Klinsmann talking about how hard it was to cut little LD and Charlie and Clint actually explaining why it wasn't a bad decision. "The conversation I had with Landon [Donovan] when we were preparing for Brazil 2014 World Cup... You sit across from each other and cry." @J_Klinsmann tells the story of having to tell former USMNT captain Landon Donovan he was not making the 2014 WC squad 👀 pic.twitter.com/xohlfNy2ce— CBS Sports Golazo ⚽️ (@CBSSportsGolazo) October 2, 2024
Jurgen Klinsmann continues to be the softest personality in the history of the US national team. Dull interview. 10 years later, and there is still little but platitudes sprouting out from him.
I didn't hear Clint explain why it wasn't a bad decision in that clip. He may or may not have agreed with the decision...I have no idea, but he didn't say it there. He said it was manager's choice and that is that. Charlie said that there were several players that expressed shock but that they were happy to be on the team and felt that they were able to "galvanize" themselves and go forward. You have to really try hard to interpret those as any kind of comments for or against.
I took Clint's response as agreeing with Davies. If you want to exclude him that is fine with me. The team was clearly unified in Brazil and LD would have been a threat to that. It was never about who replaced him but we will have stans bashing the end of that bench soon. I bet JK would have rather just taken 22 than including LD.
Softer than the guy who made the team hold hands in a circle and juggle down field and do cross word puzzles? Soft isnt a word i would use to describe Klinsmann. It fits well for Berhalter, LD, and all the LD stans.
Sorry for the second post. I never really thought of JK as dull, but if course you free to do so. Relatively, I dont think it is close between JK and Garber's choice. One was a motivator and one clearly wasn't. And you know he has a petting zoo out back with some wild African Dogs... pic.twitter.com/DaoLmoQJGs— Grant Turberville (@Turberville) August 2, 2024
yes. Imo, that is pretty much what I think Clint said. There is a saying that goes something like "worry about the things you can control; the rest will either work their way out or they will kill you". Clint seems like the type that would follow that philosophy. That, however, is far from making a statement on the correctness of Klinsmann's decisions(s). Davies said pretty much the same thing but slightly different. He said several players were shocked (read into that what ever you want) but then he said that they got on with it. Again, not a comment on correctness. edit: it may or may not be relevant but that philosophy is also the same as that expressed in the aa prayer: “God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, courage to change the things I can, and wisdom to know the difference”
You seem to have missed the part where Davies said.... "... it galvanized the group..." I hate when a coach makes a decision before big games that "shake the team up" (Dempsey) and those that "galvanize the group". Nah, JK did what he thought was right for the team and it worked.
If you watch the full episode Dempsey definitely says he thinks Landon would have helped them at the World Cup but he respected the coaches decision. Klinsmann also says earlier the sabbatical was why he cut him because he hadn’t been with the group for that period and it wasn’t fair to the guys who were. Which would make sense if he didn’t cut players like Goodson for players like John Brooks and Julian Green who had spent barely time with the team.
I have been on it before. I don't follow closely, but like a train wreck, I sometimes can't look away. Not sure why you think that it was been my first time... Was it something I said?
Actually, I didn't miss that. he said something along the lines of "I was selected, I am among the chosen few and it galvanized the group". In other words, being selected was the galvanizing factor...not the fact that Donovan was omitted. They may have been shocked by the omission but they realized they had a job to do and did it. Clint said basically the same thing; he didn't make a comment on whether or not it was a good or bad decision... Only that it was the coach's prerogative and focused on what was ahead.
Thank you for the added context. I didn't watch the full episode and don't plan to. A comment like "Donovan would have helped at the wc wouldn't be worth too much from a lot of players but If Dempsey went so far as to say it, that is a lot from Clint. He usually is very hesitant to say anything that can be interpreted as critical. That being said, I would hesitate to take that comment as a criticism of Klinsmann...that doesn't fit with Clint's personality. I interpret it as Dempsey accepting Klinsmann's decision without a value judgement because a) it is Klinsmann's decision b) Dempsey can't do anything about it c) He had other, more important things to worry and focus on than something that he couldn't do anything about (also, that would be the galvanizing part for the rest of the team) d) I'm tired....I'll stop now.
I was just teasing bro!. I read You have to really try hard to interpret those as any kind of comments for or against. I wanted to make a you must be new around here joke because as you there are posters here that will defend JK's honor as of he was on their family emblem and you have insulted the family.
no worries for sure. I wasn't bothered at all...just curious more than anything. I know that my post may ahve seemed somewhat naive given some bs posts (from either side) but I was curious exactly what set it off.
To me, this controversy is a closed case. To some extent JK cut him out of animosity, and it was a terrible, selfish decision. And to some extent it was an arguably ok decision, to 5e extent JK cut him because he felt Landon was too big of an icon to come off the bench, that he’d be a distraction. Having LD on the bench would have all the attackers beside Jozy and Clint always looking over their shoulder, afraid to make a mistake and give the coach a reason to use LD as a crutch.
I was hoping there would be a cure but it looks like Klinsmann Derangement Syndrome is a lifetime disease.
To be fair, there are also folks with the inverse reaction. What’s ultimately going on is that a normal World Cup for us is to make it out of the group and then lose. So the fans, and detractors, of Bob, JK, and Gregg have to find ever more arcane ways to compare and contrast those R16 matches to support their particular narrative. The Ghana loss was the closest, but then, Belgium and Holland have bigger reputations so that’s a wash unless you want to get out a microscope to find a difference. Bradley did get screwed by two bad calls in only 3 matches; taking 2 good goals off the board in only 3 matches is hard to overcome but we did it. OTOH, we lost to Ghana because Bob Bradley started Clark instead of Edu, and my strong recollection is that the board panned that decision before Bradley had to yank Clark in the first half. Terrible choice by Bob. Oh well.
Or the 20 other stupid things LD did to challenge Klinsmann to cut. The best thing about the decision was it galvanized the team and possibly had the most unified team at any WC. The next best thing was getting watch LD handled like the immature prima dona he is. The nest best thing was seeing his fans turn into a deranged mob that in remind me of angry Swifties.
This is consistent with all low level discussions on here. The only other option to hating Klinsmann is apparently to idolize him. There are only a few who defend him and they usually do it when all the lying POS anti-JK buffoons go overboard. The guy wasn't great but wasn't awful.
Yeah but all of that goes by the wayside because certain things are either for and against and neither you or your pro JK people can seem to agree. If you guys can just say you know what droping Landon was not a good move maybe that would begin the healing. I'm not super pro Landon but clearly it was shown later that his talent was needed. So obviously all things aside maybe you should have kept a really talented player on your squad. I am not saying start him, I'm saying he could have been useful in this fight but the coach decided that he wasn't going to be useful for non soccer reasons and it turned out to be later proven that it was a wrong call cause that player could have been useful. It's that, it's arguing about the tie with Portugal and who was to blame for it. It's saying that despite giving up a world record number of shots on goal and the goalie standing on his head we somehow played competitive and pushed the other team
Don't forget the best part which was watching Wondo miss a sitter that the guy that wasn't needed who galvanized the team could have made in his sleep. Yeah that really showed the world!!
I dont care if you or any of the other clowns heal. It isnt my problem you can't discuss anything about it rationally. I was OK with cutting him at the time and have come to view it as one the best things Klinsmann did after telling the players to go to Europe and spoke the truth about MLS. The teams success is a soccer reason.