Official 2022+ Samurai Blue thread

Discussion in 'Japan' started by Samurai Warrior, Jan 7, 2022.

  1. BIHfan

    BIHfan Member+

    Borussia Dortmund
    Bosnia and Herzegovina
    Oct 13, 2020
    There were a couple of times where they should have reached the quarter-finals, most notably in 2010 with that infamous Komano penalty.
     
  2. NaohiroTakahara

    NaohiroTakahara Member+

    Nov 12, 2013
    Yeah thats true but a k.o stage game, can go in all direction. Japan can win or the other side.
     
  3. rougou

    rougou Member+

    Dec 7, 2003
    Hyogo
    Club:
    AS Roma
    #2403 rougou, Jun 12, 2024
    Last edited: Jun 12, 2024
    Japan 2-0 Belgium was the biggest chance. Especially since they took that lead in the 2nd half.
    After the Croatia debacle, I'll never feel comfortable with PKs.
     
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  4. Gordon1995

    Gordon1995 Member+

    Oct 3, 2013
    Japan needs to produce a GK who is good at saving penalties e.g Livakovic/Martinez, etc.
     
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  5. BIHfan

    BIHfan Member+

    Borussia Dortmund
    Bosnia and Herzegovina
    Oct 13, 2020
    Belgium was always going to be a much bigger pill to swallow than Paraguay, even after leading 2-0 for 75 minutes.
     
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  6. seolseol

    seolseol Member+

    Apr 26, 2003
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    What about scoring penalties?
     
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  7. Gordon1995

    Gordon1995 Member+

    Oct 3, 2013
    It is harder to find a GK who excels in penalties shootout rather than players who are good at scoring penalties imo.
    If Japan had Livakovic/Martinez, etc. there is a chance they might have progresses on QFs on 2022 WC.
     
  8. seolseol

    seolseol Member+

    Apr 26, 2003
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Kawashima was a good at penalties.
     
  9. Gordon1995

    Gordon1995 Member+

    Oct 3, 2013
    #2409 Gordon1995, Jun 13, 2024
    Last edited: Jun 13, 2024
    Was he the GK for the 2010 PK Shootout against Paraguay?
    I feel that the All Japan High School Tournament 2023 has at least 1 or 2 GKs that might have potential though. The tournament had quite a lotnof penalties.
     
  10. seolseol

    seolseol Member+

    Apr 26, 2003
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    He was. But generally. Saved alot of penalties in his JNT career, same in Ligue 1 etc.
     
  11. Gordon1995

    Gordon1995 Member+

    Oct 3, 2013
    Penalties in regular time and Penalties shootout are of slightly different nature imo, but get what you mean.
    GK of Tsukuba University (Ryusei Sato) which knocked out Machida Zelvia in PKs seems decent as well.
     
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  12. BIHfan

    BIHfan Member+

    Borussia Dortmund
    Bosnia and Herzegovina
    Oct 13, 2020
    That wasn't the problem at the last World Cup against Croatia, the problem was that every single penalty kick looked exactly the same and was easy to save, it's like they didn't practice penalties at all. Gonda, on the other hand, had an excellent tournament.
     
  13. teioh

    teioh Member+

    Apr 17, 2012
    In the first 2 matches he was atrocius conceding a pk to Germany and sleeping (with the defence) while Costa Rica had its only shoot..In the third match vs Spain he did nothing special. Against Croatia he sleep again (with the whole defence again) on Perisic head butt.
    In 2010 Eiji was decisive against Camerun with a vital save that give us 3 points and did nothing bad against Netherlands and Denmark (nearly saving Tomasson's inexistent pk).
    Eiji was just an unexpected Okada's discovery just a couple of weeks before the trip to South Africa.
    In all the other WCs JNT had mediocre GKs.except 1998 Kawaguchi.
    Anyway JNT need to score more, in pks and not, gk is just an addon.
     
  14. BIHfan

    BIHfan Member+

    Borussia Dortmund
    Bosnia and Herzegovina
    Oct 13, 2020
    Gonda was atrocious conceeding the penalty but he made up for it by making several tough and crucial saves during that Germany game, I strongly encourage you to go watch the highlights of that game again. Against Costa Rica, Morita was at fault for losing the ball carelessly which led to the goal. Against Spain, Gonda had a very good save late in the second half. Against Croatia, he saved a very good shot from Modric in the second half which many keepers would have let in.

    Nothing against Kawashima but Sneijder's goal in that Netherlands game at the 2010 World Cup was 1000% his fault so you can't say he did nothing bad and he could have done better on that penalty against Denmark.
     
  15. Dax

    Dax Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 29, 2012
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
    ???
    He literally saved it, what else could have he done? He's by fair the best PK stopper Japan ever had... (see asian cup vs south korea, or friendly vs england)
     
  16. BIHfan

    BIHfan Member+

    Borussia Dortmund
    Bosnia and Herzegovina
    Oct 13, 2020
    He could have saved it better to avoid the rebound. And while yes he's the best PK stopper Japan ever had, he still has had his clumsy moments over the years.
     
  17. seolseol

    seolseol Member+

    Apr 26, 2003
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    What do you expect?
     
  18. BIHfan

    BIHfan Member+

    Borussia Dortmund
    Bosnia and Herzegovina
    Oct 13, 2020


    Look at 3:05, he parries the ball right in front of him after saving basically inviting Tomasson to score.
     
  19. Dax

    Dax Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 29, 2012
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
    I think you don't realize how hard it is to save a PK...
     
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  20. BIHfan

    BIHfan Member+

    Borussia Dortmund
    Bosnia and Herzegovina
    Oct 13, 2020
    I was a keeper myself, I know how hard it is and I think Kawashima could have done better on that one but that's besides the point.
     
  21. teioh

    teioh Member+

    Apr 17, 2012
    03:49 Cruijff Turn + No-look pass... Pure class. I miss this player so much.
     
  22. seolseol

    seolseol Member+

    Apr 26, 2003
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Yeah thats not the point here.
    Kawashima was a good penalty saver and you choose one like that.
     
  23. NaohiroTakahara

    NaohiroTakahara Member+

    Nov 12, 2013
    Kawashima is a good GK with his moments up and down. But hes something like a legend. Love him. So much heart and passion.

    Never forget when Oliver Kahn at the WC 2010 said, that Kawashima reminds him of his younger himself cause he acts crazy and furious and that you need that as a good GK.
     
  24. seolseol

    seolseol Member+

    Apr 26, 2003
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Yes!! I forgot that, Kawashima was kind of non japanese with that kind of stuff, what a temprament. Pissed off. I loved that.
     
  25. BIHfan

    BIHfan Member+

    Borussia Dortmund
    Bosnia and Herzegovina
    Oct 13, 2020
    He's a great keeper, I never questioned that. Of course I would choose him over Gonda, Suzuki or Kawaguchi any given day. My point was rather that Gonda was very good at the last World Cup for the most part.
     

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