Might as well put it all here, because this is what the choice was for Bradley. Andy Williams or Amado Guevara. And don't give me any of that bulljive that he could've kept both, because you know and I know it was one or the other. Williams option for 2003 was for $140k, which is right where Amado is getting paid against the cap. To get Guevara, you had to ditch Williams. So, do battle here.
Is this just because Williams had a good week this week while Amado was watching his national team beat up T&T and grousing about pay, or because anyone actually thinks Williams is better?
Re: Re: Official Amado vs. Andy Thread Andy Williams will have more than one good week this season--especially if he clicks with Razov. He's a pretty good player, after all. If he wasn't, there wouldn't have been so much noise around here when he was cut from the squad. Still, based on the limited amount of time we've had to see Armado in a Metro uniform, II'm happy with the way things worked out. C in SJ
Amado has played ONE game with the Metro! How are we suppose to make an intelligent decision after one game? True, he looked good following the LA game, but let's wait to see what he looks like after 5 or 6 games.
I have never seen Amando play before his first game as a Metrostars I wonder if Vistulo actially seen this player before his first game as a Metrostar? You can see a player in one game and make a pretty good judgement about him if you have been doing that for a while. Actually in some cases you can judge a player in the first 15 minutes of watching him play, and make a fairly good judgement on him if you have done this before. You can't make a judgement whether he is better then someone else if you never have seen him play before. How many other foreign allocations that we got that weren't that good. In Amando we got a pretty good player, and again he is pretty hard to dispossess when he has the ball that is a big plus. Our new guy Clark is another big plus for us. Can we use a few more? Sure maybe those two Argentines. Maybe, we won't need that other foreign allocation that we are entitled to, but it has been my experience that you can never have enough good players on your team. For me that means if I had any way I could have kept Wlliams on the team I would have kept him on the team. I would not even compare him to Armando who cares who is better. I would have wanted them both and anyone else that could play for that matter. Somethings evidently are not possible. The idea is to win a championship, and play well while doing it.
i guess this will be the only time during the season when this thread is somewhat respectable...i loved andy for us last year, i think he's a talented player, but i don't think twice taking guevara over andy
After the first 10 games this looks to be a wash. It's certainly not a case of a "MLS MVP caliber player" blowing Williams out of the water. Williams is holding his own in this comparison.
--------------------- Guevaro only gets 140 G's? He is underpaid working for chump change, and can make more selling space in the yellow pages. That is an actual fact. On having both of these players sure we could have had both. Pay Williams 25 thou and also make him a player/coach/ Pay him the difference as a coach. Do we have a salary cap on the coaches? ----------- Should do that for any player we want. Say we want Tony Lo Bianco. Wait he was the actor in the french connection my mistake incidently, who really stole the french connection smack out of the police lock up? ----------- Say we want Zadane give him 25,000 to play. Then make him also an assistant coach and give him 15,000,000 million to coach See how it could work. ------------------ Amado is the man, but I was hoping for and we need some goals by him and by Clark in the flow of play to do well in the short term. Clark needs to start doing that if he is going to play for our National team with Adu in Germany in 2006. Richie
Guevara may be the man in some people's minds but Mathis is the best forward AND the best midfielder on this team. Unfortunately he can only play one position at a time.
I assume you're basing this on stats alone, since Williams wasn't even starting the last two or three games for Chicago and only re-entered the lineup on Saturday when Armas and Beasley reported to Nats. From what I can see, Amado is never going to be benched.
Please post again when you've watched a game. I think both players are great, that Guevara will begin to take more charge as the season goes on, and his goal yesterday will get him going. WIlliams makes some spectacular plays and has great vision. unfortunately, I didn't wanted to be reminded of that after I schelped out to Jersey to watch Metro play in a monsoon.
So far, Guevara has assisted on three of Mathis' five goals. And on Mathis' pk vs. Columbus, it was Guevara who drew the foul. So, Clint can thank Amado for four of his five goals. I have a feeling Amado is probably the man in Clint's mind.
Is too bad we could not have kept Williams and put him at Right Mid and not taken Jaime "the waste" Moreno and his big salary. Maybe we could have had Geuvara and Williams at midfield together. Williams sure does attack the box well.
Hmmm. Seems to me that anyone watching Saturday's game would be hard-pressed to come out on the Amado side of this debate, but I wonder if that's really the point here. Guevara assisted the first goal with a nice far-post cross and he did convert the PK. It would be nice to have both, though I think Clarke is going to be one helluva good midfielder in afew years. To me, its so very clear that the defense is night-and-day different without Pope: a) Jolley simply cannot fill Pope's shoes - and with Pope gone through July, this gaping hole needs stopping up, and quick! b) Arena is learning but he's young. (ditto 2/3 of the team) c) Grafer, despite a nice reflex save, is way too slow off his line. Up front, Clint and Amado have been terrific together, but Magee can't fill Clint's shoes in this nice tag-team.
My son was at the Metro game with me this Saturday. He had played a few games against Grafer in the past. He said for a big keeper he plays very small.
Amado Guevara. Let's be serious. He's so much more well-rounded. Don't be blinded because Andy has one fine match against the Metros. We should be talking about who would you like for the next few years. It's Guevara, hands down.
I am embarassed that some people actually are willing to mention Williams in the same breadth as Gueverra. Amado makes the whole team play better, he is like having a twelfth man on the pitch with his vision, touch and defensive determination. I can't wait to see Clark and Gueverra grow and mature together, having two, two-way players on the pitch at once will be amazing. Williams can dribble like a trained seal and will have some good matches, but minute for minute, pound for pound, its Gueverra who plays better, and its not just about statistics. Anyone who watched the NBA Finals knows that Tim Duncan brings more to the team then a double double every game. Same with Gueverra.
I don't get it. When I post the Williams/Guevara comparison looks to be a wash so far, and I meant they're both doing well for their teams, you tell me to look beyond the numbers but you try to use numbers to explain how Mathis and Guevara are playing well together. They are but not to the extent you say they are. Let's look behind those numbers you mention (three assists and an earned pk by Guevara). Every Metro fan who actually bothers to watch the games knows there's been one pass this year from Guevara that led to a Mathis goal. That was against DCU and it was a beautiful one-two with Lisi then over the top to Mathis. The other two "assists" by Guevara on Mathis goals are fine examples of Mathis making something out of nothing. One was Guevara teeing the ball up on an indirect free kick which Mathis put through a sea of Colorado bodies to score. The other "assist" consisted of Guevara passing to Lisi who one touched the ball to Mathis. Mathis was faced by two Rapid defenders, took a couple of touches to get them moving and put the ball through Fraser's legs and into the net. On the PK, Mathis made a great through pass to Guevara, Guevara couldn't finish and was tackled from behind in the box by Busch in the ensuing scramble for the ball. Guevara and Williams are playing well so far, this season, they're both very good players, but, in my opinion, Mathis is a better midfielder than both of them.
Way to miss the point. Maybe you can be a law clerk for Mark Geragos next summer and pick up a few more tips.
Let's just hope the PK boosts Amado's confidence finishing -- if Guevara scored on as many of Clint's passes as Clint scored on his, he'd have five goals by now.