Official Charlie Davies News/Updates Thread 3.0

Discussion in 'Yanks Abroad' started by Illusionbox, Aug 23, 2007.

  1. sidefootsitter

    sidefootsitter Member+

    Oct 14, 2004
    There are more jobs and the league levels in Europe and the big plus is that these leagues/tier are interconnected to a greater degree than MLS and USL.

    So, you can start in a 3rd Division, if you're not good enough for the 2nd, adjust, improve and then go up.

    The US system seems a lot more disjointed and haphazard.
     
  2. Hagbard Celine

    Oct 7, 2003
    Simsbury, CT
    Plus, you're most likely making a lot more money doing it in Europe.
     
  3. FCmagic01

    FCmagic01 Member

    Nov 10, 2006
    Go Charlie!!!
     
  4. russ

    russ Member+

    Feb 26, 1999
    Canton,NY
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Right,but I would reckon a lot of college players could play at those levels.

    And Charlie isn't starting at that level.
     
  5. freisland

    freisland Member+

    Jan 31, 2001

    No, that's not what I am saying. What I am saying is that in the past MLS could entice players to take their busboy wages by providing a very high likelyhood of getting PT. As there is more competition for MLS playing time, that piece of the equation becomes less important. Do you forgo 400 k in Holland or 200 k in Belgium if you have the same chance of sitting in either league? It's not quite equal yet. You still have a better chance of getting MLS playing time than Ered, but it will continue to get tighter.
     
  6. russ

    russ Member+

    Feb 26, 1999
    Canton,NY
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You're right,of course-it's just the concept of some "guarantee" of PT at any level that makes my skin crawl.
     
  7. mschofield

    mschofield Member+

    May 16, 2000
    Berlin
    Club:
    Union Berlin
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    more to the point with MLS, do you forgo 60k a year to play reserves or with a small club in northern europe to rake in $16k a year for a similar situ in MLS, even if you are going to play. Not whinging about MLS, they have a model and it is working. But the footie market is global, and you really, really can't blame anyone for taking the path of living wage.
     
  8. sidefootsitter

    sidefootsitter Member+

    Oct 14, 2004
    Yes but that's precisely the beauty of those leagues ... playing in reserves for a Bundesliga II squad is like a 4th level but, if you get noticed and promoted, then you're up two levels within a year.

    The key there is hard work, ahleticism and aptitude.

    BTW, I was watching the GB Packers head coach Mike McCarthy's interview a couple of days ago (Mike's a smart guy, has a master's degree, top pedigree as an offensive coordinator with the Saints) and someone asked him about the talent on the team and he said, "We're not in the talent business. We're in a character business. After all, what is talent? Is that a 40-yard dash time? Well, we know that it's not that. It's character. It's how you apply yourself."

    And I immediately thought that that many a personnel director/general manager would quibble with that statement ... but the more I think about it, especially in light of Charlie's season in Sweden, the more I think that Mike has made a very good point.

    Hammarby is roughly on the TSV 1860 level (a competitive squad in Sweden's top league has to be close to the top squad in Bundesliga II) and Josh Wolff had to fight for time there last season.

    And Josh is a 30 year old, who has some 50 caps for the US.

    College-to-the-Euros is not an easy transition to make, especially at a creative position.
     
  9. Lorelaei

    Lorelaei New Member

    Aug 22, 2007
    Stockholm
    Yeah, it's not something to get really excited about, I guess. But I've got to say that it was nice reading about the goal (they played up in Gävle so I haven't seen it), that he scored with a "distinct finish" as hammarbyfotboll.se puts it. Since that's been a big problem for him, it feels good knowing that maybe he's improving.
     
  10. mschofield

    mschofield Member+

    May 16, 2000
    Berlin
    Club:
    Union Berlin
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    I'd think it's much better to score in reserve matches than not score in reserve matches.
     
  11. sidefootsitter

    sidefootsitter Member+

    Oct 14, 2004
    Unless you're scoring drugs or into an own goal, I think its pretty much always better to score than not to score.
     
  12. freisland

    freisland Member+

    Jan 31, 2001
    Sure, but the reality was, in MLS for many years, the rosters were thin enough at 9 to 14 that a young player with decent chops could pretty much figure on getting PT rather quickly. Every roster had a few very replaceable players. And if a kid had USMNT hopes it was a fairly decent argument that playing in MLS was better than fighting to get time in the B1. As team depth grows those "walk into spots" are getting fewer and farther between. And I'd guess players are going to be less likely to accept lower wages if they might have to play a season of mostly reserve ball in either place.
     
  13. sidefootsitter

    sidefootsitter Member+

    Oct 14, 2004
    MLS is experiencing a double squeeze for roster spots - one the one hand, it keeps importing better and better foreign players; on the other, both the quantity and the quality of the American kids has gone up too.

    Add to that the fact that long-time fer'ners get green cards and no longer count against the non-US player limits and breaking into starting rotations becomes pretty hard.

    Unless you're Galaxy, that is, and have traded most of your quality away.
     
  14. Bruce S

    Bruce S Member+

    Sep 10, 1999
    Alexi Lalas is to general managers what Alexi Lalas was to soccer players!
     
  15. Obese

    Obese New Member

    May 9, 2007
    Solna, Sweden
    Club:
    Hammarby IF
    Nat'l Team:
    Sweden
    Well the reason why CD played with the reserves right now is just to get playing time while the league is on hold I guess. This due to European Championship qualifications this last week.

    New game tomorrow at 4 p.m. CET.

    With wishes of a nice weekend to all readers!

    //O.
     
  16. zeusbrowne

    zeusbrowne New Member

    Dec 12, 2006
    West Orange, NJ
    Ummmm ...

    I meant to put the over/under at 175

    Really

    No, really.:p
     
  17. Hed7181

    Hed7181 Member

    Jul 1, 2003
    VA Beach, VA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Thanks, Obese

    Hammarby v Gefle is listed as 'maybe' right now on myp2p.eu for p2p coverage. The game starts at 10:00 EST. Lets cross our fingers.
     
  18. Darius.Hammarby

    Darius.Hammarby New Member

    Dec 30, 2006
    Stockholm
  19. Missionary

    Missionary Member

    Jul 13, 2003
    Mission Viejo
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  20. Darius.Hammarby

    Darius.Hammarby New Member

    Dec 30, 2006
    Stockholm
    CD played last 10min, did it very well if you can do it in 10 min
    Forzza CD:D

    Paholino is out next game after he show hes jesus t-shirt after scoring, CD should start next game.
     
  21. HeMan

    HeMan Member

    Jun 5, 2006
    Earth
    Davies should come back to MLS and try to salvage his career while he still can. Along with Nguyen & Hill.
     
  22. DaPrince84

    DaPrince84 Member+

    Aug 22, 2001
    MD
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    because all of their careers are over :rolleyes:
     
  23. Darius.Hammarby

    Darius.Hammarby New Member

    Dec 30, 2006
    Stockholm
    MLS is nothing if you want to play in Euro, even the moldavian leuge is higher class than MLS :D
     
  24. TimB4Last

    TimB4Last Member+

    May 5, 2006
    Dystopia
    10 minutes or 10 seconds, we know CD can perform well - he's a young guy, after all - but did he score?

    If CD does start the next game, should he dedicate his performance to Jesus? Or would that result in a 3-game suspension?
     
  25. Darius.Hammarby

    Darius.Hammarby New Member

    Dec 30, 2006
    Stockholm

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