Official Copa Libertadores Thread: CF America [R]

i actually thought this was a great plan which was executed well from tena

rested a lot of key players, got a tie and wasn't scored on at home. they should play well against chivas, and should play well against santos in brazil, who i assume will open up more. as someone else said, if caracas could put two past them, i'm sure america can as well, and it will be easier when there won't be 8 players in the box.

 

Yeah this all looks like a MAGNIFICENT gameplan now!

Yeah just wait until next wednesday when America gets eliminated by chivas again and THEN they will want to go with all they have for Libertadores IN BRASIL and guess what??? Its not gonna happen and they are going to think back to last nights' game and wonder WHY they WASTED an ENTIRE 90 mins. with more than 80,000 fans and the altitude!!!!

 

Ay SI !!! que Bonito, Un abrazo y FELICIDADES por ese GRAN empate que conseguiste en casa! NOMBRE fue una HAZAÑA que pronto estare en Hazaña el deporte ViVe, ya hasta me imagino el titulo : "El America empata a ceros contra brasil en casa, en una gran Hazaña"

Ah en cuanto a lo que dice mi querido AZRIEL, no se si estes enterado pero an echo estudios de lo que corre un jugador en total durante un partido completo y esto es de un partido de la CHAMPIONS !!!! el nivel MAS ALTO que hay en el mundo.

Los estudios dicen que son un promedio de 5 millas por partido entero! Ahora tu dices que NO SE PUEDEN jugar dos partidos consecutivos? no pueden estos profecionales correr 10 MILLAS en dos dias??? pues entonces de que estan echos ???

AH y ahora en Mexico son POCOS los que hacen este desgaste, por lo regular jugadores como Guardado, Cabañas, Castro, Bravo, Medina si corren esas distancias por partido pero LA mAYORIA corren un total de unas 2.5 a 3 millas por partido !!!! NO es cosa del otro mundo para el America y sus jugadores poder jugar 2 o hasta 3 partidos en 5 dias aun y sean 2 consecutivos y aparte podiendo substituir jugadroes y teniendo un cuadro tan grande como el del America.

Yo eh corrido SIN PARAR con subidas y bajadas 26.2 millas en 5 Horas y no me paso NADA! ni me voy a morir por volverlo a hacer~! Y yo no soy ningun atleta profesional ni tampoco tenia una multitud de 80,000 gentes alentandome! Eso todavia hasta te da una energia extra y te da una adrenalida que nisiquiera hace que te sientas cansado, No me vengas con COSITAS a querer justificar a estos monitos como lo hace la prensa y casi todo el mundo en Mexico !!!! Parecen señooritas y no HOMBRES que es lo que deven de demostrar!!

Alguna vez has visto lo fuerte que se trabaja en la construccion? o la pisca ? esos hombres trabajan DURISIMO de mañana a Tarde con el SOL de frente y lo hacen TODOS los dias sin quejarse y ahora sesulta que estos MONITOS DEL AMERICA no se quieren gastar o reventar las medias por jugar dos partidos consecutivos??? POR FAVOR pinche verguenza futbolistica deberican de tener los cabrones, hijos de la chingada!!!

y no estoy TROLLING! no LO DIGO por que sean AMERICANISTAS lo digo EN GENERAL, ASI fuera el mismo MORELIA TAMBIEN LO DIRIA !!!!!!

 

ahi te van $.75; ve, agarra un telefono y hablare a alguien que le importe.

 

There was nothing wrong with the gameplan for once. The biggest obstacle was to not allow a goal and that was acheived with ease. This is a Libertadores cup, not a one and done setup. America knows the rules and know that a tie down in brazil is managable and will advance them. Aside form Ochoa, some of the starters in last nights game dont even get near the bench for regular games. Whens the last time anyone saw Pena in an america shirt? Its elimination time, now is when teams need to stay calm and play for results. The scoreless tie wednesday is a very managable result.

 

quien tiene la culpa de esto? Los Pinches Directivos!! si no existiera el Interliga.... no mamen y todavia la SuperLiga! hahaha

 

Bola de pendejetez con tal de sacar mas baros


"Como no te voy a querer mi America "

 

well see this we buy cuz they put it on the counter. i would go see play america. pero estos torneos lo s sacan para ganar dinero los directivos!

 

The best thing we can do as fans is NOT attend any of this crap Interliga games!!! I mean if they are being televised what is the need to go pay unecessary money that in the end HURTS the league and players.

I will stop talking about the "EXCUSES" they make as to being tired, regardless of how many games they play I still hold my statement HIGH that this is more a MEDIA fabricated issue than the players themselves being tired. They chose this profession, they are prefesionals, they have been doign it since they were little ( 6 - 10 yrs old ) this is not the time for excuses.

Asi sean 50 juegos que se hayan jugado JAMAS se comparara a Europa, aya si se corre y se gastan los jugadores no como en Mexico que cuando quieren corren y cuando no hay se la llevan trotando, apoco corrieron mucho Anoche los dos chivas y america? POR FAVOR ! eso no fue nada en comparasion al otro partido que estaban jugando simultaneamente Boca Y LIbertad de paraguya, ahi SI se estaba corriendo CON TODO no como el clasico que es mas HYPE que nada

Yo no digo que no se cansen, el jugar es cansado y los viajes que tienen que hacer tambien pero no me gusta cuando las televisoras empiezan a justificar y EXAGERAR algo que no LO es. Cuando va aprender la gente a no dejarse llevar tanto por lo que la television les dice??? You dont think FOOTBALL players PLAY with PAIN every sunday?? of course they do!!! but you know what there's no excuses IT IS WHAT IT IS !!! deal with it and shut da F%^ UP!!! ( and Im refering mainly to the media ) Players havent even said anything in regards to being tired.

 

y aqui quien esta diciendo eso?

no mas estamos dejando claro que es cabron jugar 2 juegos en dos dias!

el preparador fisico se merece mucho merito!

y porque quieren siempre compara a mexico con europa? y lo digo en diferencias y igualdades!

el Futbol de Mexico es de mexico solamente!

 

siempre lo he dicho...los directivos hacen las cosas con las nalgas...

 

Wow what a breakthrough you guys have made, directivos make decisions based of profit

 

Interliga and Superliga need to ********ing go.

I personally will NOT be going to any of those games!!!

******** SUM they control our national team and now our club teams (mainly because they want to help the MLS grow).

 

Exactly. I'd like to see Manchester United and Chelsea play the FA Cup final in Chiapas at 3pm and see how much of that famous tempo they can display.

Travel distance matters too. It's over a 4000 mile trip from Guadalajara or DF to Buenos Aires. English-French-German-Dutch-Spanish-Italian clubs don't even travel a quarter of that when they have to play each other. Then you multiply that for the round trip and the difference is even bigger.

That has a big impact over the course of a congested schedule.

 

This one is almost comic, seriously did you EVEN bother to watch the Boca/Libertad game? I didnt think so, i happened to be going back and forth between that game and the clasico and it was like watching slow motion versus regular play but im not going to go deeper into that, i will just be wasting my time when you only like what you know about!

The Mexican league may be played at a faster tempo than that of Costa Rica, El salvador, Honduras but really they are just evenly played with those of Colombia, Chile and Ecuador but I watch every sunday both games from la liga de mexico and brasilian and Argentina league games and they play much tougher, faster and it is quite different. I have YET to hear one foreigner conocedor de futbol say anything about the Mexican league being a faster tempo. Ocassionally or i should say RARELY do you see a game like that Chivas vs America ( 3-3 ) at azteca a few years back, or Pachuca vs CHivas, or that Atlas vs America but really and with all honesty they are VERY RARE!
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As i said this in a previous post if this was MORELIA themselves playing two games in 2 days and saying they were too tired i would say the same exact things I am saying here in regard to the America players, call it throlling, call it what you want, This is a forum to express your opinions fairly and Im letting mine be heard como dije antes LE PESE A QUIEN LE PESE!

You dont think i know people who work 2 jobs and then go and play for one amateur team on saturday and then wake up the next day on sunday and go play another league? and trust me ive seen them hurt, bleeding from what cleats can do but theyre back at work on monday and playing again on saturday and sunday, and then you have these profesionals who have all the training,ALL the care in the world under top facilities and with personal nutritionists and honestly the LAST thing i wanna hear is an excuse about them being tired or NOT been able to play 2 games in consecutive days. They are being asked to do this ONCE in their lifetime NOT every week.

And you say they go through body tackles, kicks, and all that extra stuff but still I AM NOT impressed! Most are touchie feely fouls that they over react on almost every damn play. I have an amazing uncle named Fernando who i have great respect for and he does construction for a livng, Roofin to be exact and he has NOT missed a day of work for the last 12 years, six days a week from 5 AM to 6 PM sometimes longer than that with the heat in his face all day and having to work on high buildings and most likely risking his life MOST of the time and NOT ONCE have I heard the man complain about being TIRED or fatigued or not wanting to go to work. And then you have these professionals being asked to play 2 consecutive games most likely in their lifetime and the media starts treating them like poor fatigued babies? Por favor that is one thing that irritates me and gets me really HOT !!!

I can take ANYTHING, from any subject or discussion here such as the one we had a while back regarding that Morelia vs America semifinal from 1988 and other debates and im fine discussing. ill give you your place and accept that you are going to stand for what you believe just like im going to stand for my beliefs BUT for you to try to excuse some FUTBOL player acting like a SEÑORITA! and then try to call me a TROLL for voicing my opinion when I see people busting their ass working onthe fields on my way to work EVERYDAY and have family members who BUST their ********ken ass and brake their fukcen back is something i wiLL not TOLERATE and I will not EXCUSE!!!!! YOu can go ahead and excuse them ALL you want BUT NOT ME!

 

One of the things not mentioned in the conversation of how many games are being played and the comparison against say the European leagues is that they don't play liguilla's. They therefore have mid week to play the European Cups and the weekends to play league games. I am surprised that FIFA still would allow a team to play a game on consecutive nights. I believe there was a situation a couple of years ago where a Colombian team had both a Libertadores and liguilla game on the same night. As long as we have liguilla's, we are going to have situations where teams could be playing 4 games in 8 days. I am not necessarily saying get rid of the playoff system, but it does contribute to the scheduling challenges that leagues with the playoffs enounter.

One more thought on the Libertadores in general is that it would be nice for it to run parallel with the Champions League so that it runs over a course of 9 months instead of 6. This would alleviate some of the scheduling problems that teams are enountering. Unfortunately, in order to do so, FIFA would (in my opinion) have to get rid of the Winter transfer window. It's not fair for a team to lose half the team in transfers in the middle of a tournament. Or if they do sign them, they can't play until June or until after their current team is eliminated from the tournament.

 

Ditto el pedo aqui es que no tiene la culpa el indio si no el que lo hace compadre...........

 

You know why I like having LMvCP around?

He can match essay for essay any numbnut that wants to debate about America.

He floods the other guys with a whole bunch of facts. Then the other guy usually falls under one of the following categories.

- the guy keeps arguing even if he has no real basis for his ideas and just digs himself into a bigger hole.
- the guys falls victim of boredom after reading the long posts that he just simply gives up.
- Or if the guy is beating LMvCP in the debate, LMvCP brilliantly skews the argument in his favor and they both end up debating something that is totally irrelevant to the original discussion.

At this point I'm thinking Puromorelia is in category 1.

Now do us all a favor Puro and quit.

Because you have got LMvCP started and we all know that

Resistance is futile at this point in time.


This post was brought to you by fellow members who do not want a long winded argument that leads to all of us telling both of you to STFU.

Thank you

 

The fact that my favorite team is Morelia does not mean that is all I know about and that is the only thing i am allowed to discuss or talk about, what makes you so special that you seem to think you are the only one who is allowed to discuss America issues? Do you happen to reign this forum or thread just because you are a supporter of America? NOONE else can come in here and state an opinion? These are PUBLIC boards and I as a MEXICAN can go into any forum I please as long as I am NOT directly insulting ANYONE can talk about any freakin team i please and ANY regarding issue I please to talk about just like you can go into the Morelia forum and voice your opinions whenever you please.

Am i going to be banned from coming into the America forum just because MR LMVCP does not agree with what I have to say in the forum? If it bothers you so much and the best thing you can come out with is accusing people of trolling why dont you just make an EXCLUSIVE " Lmvcp America" thread where EVERYONE can agree with your thoughts and solute you and look up to you and idolize you and we will leave you alone with your thoughts and the rest of your followers!!!

Haaa HAAa you accuse me of trolling? you sound like one of those 6 year old kids throwin a fit over some candy bar or something.

Before you acuse me of being a troll check yourself first ! I still remember some of the STUPIDEST threads ive ever seen on these boards such as " I HOPE MEXICO LOSES ALL GAMES IN THE WORLD CUP " Does that ring a bell???