Has the title already been chosen? My 0.02$ - Episode 3: Fall of the Jedi And Chewbacca will be back. That's official. I hope to see Grand Moff Tarkin too. Ralph Fiennes would be the ideal actor for his part. Will we see the conception of the Skywalker twins? I hope Natalie Portman will be even hotter then. Exact 2 years and counting...
God I'm glad I'm a Matrix fan and don't care much for the Star Wars movies. 28 years to make 6 movies? Good god. I'll take my 6 months till Matrix: Revolutions. Neo would so whip Skywalker's ass anyways.
And yet Matrix fans would have to wait light-years to achieve what Star wars has done in terms of mythology and pop culture. I find this rivalry from Matrix fans against SW ridiculous. I would define it as jealousy. But Matrix, LOTR and Star Wars are all good movies and I don't know why would one not supposed to be fan of all the series at the same time. From my part I will not feed this rivalry here.
Not to thread-jack this, but you haven't seen Reloaded yet, have you? The original Matrix stood alone as a good popcorn flick, but the W Brothers did an excellent job (which none of us realized at the time) setting us up for the bombshell second movie. I like Star Wars (I own I and II on DVD, and am waiting patiently for IV, V, and VI), but it's just a fun space opera. The Matrix is far more than that. Reloaded made a fanboy out of me. In the final analysis, Star Wars may have a wider appeal, but that's because it's not great scifi - it's great space opera (and so-so scifi). The Matrix is great scifi. Truly great scifi often suffers from a lack of mass appeal (the why of which I cannot say). The Portman sex scene - which has to at least be implied - will likely be tame as hell. Which is a shame. Nothin' like Natalie Portman and hot grits!
i love the orginal star wars..... i grew up watching them over and over. but episodes I and II sucked bad. episode I sucking really, really, really bad. i'll go and pay my nine bucks to watch episode III when it comes out, but chances are it's going to suck as well. (though if Lucas gets somebody else to write the script and direct episode III, it might be decent). Saw Matrix Reloaded this weekend and it was good. better than episode's I and II combined. but that doesn't really say much.
I nominate this as the Best Post of May. I couldn't have said it better, except I didn't pay to see Ep 2 and I won't pay to see Ep 3 either.
This thread is supposed to be for SW fans only. If you want to bash SW you go create your own thread for it, please. Thanks.
> And yet Matrix fans would have to wait light- > years to achieve what Star wars has done in > terms of mythology and pop culture. Wating light-years? Is that anything like finishing the Kessel run in under 5 parsecs? Star Wars is nothing but a shallow Cliff Notes version of Joseph Campbell.
This thread is for whomever wants to discuss SW and it's massive decline. You brought up Ep 3 and people are responding appropriately. If you don't like it then toughen up. Not everyone is thrilled that an Ep 3 is being made. Lucas had the vision back then, he sorely lacks it now.
I've started this thread with the objective of gathering only REAL Starwars fans to post news, discuss them and share expectations for the next chapter of the saga. That's what I wanted to state. I for example don't go to the Harry Potter appreciation threads to flame it or its fans no matter how much I think Harry Potter sucks ass. If there are those who want to come here to troll and flame SW, fine. But don't count with me if you want to argue why SW sucks or the recent episodes haven't kept the spirit of the saga, because I won't do it. I've learned that's useless to try convincing people otherwise, because they simply don't want to. I don't give a rat's ass why do people feel so obsessed in bashing SW and flaming its fans. What only matters to me is that I like it and I'm satisfied with it. Thats why I won't reply anymore bashings.
So only REAL Star Wars fans liked Ep 1 and 2? I was a REAL Star Wars fan the day I saw the first movie in 1978 to the day Ep 1 was released. I read numerous comic books and novels surrounding the Star Wars legacy and have been severly disappointed with the material since then. I for one am not looking forward to Ep 3 unless Lucas doesn't lay a hand on it. This thread is for the discussion of Ep 3 and Star Wars, don't expect everyone to have a high opinion. We're not flaming it, we're merely pointing out the fatal flaws in the recent episodes and how it seems to be the same for Ep 3. We're Star Wars fans too, we just don't buy into it the way we used to.
It amuses me anytime someone uses light-years as a measure of time. And count me in with the "enjoyed Episodes IV thru VI but haven't gotten down with I and II" crowd.
After what I paid to see the crap that was Episode 1 & 2, I'll wait to see Episode 3 at the cheap theater. I lived 4 and 5 and I still read the books that have Luke, Leia, Han, etc. and some of the comics too. But George just lost it with 1 and 2.
Exactly how I felt..... and even if Episode III is the worst than I & II, I will still lobby for Episode 7, 8, & 9....
Well, I consider myself a REAL Star Wars fan, and I concur with everyone who's said that the original trilogy is great and that Episodes I and II were sub-par. Lucas has gotten so caught up in controlling the whole franchise that he isn't willing face the reality that he writes crappy, clunky dialogue and that he takes accomplished actors and provides them with no coherent direction, so they come off emotionless and wooden on screen. C'mon, admit it -- Episodes I and II are so full of inane and cliche dialogue. How many times do we have to hear, "I've got a bad feeling about this," or "Patience, my young Padawan."? How many times do we have to hear Yoda cheesily speak so that he ends every sentence with the subject instead of the object? What made the original trilogy good is that George hadn't lost the notion that the characters of his stories aren't just characters -- they're people. Explosions and great special effects can carry you only so far. You need a good story with interesting people behind the plot to convey a great film. If you want to see movie epics with a great story and interesting characters who are portrayed as people, go see the Fellowship of the Ring and the Two Towers. All that being said, I hope that George regains his movie-making senses and gives us a great film with Episode III. The potential is there. He just needs to pull his head out of his ass.
Of course episodes 1 and 2 and probably 3 are not as good as the original 3. Prequals have the disadvantage of the fact that fans know how things turn out, there are no huge surprises. Lucas should have made episodes 7,8,9 instead. I'm not as down on these prequals as others because I didn't get my hopes up that they would be as good as the originals. One problem is lucas has fallen in love with digital special effects and has not concentrated on the story or characters.
When the hell is EpIII supposed to open anyway? I've been setting my clock the past 2 years by LOTR, and now the Matrix...
If Rick McCallum is the producer, that's a bad sign. But not surprising. He's the ultimate 'This is about George's vision" toadie. I htought two was middling. Diddn't think much of Episode one. What I thought at least the second film was most missing was a sense of time. If you think of the best scenes from IV-VI, many of them rely on a strong sense of time that allows the suspense to develop. The trash compactor scene most notably -- think about how long it takes to develop.If it had been in episode ii, they would have instantly shut the compactor off and then small robots would hae come in and shot lasers at them. No sense of time. The plots are too linear with everything fueling the move from point A to point B, characters exist simply to explain the story,
As a Star Wars fan you have to be extremely disappointed in Ep I and II. Everything in YanksFC's post is spot on. I don't hold much hope if Lucas directs it again. Ep I was in my view one of if not the biggest disappointment in movie history. The man had 20 years to write the script and came up with tripe. While Ep II is much better we still get such gems of dialogue as "to the forward command center take me". Was Yoda speaking a type of romance language? All in all Lucas has to steal a term from Tom Wolfe's the right Stuff, screwed the pooch.