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    Must be a lot of Donovan fanboys among those fans!
     
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  24. Hararea

    Hararea Member+

    Jan 21, 2005
    A dose of reality for anyone who might be tempted by the "third division" kool-aid:

    2017 -- 20-yo Antonee Robinson establishes himself as one of the youngest starters in the Championship
    2019 - By this point, 22-yo Robinson is an experienced Championship starter, not a third-division youth player
    2020 - 23-yo Robinson joins Fulham and quickly becomes a starter in the Prem.
    2021 - In spite of having established himself in the big-time, 24-yo Robinson doesn't start either the Nations League Final or our World Cup qualifying opener

    It's hard to fathom how Berhalter and his staff were so slow on the uptake.
     
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  25. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

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    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Aware that he was playing in the Championship, for terrible teams.

    It's hard to fathom how selective people's memory is of just how poor he was in 2019, or that he missed the end of the 2020/21 season with an ankle injury and the reason GB pulled him in the semi may be because he wasn't 100%.

    Or maybe Pochettino should pick players who are bad today because they might be good in two years time. After all Glenn Hoddle used a clairvoyant "Mystic Meg* to help him pick the England team.
     
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